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KiwiInBudapest

Robin
Protestant
What did they put on Messi at the celebration? A robe? Like a king? I got the association with the robe of Christ at Pilate. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the meaning behind it. What I did realize this world cup is that sports is ultimately idolatry - it takes all the characteristics of religion with the stadium being the church, the history of the club the ecclesiology, the players the saints, the supporters the faithful. The Argentinians are masters at this. So yes it was a very good tournament - but we should also take a look inside if we let ourselves being taken away by ultimately something as insignificant as sports.

Haha. A church? More like a mosque then, it's an emir's coat.

 

rodion

Robin
Orthodox
Seems like just about every other person in Argentina has at least 5 tattoos or a sleeve, even the women. Also a very left-wing poor country who was big on covid and worship some dopehead who had a Communist killer as a tattoo on his leg and didn't care for his kids. And you just had to look at the game against the Netherlands so to see the type of sportsmanship they have.

I've never seen so many people care less about a World Cup than this one. Besides I still hold Ronaldinho and Ronaldo as the goats. I know a lot of people just prefer Messi since he is the more quiet, boring and humble type as compared to Ronaldo. If Ronaldo showed Messi's boring persona in media and Messi was the more high energy and cocky guy, they'd prefer Ronaldo. But Ronaldo is definitely the much better footballer and one who played with far worse teammates throughout his career than Messi.

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KiwiInBudapest

Robin
Protestant
Yes, it's a real article.

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Meanwhile, (((Jared Kushner))) and Elon Musk were spotted at the World Cup in Qatar.

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Funny how they don't mention a word about Morocco's team in the article. Morocco didn't have a single black person in the team either but I guess since they descend from white Europeans it doesn't matter they're not race mixing.
 

lonewolf1968

Kingfisher
Other Christian
What did they put on Messi at the celebration? A robe? Like a king? I got the association with the robe of Christ at Pilate. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the meaning behind it. What I did realize this world cup is that sports is ultimately idolatry - it takes all the characteristics of religion with the stadium being the church, the history of the club the ecclesiology, the players the saints, the supporters the faithful. The Argentinians are masters at this. So yes it was a very good tournament - but we should also take a look inside if we let ourselves being taken away by ultimately something as insignificant as sports.

A bisht (Arabic: بِشْت; plural: بِشُوت bishūt and بْشُوت bshūt), known in some Arabic spoken dialects as mishlaḥ (Arabic: مِشْلَح) or ʿabāʾ (Arabic: عَبَاء), is a traditional men’s cloak popular in the Arab world worn in general for thousands of years. A bisht is usually worn for prestige on special occasions such as weddings, or festivals such as Eid, or for Ṣalāt al-Jumuʿah or Salat al-Janazah. It is usually worn by secular officials or clergy,[2] including tribal chiefs, kings, and imams, over a thawb, kanzu or tunic.

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Everything/everyone can become an idol if you think about it. Bands, artists, celebrities, videogames, etc. I don't see anything wrong with enjoying Football as long as it is kept in check and people don't start doing stupid things over it. I shed a tear out of the emotion of seeing the French vanquished by the Argies but I'm off to the important things now.
 

MajorStyles

Kingfisher
Catholic
Seems like just about every other person in Argentina has at least 5 tattoos or a sleeve, even the women. Also a very left-wing poor country who was big on covid and worship some dopehead who had a Communist killer as a tattoo on his leg and didn't care for his kids. And you just had to look at the game against the Netherlands so to see the type of sportsmanship they have.

THIS. How much is a sports victory worth? For Argentina, it means that your new heroes are covered with more tattoos than an Salvadorean street gang. For France, it means that your new “heroes” are low-level immigrants with no need/desire to subsume themselves into your culture. The victories are just not worth the price tag.

Reminds me of the cliché ESPN commentary that I used to hear: “They (fill in the blank with a sports team) just need to get a winning team on the field.” Always obscuring the social/political/ethnic elements of the “field”…as if it occurs outside of reality.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
What did they put on Messi at the celebration? A robe? Like a king? I got the association with the robe of Christ at Pilate. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the meaning behind it. What I did realize this world cup is that sports is ultimately idolatry - it takes all the characteristics of religion with the stadium being the church, the history of the club the ecclesiology, the players the saints, the supporters the faithful. The Argentinians are masters at this. So yes it was a very good tournament - but we should also take a look inside if we let ourselves being taken away by ultimately something as insignificant as sports.
What's wrong with wearing a traditional Arabic cloak at a celebration in a traditional Arabic country? That's just a normal cultural exchange and appreciation.
 

