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Papist

Kingfisher
Trad Catholic
The difference in passion isn't based on the sport, it's based on the culture. Americans are absolutely fanatic about sports, but they express it differently, for example they glorify individual players, they binge watch a ton of games, they have major sports leagues with incredibly high salaries etc.

Here you have a clip of Panathinaikos women's volleyball (Panathinaikos is a Greek sports club for those who don't know). The atmosphere is crazy, especially if you imagine a whole stadium filled up with fans who are that passionate. I think they would be louder than most European soccer fans. But that's not because women's volleyball is a captivating sport, it's simply cause it's a cultural thing to just go crazy at Greek sports events.


Impressive atmosphere, but it doesn't compare with the sheer intensity and vitriol of the fitba:



Coming from Glasgow, I can tell you that it means an incredible amount to both teams. A goal is celebrated so intensely because of their relative scarcity. Things have changes slighlty, back in the day folk carried crates of beer in with them, and the terraces were open sewers (how classy, eh?), but it led to some major scenes:



Football inspires passion like no other sport on the world, and is why the World Cup is bigger than the Olympics and the Superbowl:


 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
I was surprised by how outplayed France was at some passages. Morocco lacked quality when it came to scoring actual goals. France did it simple. My prediction for Sunday:

Either they end up 1-1 and then go to penalty kicks or 1-0 France wins.
Yes, France early then last 10 minutes of the 1H Morocco had major chances, even that bicycle which was saved with the help of the post.

I say France 2-1 or 2-2 and OT, possibly PKs again.
 

lonewolf1968

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Impressive atmosphere, but it doesn't compare with the sheer intensity and vitriol of the fitba:



Coming from Glasgow, I can tell you that it means an incredible amount to both teams. A goal is celebrated so intensely because of their relative scarcity. Things have changes slighlty, back in the day folk carried crates of beer in with them, and the terraces were open sewers (how classy, eh?), but it led to some major scenes:



Football inspires passion like no other sport on the world, and is why the World Cup is bigger than the Olympics and the Superbowl:



The passion it inspires is so huge it becomes an idol/ritual for me and a lot of people and I'm aware it needs to be kept in check, specially when my local team plays. But for 90 minutes I forget about everything around me. It's a indulgence I allow for myself once a week but I often have to remind myself it is just a game.
 

BLMeToo

Robin
Catholic
Don't you train jiujitsu or is that another member? :squintlol:

When I hear people call soccer gay I think of the people who call jiujitsu gay.

It's hard to make the statements without actually participating. I played soccer for a few years and it can be physically demanding.

Yes, I'm a long-time jiujitsu practitioner. And I'll admit it looks extremely gay. But jiujitsu is far tougher and more masculine than soccer and the flopping. The whole point of (sport) jiujitsu is to choke out or break an opponent's limb. And you have to have a high level of mental toughness to defend against a choke without panicking, which a lot of people can't do. And now with the evolution of the heel hook game, you see more dangerous subs at high levels.

Soccer literally rewards players for pretending to be hurt. That's grade-A faggotry.
 

Caramasão

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
I think football is way more dangerous than jiu-jitsu or even other martial arts. In football you are hit at fast speed without being able to protect yourself, the risk of a serious injury is much higher.
 
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rodion

Robin
Orthodox
That's definitely an oversimplification. There are many really good white players in the NFL. As for the steroids, it's similar to rugby (which is dominated by white players), it is a sport that has minimum strength standards meaning that a player needs to be able to bench press, deadlift, squat etc. a certain amount of weight. That weight is usually very high. Pretty much every soccer player would hurt his back, if you asked him to deadlift 2x bodyweight, while in a sport like rugby or american football that would actually be a very low number. Even basketball players like Steph Curry can lift that weight.

Soccer players can basically get away with never training their bodies and just focusing exclusively on the skill. Another reason for the steroids is of course that they need pain killers due to all the hits they are taking. According to research NFL players will apparently experience the impact of about 18 car crashes game.

