Quiet Quitting / Decline in Worker Productivity

[It_is_my_time]

Brother every successful man I know including myself works 7 days a week, unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or you just got dumb lucky with something every adult man I know who has done well in life works every day. Sure you might take a vacation here and there you might even get married and have kids but barring a special occasion/circumstance you are at work. I just left my warehouse and I'm down in my basement office doing more work, I would rather do this than go watch TV or something. You could do everything you say you're missing out on, just get some random 40 hour a week job take a sick/vacation day whenever and do that but you want more than that life right? I could do the same, I can go get some random job and have all the free time in the world but I don't want to live like that, I want more.

I have tell you, in regards to a business you are dead wrong in your assessment it is actually the complete opposite of what you are saying. I know more people that have opened businesses in the past 5 years than at any point in my life to an extreme degree, a wide range of businesses, and they have all done well some incredibly well, people and relatives I know personally. I currently run two businesses at the moment and I feel like I missed out by not venturing into something new the past few years, all my relatives blew past me with their businesses. I'm actually planning on selling one to do just that, take on a new challenge that I have in mind....two actually but one for sure. Wall street and the government don't have anything to do with it, you're not going to start a multi national conglomerate and hell if you do then god bless you, you'll be happy to deal with those things. Small businesses have definitely not been told "tough luck" the past few years, they may not have gotten as much as the big guys but do you have any idea how much free money was handed out to worthless contribute nothing businesses the past few years? The numbers I could tell you would shock you, I'm talking from a dumpy little pizzeria to hotel owners they didn't even have to be struggling they all got handed big cash for nothing.....I know I got my share as much as I could. That one mom and pop shop that you heard about that shut down was because of their own doing in most cases because they didn't adapt and squandered their business, believe me it wasn't for a lack of handouts or available funding to prop them up.

I know we all get nostalgic for the past around here and societally it's true things were a lot better in the past there is no question about that but that is absolutely not true financially and especially business wise. The barriers to entry back in the 80's and 90's were insurmountable for just a common person, that's gone now there are multiple avenues for funding and peoples assets have skyrocketed. My family owned party stores growing up, "successful" party stores, and we were broke....dead flat broke even though we owned good stores. Those same stores today would have made us extremely wealthy and they would have huge value. My father worked 7 days a week, the idea of living in a big house, driving a new car or getting on a plane were pipe dreams to me when i was a kid those were things that only rich people had and did. Now everyone has and does those things, anyone who actually works anyway whereas before those things were out of reach for common people.

Brother I don't know your skillset or you personally to tell you what to do but this mindset you have needs to go, the craziest part is that the things you're saying the reality is actually the complete opposite.......get this stuff out of your head please for your own sake. Nobody is handcuffing you and nothing is holding you back it's just what you choose and how you choose.

I think we are on different pages. I have no desire to be super rich or "successful". I just want financial security. And the advice I want to get to other men, especially young White men, is hard to put together.

I am very philosophical, as I said above, and I don't care how much money you are worth, if you are working 7 days a week (which I do), I don't consider you successful. I consider you successful when your money works for you, and you work when you want, where you want, or not at all. Now if you want to work 7 days a week, that is fine, but I can't imagine wanting to work 7 days a week, or a woman wanting to have children with a man who works 7 days a week and is never around for her or the kids.

TBH, I'm not looking for advice for myself. My time is passed. I am looking for advice to give to young men who ask me what I think they should do.

I think this a super productive back and forth, because at the end of the day this isn't a financial discussion, it is a philosophical discussion and that discussion is what is the value of work.

 

[DanielH]

I am risk adverse. I don't know if it is genetic, life experiences, or a combination of the two, but I am risk adverse.

A long time ago I took one of those ancestry DNA tests (as a disclaimer I don't think anyone should take these tests due to the shady ownership of these companies) and it recently identified me as a risk taker based on my DNA. I think that's accurate... I think that helps a lot of men get to the point of procreating, but the fact that not everyone is a risk taker shows that a lot of men get burnt by taking risks. I know a certain young man who has considered joining a foreign mercenary company. I counseled against that, successfully so far, but that's one extreme example of how the risk taker personality type removes itself from the gene pool.

Whether or not my DNA test results are accurate, it goes to show that there is a genetic component. Whether that outweighs environmental factors is another thing entirely.