MilvianForce

Robin
Non-Christian
Seems like just about every other person in Argentina has at least 5 tattoos or a sleeve, even the women. Also a very left-wing poor country who was big on covid and worship some dopehead who had a Communist killer as a tattoo on his leg and didn't care for his kids. And you just had to look at the game against the Netherlands so to see the type of sportsmanship they have.
Yeah I'm not big on the tatoos and all, typical of the footballing culture these days.
I've never seen so many people care less about a World Cup than this one.
True.
Besides I still hold Ronaldinho and Ronaldo as the goats.
We all wear rose colored lenses when it comes to what we love and like. Reality is based of facts and the fact is Messi has trophies they do not, Messi has records they do not and Messi has more clutch performances, passes and goals they both do. Ronaldo and Dino are good but not as good as Mess.
I know a lot of people just prefer Messi since he is the more quiet, boring and humble type as compared to Ronaldo.
Not really. Ronaldo = more followers on instagram than Messi, so he is more marketable hence "likeable" if you look at it from a business perspective. Messi is not as humble as many people think he is, he's just better at not wearing his emotions on his sleeves like CR. Both are great players, hell the two best of our time.
If Ronaldo showed Messi's boring persona in media and Messi was the more high energy and cocky guy, they'd prefer Ronaldo.
In the voice of Dr. Evil "How about nooo."
But Ronaldo is definitely the much better footballer and one who played with far worse teammates throughout his career than Messi.
Ronaldo has much better athleticism than Messi. He is taller, runs faster, has more stamina and has more strength. Messi is a more technically inclined player and knows how to read the game on the pitch. Messi can not only score, but he has insane assist abilities and insane free kick capabilities as well. Dribbling? Messi takes it as well.

As for "worse" team mates, do you mean on a national level or club level? At Real, Ronaldo was surrounded by the top players which is evident in the amount of UCLs they won. National level? I mean Ronaldo did win the Euro with the squad as did Messi for the Copa. At a club level both were surrounded by good players. National level I would say Messi had an advantage. But lettuce be real, Morroco knocked out Spain and Portugal, sometimes it's not all about the names but the heart.

Edit: Due to spelling and insertion of information.
 
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Going strong

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Gold Member
Such a great match, fast-paced, with a lot of technical prowess on the field, and suspenseful to the very end! Thankfully, the good anti-Globalist team won.

So, I went with Orthodox friends to celebrate this great Argentine triumph, in the center of Buenos Aires, with our trusted RVF hats on. Note on the photo, that we had also drawn the Cross on our Argentine national team shirts, near Messi's name.

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I know that football is just a game, but here, it is super important for the lives of hard-working, ordinary people, they rightfully identify with the good Argentine players. Everyone was just happy and peacefully celebrating. (Meanwhile, to compare, in France, Moroccans and Gypsies are sadly killing each other over these last two games)

Edit : note that nobody on the pic has tattoes. Just saying.
 

OrthoSerb

Woodpecker
Orthodox
What's wrong with wearing a traditional Arabic cloak at a celebration in a traditional Arabic country? That's just a normal cultural exchange and appreciation.
To be honest I found that disrespectful and in that position I would have declined to put the robe on. Messi should be lifting that trophy with his Argentinian shirt in full view, not looking like Dracula so that Qatar gets some token publicity. Qatar are the hosts not the winners. They have no business trying to promote themselves at that point. The moment belongs to the winners. In what other world cup has the winning captain been encouraged to cover his national shirt with the local attire as he hoists the trophy? These Qataris think money buys them everything.
 

Caduceus

Ostrich
To be honest I found that disrespectful and in that position I would have declined to put the robe on. Messi should be lifting that trophy with his Argentinian shirt in full view, not looking like Dracula so that Qatar gets some token publicity. Qatar are the hosts not the winners. They have no business trying to promote themselves at that point. The moment belongs to the winners. In what other world cup has the winning captain been encouraged to cover his national shirt with the local attire as he hoists the trophy? These Qataris think money buys them everything.


If France had won, you know the whole French team would have all worn huge faggot sodomy flags.
I'll take the traditional male Arab cloak/robe over that any day.
 

Crazy88

Robin
Other Christian
What a match! WC finals for the most part tend to be somewhat boring and tense affairs, this one will be remembered for a long time. Argentina almost chocked it away but thankfully pulled it off.