Well I was oversimplifying things deliberately in the same way many Americans are about soccer in this thread.

As for soccer players never training their bodies, that’s absurd. I don’t understand the attitude in this thread that soccer players basically aren’t athletes? Sure, they don’t have the same weight training regimen as NFL players, because that’s not conducive to running around continuously for 90 minutes, several times a week. But have you seen peak Cristiano Ronaldo? The man was elite, he’s just not stacked. There was a glorious time when players drank and smoked more, but that game has died in the modern era.

There is more room in the sport for less athletic players who have huge amounts of skill, but if you’re playing up two, sometimes three 90 minute games PER WEEK at the top level, you’re a top athlete. Being as big as an NFL player would be a hindrance in soccer, just as being built like a typical soccer player wouldn’t cut it in the NFL.


“The least comparable of any of the most important metrics is total distance. On average a Premier League player will cover between 9-11 km per game.

In the NFL, a wide receiver or corner back will run on average just over 2 km per game. However, that’s understandable when you consider that the average NFL game includes only 11 minutes of actual playing time”


Anyways, this is getting too off topic, I just want to weigh in on why some of the Europeans on here are getting a bit tetchy haha
 

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Yea, the sheer amount of resources we place into football is beyond astounding. It gobbles up most of our best athletes. The expense of equipment, stadiums, training, and then afterward surgeries, is astronomical. And then either most the world never sees it, or never understands how much in involved.
American football ended up requiring a lot of protective equipment because players don't tackle the rugby way. And then there are many specific rules like eligible receivers (i.e. which players on the offensive team are only allowed to catch the quarterback's forward pass). Rugby is more widespread simply because it's easier to be learned and doesn't require memorizing a playbook specifying running vs passing plays.

Also, on the audience side, the intermittent nature of American football (i.e. teams having to line up at the line of scrimmage everytime after the ball is down) combined with the absurd amount of commercials just wouldn't appeal to European viewers. At least with soccer, despite the difficulty of scoring a goal, its continuous play clock keeps audiences engaged in and not zoning out everytime there's a timeout.

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Off topic, but where on earth did the term caucasian for a white boy come from lol. Your average caucasian looks like this

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Guy on bottom pic is cool, he should start a forum or something.

Soccer players can basically get away with never training their bodies and just focusing exclusively on the skill. Another reason for the steroids is of course that they need pain killers due to all the hits they are taking. According to research NFL players will apparently experience the impact of about 18 car crashes game.
I wonder if rugby athletes have the same need for such treatment because of the constant collision and tackling. Ironically the existence of padding equipment might have made injuries worse because players think they can take more risks wearing a helmet and body armor.

As for soccer players never training their bodies, that’s absurd. I don’t understand the attitude in this thread that soccer players basically aren’t athletes? Sure, they don’t have the same weight training regimen as NFL players, because that’s not conducive to running around continuously for 90 minutes, several times a week. But have you seen peak Cristiano Ronaldo? The man was elite, he’s just not stacked. There was a glorious time when players drank and smoked more, but that game has died in the modern era.
It's not that fútbol players aren't fit, but rather the lack of incentive on the part of US players to choose the sport when there are 4 other sports in which they can use their arms and hands. Also if I'm just building a career around continuous running, I would choose something like track-and-field or cross-country or triathlon.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
American football ended up requiring a lot of protective equipment because players don't tackle the rugby way. And then there are many specific rules like eligible receivers (i.e. which players on the offensive team are only allowed to catch the quarterback's forward pass). Rugby is more widespread simply because it's easier to be learned and doesn't require memorizing a playbook specifying running vs passing plays.

Also, on the audience side, the intermittent nature of American football (i.e. teams having to line up at the line of scrimmage everytime after the ball is down) combined with the absurd amount of commercials just wouldn't appeal to European viewers. At least with soccer, despite the difficulty of scoring a goal, its continuous play clock keeps audiences engaged in and not zoning out everytime there's a timeout.