On another note I'm asking for a raise tomorrow that is above what is normally accepted to ask so prayers requested. God's will be done. If it doesn't work out, that's fine, it will just give me some solace that I know I need to find a job elsewhere.

 

[It_is_my_time]

A long time ago I took one of those ancestry DNA tests (as a disclaimer I don't think anyone should take these tests due to the shady ownership of these companies) and it recently identified me as a risk taker based on my DNA. I think that's accurate... I think that helps a lot of men get to the point of procreating, but the fact that not everyone is a risk taker shows that a lot of men get burnt by taking risks. I know a certain young man who has considered joining a foreign mercenary company. I counseled against that, successfully so far, but that's one extreme example of how the risk taker personality type removes itself from the gene pool.

Whether or not my DNA test results are accurate, it goes to show that there is a genetic component. Whether that outweighs environmental factors is another thing entirely.

On another note I'm asking for a raise tomorrow that is above what is normally accepted to ask so prayers requested. God's will be done. If it doesn't work out, that's fine, it will just give me some solace that I know I need to find a job elsewhere.

I know I had some serious disappointment growing up, far more than most people face in their life. I feel I am blessed for it, it has made me very resilient. Things that bother most other people don't bother me or even make me laugh and enjoy. What seems to bother most people is so minor to me, verse some of things I have been through, it just seems enjoyable.

But I am certain that is helped make me risk adverse. When you are used to "sure things" that you shore up over working, still not coming close to working, over and over and over, you probably get burned. But at the same time, I have also watched a lot of men take risk and get burned and I often think "okay, my life isn't so bad after all, I'll just stay put at my company with my 3% annual raise and my weekend job".

 

[FrancisK]

I think we are on different pages. I have no desire to be super rich or "successful". I just want financial security. And the advice I want to get to other men, especially young White men, is hard to put together.

I am very philosophical, as I said above, and I don't care how much money you are worth, if you are working 7 days a week (which I do), I don't consider you successful. I consider you successful when your money works for you, and you work when you want, where you want, or not at all. Now if you want to work 7 days a week, that is fine, but I can't imagine wanting to work 7 days a week, or a woman wanting to have children with a man who works 7 days a week and is never around for her or the kids.

TBH, I'm not looking for advice for myself. My time is passed. I am looking for advice to give to young men who ask me what I think they should do.

I think this a super productive back and forth, because at the end of the day this isn't a financial discussion, it is a philosophical discussion and that discussion is what is the value of work.

Brother I don't think we are...financial security comes from being successful nobody said anything about being super rich, otherwise what do you plan on hitting the lotto? Your time has not passed please stop saying that nonsense, you are able bodied and intelligent nothing is beyond you.

If you want to help young men then be an example of strength for them...

 

[It_is_my_time]

Brother I don't think we are...financial security comes from being successful nobody said anything about being super rich, otherwise what do you plan on hitting the lotto? Your time has not passed please stop saying that nonsense, you are able bodied and intelligent nothing is beyond you.

If you want to help young men then be an example of strength for them...

You had mentioned things were better in the past. My parents were financially secure, without being successful. My grandparents, their parents, so on. This late stage capitalism is adding new pressures and stresses that didn't exist in the past. And this isn't a good thing for anyone, except for Blackrock and their friends on Wall Street. Which goes back into the philosophical. Now you have to take big risks, and win at this risks to be successful. What will the next generation have to do to be successful? When Wall Street owns an even larger portion of our economy, what next will be required of them? Especially when the nice neighborhoods will be sold off to the people with bad credit.

Which goes back to the purpose of this thread. If we are in late stages of capitalism, and the windows of opportunity are closing, how do we get something back from these evil elites.

I want to give young White men a specific path to follow. When I was their age there were a few paths available to me. Granted medical was out because as a White man at that time you had to have perfect top scores to get into medical school, granted it is even worse today. But there were other options. I now see those closing and it would be nice to be able to give them advice on what to do, especially when 1 out of 6 companies admit they will not hire a White man for any position.

It sounds like Data might be a recommendation I can give.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Well, there is an answer. Data, you mean a "Data scientist" or something like that? I'm not even worried about myself, I am more worried about what young men can do. It would be nice, when they ask me.....