You could just tell how much more this meant to the Argentinian players and that whole country compared to those African mercenaries wearing the French uniform. They have zero connection to France, its native people or culture nor any desire to assimilate. After the 4 white players got subbed out, we got a glimpse of the future of the French team.

In contrast the members of team Argentina are 100% native stock. I watched a recent documentary on Prime with an all-access look at this team, profiles of current and past players, and the special connection between the fans and the team. You rarely see this anymore in sports at the world stage the way diversity and immigration has muddied everything.

And that fool Macron with his over the top celebrations in the stands, I’m extra glad France lost.
 
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Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Yes, it's a real article.

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Meanwhile, (((Jared Kushner))) and Elon Musk were spotted at the World Cup in Qatar.

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There's also Macron coming into the pitch to console Mbappe after their side's loss:



I honestly wouldn't mind political leaders supporting professional athletes otherwise, but given the present agenda the French president is pushing as well as what the star player of France represents, the scene has a cringe element to it.

What did they put on Messi at the celebration? A robe? Like a king? I got the association with the robe of Christ at Pilate. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the meaning behind it. What I did realize this world cup is that sports is ultimately idolatry - it takes all the characteristics of religion with the stadium being the church, the history of the club the ecclesiology, the players the saints, the supporters the faithful. The Argentinians are masters at this. So yes it was a very good tournament - but we should also take a look inside if we let ourselves being taken away by ultimately something as insignificant as sports.
Nah he's being treated like a king for his victory, he deserves it. And it depends on how much you consider sports as "insignificant," people find meaning in competition and purpose, and something like the World Cup which puts countries around the world in a friendly competition is better for humanity than wars being constantly waged.

But you're right about sports stars being glorified, idolized and outright worshipped as something more than they really are. I remember when the Golden State Warriors won the NBA Championship this year and there was a kid in my country who made some drawing or painting of Steph Curry and posted it on social media. The thing reeks of outright idolatry and putting people who don't care about your existence on a pedestal.
 

Caduceus

Ostrich
There's also Macron coming into the pitch to console Mbappe after their side's loss:



I honestly wouldn't mind political leaders supporting professional athletes otherwise, but given the present agenda the French president is pushing as well as what the star player of France represents, the scene has a cringe element to it.


Console ???
No.
Macron has a long history of enjoying touching black men




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rodion

Robin
Orthodox

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Console ???
No.
Macron has a long history of enjoying touching black men




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Ah yes, the infamous incident of Macron posing with topless African males. There's no way anyone wouldn't think of that as GAY. He could have at least asked these thugs to dress up decently for the level of propriety matching a head of state.

On a second thought, is this the real reason why the French football team is full of African imports?


On another note, David Erhan made a livestream about what the World Cup represents, and he says what we're discussing in this thread already, especially Argentina vs France being a representation of nationalism vs anti-nationalism. But I found it interesting how he talks first about Qatar's very existence itself as a manifestation of corporatism. Qatar isn't a "nation" or a "country" per se, it's just a place for rich Arab people and rich people from other parts of the world. And this is reflected on how the World Cup hosting there is a vanity project and not a competition held in a nation with a grassroots football culture.



The sheikh robe being bestowed upon Messi might come off as problematic to some here, because of this money-driven attitude from the hosts. These people couldn't have cared less otherwise about a Spanish-speaking Italian man, the only thing that mattered to them that night was a walking advertisement or human billboard, and they quickly saw an opportunity for a product placement.


Even from a non-political standpoint, filling all these Western European teams with Kangz players defeats the point of the World Cup to begin with. What was the point of sub-Saharan African countries having their own national teams if all their best talent would identify as French or English anyway? And why not allow Korean and Japanese players as well to play for European teams too?

The irony is that all of these diversity and mass migration agenda will only make W. Europe and S. America keep winning the World Cup because they're sucking in the best players. England, France and Germany might as well get to the point and just recruit foreigners from all over the world instead of pretending they still want natives in their rosters
 

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
By the way, it's been 24 hours already, why FIFA hasn't uploaded a proper replay or highlight of the Argentina vs France final (I mean the important parts, not the full match of course)? The NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL upload replays of their matches ASAP, heck even the National Lacrosse League does it, so why does the arguably most important sports match in the world doesn't get a replay? FIFA's official YouTube channel is full of either re-broadcasts of past World Cups or highlights of previous 2022 matches that are uploaded 2-3 days after. :)
 
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