Yea, I remember when the 1994 World Cup was in the USA. I don't know anyone who watched it or cared, it was super unpopular in 1994. At least by now many people under 30 played when they were children and they know the rules. In 1994, probably less than 1% even knew the rules, or heck, even knew what a "World Cup" was. I watched all sorts of sports and memorized all sorts of statistics and never even heard of a "World Cup" in 1994.

Anyway, I do remember a big issue was how would they have commercials on TV when showing soccer games. There was discussions about making it pay per view, to collect enough revenue, but they realized no one would pay to watch it. I think they finally ended up doing little logo ads in the corner of the screen, maybe not and it was just a suggestion. But it was a big concern for the media outlets.

We now have a US soccer league, and they have somehow worked all this out now. But you are correct, we are used to having many commercial breaks in our sporting events. I still find myself waiting for a commercial break, while watching a World Cup game, so I can get up to do something. Whoops, I guess I have to wait another X amount of minutes until halftime.
 

BarrontheTigercat

Kingfisher
Other Christian
American football ended up requiring a lot of protective equipment because players don't tackle the rugby way. And then there are many specific rules like eligible receivers (i.e. which players on the offensive team are only allowed to catch the quarterback's forward pass). Rugby is more widespread simply because it's easier to be learned and doesn't require memorizing a playbook specifying running vs passing plays.

Also, on the audience side, the intermittent nature of American football (i.e. teams having to line up at the line of scrimmage everytime after the ball is down) combined with the absurd amount of commercials just wouldn't appeal to European viewers. At least with soccer, despite the difficulty of scoring a goal, its continuous play clock keeps audiences engaged in and not zoning out everytime there's a timeout.

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Guy on bottom pic is cool, he should start a forum or something.


I wonder if rugby athletes have the same need for such treatment because of the constant collision and tackling. Ironically the existence of padding equipment might have made injuries worse because players think they can take more risks wearing a helmet and body armor.


It's not that fútbol players aren't fit, but rather the lack of incentive on the part of US players to choose the sport when there are 4 other sports in which they can use their arms and hands. Also if I'm just building a career around continuous running, I would choose something like track-and-field or cross-country or triathlon.
other endurance sports don't pay $35 million contracts in the way European football does.

football players are very small and very fit with great speed endurance, leg power and core stability.
No need for arm or shoulder strength.
footballers are probably fitter than nearly every other team sport there is.
they run for miles at an almost sprint, get clattered in the same spot every tackle, never complain about fatigue, and they play 90 minute almost continuous running league matches every 3 or 4 days. play a looong season, they have a basically 4 week off season. Compare that to American football.. season starts in early autumn, for most its over by December/January.

I still prefer rugby though.
Alot of Samoans who grew up playing rugby go into the NFL. they say the hits are brutal but there's no real endurance component .
It's so drawn out, long wait periods and then little bits of stop start action.
NFL players, the Samoan Gridiron players say, couldn't handle producing big hits alongside the non stop running of rugby.
There was actually a Gladiators episode in the 90s putting a very impressive looking NFL player up against a rugby player.
The NFL guy just melted halfway through.
it was the triumph of endurance over the short sprints of the NFL.

of all the team sports NHL players are the only ones who could transfer across to rugby straight away as they have the endurance together with the ability to handle the hits.

with respect to Mr It is my time's arguments NFL players wouldn't last the game, for all the rooting tooting cowboy stories about them and the high production values montage-training videos, NFL players have never had to play through lactic acid and exhaustion in any meaningful game, let alone desperately sprinting non stop for 80 minutes solid. the tackle situation in rugby league means the defending team has to retreat backwards fast 10 yards and then immediately sprint forward to make a tackle with every play the ball, which is around every 5 to 10 seconds, non stop, in a very fast game.
People need to try that before dismissing it. Rugby League players are incredibly fit.

football players couldn't handle rugby because, whilst they can handle the running.. they've actually got the most stamina, they couldn't handle getting stamped on and getting hit in the ribs nonstop. NHL players could.