He's a geographic information specialist. Nothing sexy. Got a degree in history and pivoted at 27. Yes doing well now but wayyy to risk adverse to become seriously wealthy.... But he will be able to retire at 60 with a nice nest egg .... Just not my M.O. but it's relatively safe...

I know I had some serious disappointment growing up, far more than most people face in their life. I feel I am blessed for it, it has made me very resilient. Things that bother most other people don't bother me or even make me laugh and enjoy. What seems to bother most people is so minor to me, verse some of things I have been through, it just seems enjoyable.

But I am certain that is helped make me risk adverse. When you are used to "sure things" that you shore up over working, still not coming close to working, over and over and over, you probably get burned. But at the same time, I have also watched a lot of men take risk and get burned and I often think "okay, my life isn't so bad after all, I'll just stay put at my company with my 3% annual raise and my weekend job".

With respect:

We all see disappointment. My first marriage/being moved off deployment to ship later (career threatening ) only to deploy later and....having friends killed in that deployment ECT.... Life is all about riding a wave one day and being dashed on the Rocks the next. What matters is how you get up from those rocks and if you're willing to stay in the water or run for higher land.

I get your point... But you don't get to complain about how you haven't gotten the things you want when you've not taken the risk. Marriage is a risk. Children are a risk (I've got 2 special needs kids. Do you think I'd have signed up for that if I knew it going to be open?) You just put it in God's hands and let it all happen. God will work these things out for you. Only He can. But I implore you, stop with this attitude of fear, you've got a limited window to make your desires a reality.

Get off the forum and seize the day ... Then report back on your successes.

 

[FrancisK]

You had mentioned things were better in the past. My parents were financially secure, without being successful. My grandparents, their parents, so on. This late stage capitalism is adding new pressures and stresses that didn't exist in the past. And this isn't a good thing for anyone, except for Blackrock and their friends on Wall Street. Which goes back into the philosophical. Now you have to take big risks, and win at this risks to be successful. What will the next generation have to do to be successful? When Wall Street owns an even larger portion of our economy, what next will be required of them? Especially when the nice neighborhoods will be sold off to the people with bad credit.

Which goes back to the purpose of this thread. If we are in late stages of capitalism, and the windows of opportunity are closing, how do we get something back from these evil elites.

I want to give young White men a specific path to follow. When I was their age there were a few paths available to me. Granted medical was out because as a White man at that time you had to have perfect top scores to get into medical school, granted it is even worse today. But there were other options. I now see those closing and it would be nice to be able to give them advice on what to do, especially when 1 out of 6 companies admit they will not hire a White man for any position.

It sounds like Data might be a recommendation I can give.

I get it, the past was better. But we live in today, the past is dead and gone. You have to adapt and do what it takes to live a good life for yourself and for the people you care about. You're talking about helping young men but all you're doing is fixating on limitations, brother that doesn't help anyone.

My successes and failures in life had and have nothing to do with Blackrock, Wall Street, elites or anyone's actions but my own. Those things do not belong in the discussion.

 

[get2choppaaa]

I get it, the past was better. But we live in today, the past is dead and gone. You have to adapt and do what it takes to live a good life for yourself and for the people you care about. You're talking about helping young men but all you're doing is fixating on limitations, brother that doesn't help anyone.

My successes and failures in life had and have nothing to do with Blackrock, Wall Street, elites or anyone's actions but my own. Those things do not belong in the discussion.

It has never been easier to be successful than now if youre serious about money and making smart moved.

As I recently started to my wife, who was a paramedic when we met making 75k and now knows nothing about money other than what I give her....

Use the wealth you can generate to your benefit. Yes it's unfair. Yes it's exploitative... But your options are to bitch or to succeed. I'm not gonna screw anyone over, but I'm not gonna fail. This merely mouthed mentality about why things are unfair don't benefit young men. What they need is someone to guide them.... People who are actually successful.

There is a shortage of successful men in this world willing to share with young men... There's also a shortage of young men willing to ask successful men and listen. It's literally King Lear out there (English Lit folks will get it)

All you can do is advise on what works...but if you're not actually sure then point people in the direction of those who are.

 

[RedLagoon]

You don't have to take big "risks" to be "successful" (whatever that means). Unless it means driving a new Merc and going for skiing trips every winter and have a v8 boat at the lake. Usually in the west that means joining the lodge anyway which is incompatible with Christianity.