The big lugs in the NBA have got the lungs (despite only playing 40-something minute game over 2 and a half hours lol :) lol :) that's actually embarrassing) .... but whilst they're big and strong the minute they get part of their ear bitten off (happens) or, more normally, a thumb buried in their eyeball and have to get a dozen stitches in the white of their eyeball (happens) or see their team mate get carried off with massive blood loss or see players get knocked completely out and then revived and told to get on with it or get their scalp bitten into, or their head stamped on, or just find themselves repeatedly headbutted, clothes lined, elbowed and punched with no intervention, no sympathy from the referee and no late night news show on 9 about it later either, I seriously doubt their ability to adapt immediately.
Doubt they'd be able to handle it and go back for more.
For all of leBron James or Denis Rodmans showboating, give me a Brodie Retallick or a Bakkes Botha or a Marmuka Gorgodze (Christian from Georgia) any day.. going off for stitches after 16 boots stamping on them, coming back on, getting punched immediately and needing14 stitches above their eye, coming back on, getting punched again so that the stitches unzipper and going back off to get 10 stitches redone, coming back on and getting punched again in the same spot etc will put a bit of a dent in any GOAT's "freakish athletic abilities" in quick time.
Rugby players do a lot of wrestling training as part of their training.
Probably boxers, wrestlers and MMA fighters would be the best suited to transitioning to rugby with the contact and endurance requirements, although those aren't team sports.

Interestingly US Marines Corps officers have gone on record saying that Rugby is the best sport for their soldiers at military academies or in training not only because it harnesses team spirit, strategy, unit skills, but its the best team sport for simulating battle conditions: legs full of lactic acid, lungs burning, constant communication, crouching and running low, the physical equivalent of lugging ammunition boxes up muddy hills.
Certainly better preparation than wearing girly plastic face masks in the NBA and yelling at the referee for no good reason or alternately sitting on a bench and stopping it from suddenly flying up in the air in the NFL.

We know.. we know.. Americans are the best best thing ever - black people are just soooo amazing.. that's what American Carlin Isles was telling everyone when he transitioned to 15 a side rugby before he faced boggy pitches, his hamstrings raked and stamped on every game, morst crucially No Time-Outs and before he then sank completely without a trace.

If..
If..
If..
If the Americans had spent generations upon generations investing all that money, planning and coaching into sports that people around the world actually watch like Football or Rugby.
But they haven't.. and so they remain trapped in sports that no one else cares about and unable to make the transition to more popular sports where they learn fine touch control using their feet (football) or all action full-contact sports where they do more non stop tackling or running in one half than they would do in half a season..
If my uncle was a woman he'd be my Aunt.
They haven't, so they sit outside the party telling everyone "if I was on there I would be the best best thing ever.. we don't care about your sports ha ha.. have I told you how amazing we are? We're amazing. have I told you The Good News about black people? They're even more amazing. they're better, just better..than anyone else.. If we were inside we would win everything.. Everything. hello? hello? where'd everybody go?"
NHL players, we'd take them.

And Aussie Rules players, they're probably the fittest all round athletes in any team sports come to think of it.
From time to time they send their kickers over to kick in the NFL because they're just better at it.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
I hope France wins tomorrow. I like the top professionalism of the team. The masses see such a team and say they're boring, they're lucky. But they're doing exactly what is required to take the result. Luck = opportunity meets preparation, and they just calmly wait for that opportunity and are prepared to take advantage of it. That's why you time after time see a lesser team storming a formidable opponent, so that everyone thinks they're playing so good they have a chance, and then 40th minute 0 -1, 70th minute 0 - 2 done, 2 chances 2 goals. Just let the lesser team run, let them waste their energy, we'll take our chance as it comes, is the thought of the formidable team, who are like a cobra waiting for the lethal chance to lash out to a mouse that's running around all day yet isn't threatening. Normally Argentina would be the less team here and they make a very emotional impression on me, that's part of the culture, but they can easily be brought out of balance that way if things don't go their way, although they can spur themselves on as well that way. After all being cool, calm and collected usually tends to yield better results than being emotional and running around like a looney tune, but we shall see! It's gonna be interesting for sure.
 

Prosciutto Crudo

Pigeon
Catholic
Time flows like a river but history repeats.

Whoever knows the past can predict the future.

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Argentina will win. I am 100% sure this time.
 

Going strong

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Gold Member
By the way, some people are wondering why world-champion star, Left-Back defender Mendy, isn't in the "France" team any more, seeing as he's still young.

Well, reason is, Mendy is unable to attend because he's... in jail in the UK, accused of multiple rapes. His trial is under way.

And yes, it's the same Mendy who, if you'll remember, jumped in front of Putin 4 years ago, to sing a little mocking song in front of the stone-faced president. I knew back then, that Putin would somehow remove Russia from corrupted European football, and he sure did, and did well.

Strangely, Mendy has been replaced by players who've rather hurriedly left their beloved Spain, after a cumbersome conviction for wife-beating. Nothing as bad as Mendy of course, but still, it's unsavoury.

While we're on the subject, note that the main star of the team, award-winning Benzema, has been surreptitiously removed from the French list of players, under medical pretext - but the real reason seems to be his long lasting prosecution for "sex-tape blackmail" against his weaker colleagues. Lot of unpleasant sexual charges around this team...

Well, at least, their cherished striker M'B won't have any legal trouble with women, given that he's dating Ines Rau, one of the most famous trans of the world. See my previous posts here for the links : he won't get close to real women, thus avoiding prosecutions.

https://www.elle.com/es/star-style/...ista-trans-que-esta-cautivando-a-medio-mundo/
https://twitter.com/YoZhoy/status/1572968308407607297

That's why the creative and Conservative Argentine football fans, have composed a song to denounce the "trans" relationships within their opponents and rivals for the title.



For these reasons, I think no-one should seriously hope for a victory of "France" tomorrow. Plus, on the other side, the Argentine players are honest, faithful heterosexual men, coming from humble and hard-working families. I think they'll outpace "France" and win, say 3-1.

In any case, Messi will give everything he has, and he's surrounded by extremely talented players like Julian Alvarez or Enzo Fernandez or even Mac Allister and Acuña. So, especially if Otamendi, Cuti and Dibu can counter the headers of their tall opponents, fast-thinking Argentina should hopefully win.

Also, the Camel Fever has probably weakened half a dozen of "France" players, so Argentina, well-rested after its supplementary rest day, is favourite.


By the way, this Camel Flu is a kind of super Covid, so, actually the contaminated players should be barred from participating, just like the Establishment barred Djokovic from playing most of last year. And, will these football players bring the Camel Covid back to Europe?

One might also wonder how they got this zoonotic sickness from camels, in the first place...

 
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Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
While we're on the subject, note that the main star of the team, award-winning Benzema, has been surreptitiously removed from the French list of players, under medical pretext - but the real reason seems to be his long lasting prosecution for "sex-tape blackmail" against his weaker colleagues. Lot of unpleasant sexual charges around this team...

Well, at least, their cherished striker M'B won't have any legal trouble with women, given that he's dating Ines Rau, one of the most famous trans of the world. See my previous posts here for the links : he won't get close to real women, thus avoiding prosecutions.
What an f'ed up national roster. Well, this thing tends to happen to star athletes who think they're alpha or high status enough to act like they can get whatever women they want regardless of consent.

As for Mbappe, is he playing 4D chess here to avoid getting MeToo'd in the long run?
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Sports has been a joke for such a long time (it started classically with the Olympics NBA "Dream Team" in Barcelona), to act like the national identity thing has played in the Olympics or World Cup has been to ignore what's been going on for at least 20 years. That is, the nationalism is there in terms of rooting for the team, but for major world (especially European) sides, the representation has been a joke.

Argentina is meh, Messi gets a lot of bogus calls, but at least he is an all time great.
 
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