A lot of people overlook trucking. It pays as well as trades but doesn't need as much schooling. Yes, you do need a clean record on almost anything (speeding drug alcohol criminal children check etc) but I've found it quite rewarding and you get to see places and every day is different.

It's also surprising how little money you actually need when it matters, this is coming from someone with a young family and got his job taken away by the convid mafia.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I get it, the past was better. But we live in today, the past is dead and gone. You have to adapt and do what it takes to live a good life for yourself and for the people you care about. You're talking about helping young men but all you're doing is fixating on limitations, brother that doesn't help anyone.

My successes and failures in life had and have nothing to do with Blackrock, Wall Street, elites or anyone's actions but my own. Those things do not belong in the discussion.

I don't at all believe the past is dead and gone. I want to encourage men to work to bring it back. We deserve to live good lives and what white pills me is that I see more young men realizing this, even more young women. And I think we will do just that, take back our country from Wall Street elites.

I don't know anything about your success or failures, but I know I can trace back both a lot of the issues in my life to Blackrock/Wall Street, and most of the issues in the world, from war, to famine, to LGBTQ+, to BLM, etc.

 

[It_is_my_time]

It has never been easier to be successful than now if youre serious about money and making smart moved.

As someone who lived in the 1980's and 1990's, this is not the least bit true. Most people in those days could work 40 hours a week, save for retirement, live in a safe neighborhood, have their family vacation every year, and retire as soon as they hit 62, some earlier.

These things are nearly impossible for most young people in this day and age, even those with high skill jobs.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I often forget how old I am and I just take for granted most people have seen the same movies and TV shows I have seen. I forgot about the brilliance of Office Space and how it summed up this thread so well in so many ways.

 

[RedLagoon]

It has never been easier to be successful than now if youre serious about money and making smart moved.

Are you being serious? My parents are flat out boomer retards who made proper wealth for themselves working 37 hours a week on one wage and retiring at 58. They've been cruising the world for the last ten years I have no idea how that would be possible for gen Y and younger. Meanwhile I've had to work 80 hour weeks and endure several business failures for not tickling the right areas in society (lodge).

Living with the pretense that "it's even easier now" surely won't help the young lads finding a decent life for themselves. Let's admit it sucks these days but that there's still a way to a decent life and there are people to help and guide you through the darkness. God will eventually come next.

 

[scorpion]

My time is passed.

Petition to change your forum name to "It_is_no_longer_my_time".

 

[get2choppaaa]

Are you being serious? My parents are flat out boomer retards who made proper wealth for themselves working 37 hours a week on one wage and retiring at 58. They've been cruising the world for the last ten years I have no idea how that would be possible for gen Y and younger. Meanwhile I've had to work 80 hour weeks and endure several business failures for not tickling the right areas in society (lodge).

Living with the pretense that "it's even easier now" surely won't help the young lads finding a decent life for themselves. Let's admit it sucks these days but that there's still a way to a decent life and there are people to help and guide you through the darkness. God will eventually come next.

I am serious. If you are smart and have a plan and actually intend to work... it is easier than most will admit. Heck, we had a fat, borderline worthless intern get offered $90K right out of college as a process improvement specialist for Delloite. How do you pretend like that isnt retarded money? I certainly didnt make that sort of money until several years into the Marines, then a good while later in my civilian life.

Trucking isnt bad money at all, but if you want to generate significant wealth, you cant just own one truck and be an owner opperator... you need to own multiple and have multiple drivers under you (before you poor mouth my understanding, I am a logistics manager who's worked in oil and gas since leaving the Marines so I do have some knowledge of which I speak) I have freinds who are salesmen at large brokerage companies, I have friends who are owner operators ect...It's a good career, you can make 100K+ a year doing it, but its not an easy job. even so $100k a year isnt going to get you generational wealth. Not everyone is into that, and wants to make the sacrifices required to do that.... but its not THAT hard to make more than enough money to raise a family/ own a home/ and not be in retarded debt.


That doesnt mean you're going to have a huge house/5 cars (insert the cypress hill rap song "rock superstar") here.... but you have to have an angle, and be smart in your decisions. Especially not be self limiting by poor choices or fear of branching out.

I've got freinds who are linemen/electricians who are making 85-90 k a year with no real debt.... so yea it is easy IF*** you make smart choices. Again, this wont get you significantly wealthy, but you'll be very comfortable compared to the alternative.

 

[RedLagoon]

I am serious. If you are smart and have a plan and actually intend to work... it is easier than most will admit. Heck, we had a fat, borderline worthless intern get offered $90K right out of college as a process improvement specialist for Delloite. How do you pretend like that isnt retarded money? I certainly didnt make that sort of money until several years into the Marines, then a good while later in my civilian life.

Trucking isnt bad money at all, but if you want to generate significant wealth, you cant just own one truck and be an owner opperator... you need to own multiple and have multiple drivers under you (before you poor mouth my understanding, I am a logistics manager who's worked in oil and gas since leaving the Marines so I do have some knowledge of which I speak) I have freinds who are salesmen at large brokerage companies, I have friends who are owner operators ect...It's a good career, you can make 100K+ a year doing it, but its not an easy job. even so $100k a year isnt going to get you generational wealth. Not everyone is into that, and wants to make the sacrifices required to do that.... but its not THAT hard to make more than enough money to raise a family/ own a home/ and not be in retarded debt.


That doesnt mean you're going to have a huge house/5 cars (insert the cypress hill rap song "rock superstar") here.... but you have to have an angle, and be smart in your decisions. Especially not be self limiting by poor choices or fear of branching out.

I've got freinds who are linemen/electricians who are making 85-90 k a year with no real debt.... so yea it is easy IF*** you make smart choices. Again, this wont get you significantly wealthy, but you'll be very comfortable compared to the alternative.

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. My issue is with your "it's easier to be successful than ever" which is just not true. You didn't give examples of why that is the case either. Maybe it's just that we're misunderstanding each other of what "easy" is. I don't mind hard work but I do mind the boot lickers getting a pass, which is extremely prevalent these days and is one of the reasons why we're on this forum.

Speaking of generational wealth; most boomers don't care one bit. A cruise to Hawaii or French polynesia is just too tempting and what about a new Lexus? A pool in the backyard? ( lack of Christian values) I'm going off topic here as there's already a boomer thread.

I'll leave it at that. God bless.

 

[get2choppaaa]

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. My issue is with your "it's easier to be successful than ever" which is just not true. You didn't give examples of why that is the case either. Maybe it's just that we're misunderstanding each other of what "easy" is. I don't mind hard work but I do mind the boot lickers getting a pass, which is extremely prevalent these days and is one of the reasons why we're on this forum.

Speaking of generational wealth; most boomers don't care one bit. A cruise to Hawaii or French polynesia is just too tempting and what about a new Lexus? A pool in the backyard? ( lack of Christian values) I'm going off topic here as there's already a boomer thread.

I'll leave it at that. God bless.

No worries, sorry If I slighted you. Not My intent sir.

Easy doesnt mean "lack of hard work" Easy just means there are paths toward success for smart people. Covid and lazyiness proved that point as far as I can tell.

I thought I did give an example: A SOON to be college grad interning at an oil and gas company who's got a data/analytics/supply chain background who's able to get offered $90K right out of college because of his ability to do work and show up....

OR my lineman/tradeschool friends. They work 40 hours a week, its all unionized and its hard physical work.

 

[Caractacus Potts]

You don't have to take big "risks" to be "successful" (whatever that means). Unless it means driving a new Merc and going for skiing trips every winter and have a v8 boat at the lake. Usually in the west that means joining the lodge anyway which is incompatible with Christianity.

A lot of people overlook trucking. It pays as well as trades but doesn't need as much schooling. Yes, you do need a clean record on almost anything (speeding drug alcohol criminal children check etc) but I've found it quite rewarding and you get to see places and every day is different.

It's also surprising how little money you actually need when it matters, this is coming from someone with a young family and got his job taken away by t/don'he convid mafia.

I am serious. If you are smart and have a plan and actually intend to work... it is easier than most will admit. Heck, we had a fat, borderline worthless intern get offered $90K right out of college as a process improvement specialist for Delloite. How do you pretend like that isnt retarded money? I certainly didnt make that sort of money until several years into the Marines, then a good while later in my civilian life.

Trucking isnt bad money at all, but if you want to generate significant wealth, you cant just own one truck and be an owner opperator... you need to own multiple and have multiple drivers under you (before you poor mouth my understanding, I am a logistics manager who's worked in oil and gas since leaving the Marines so I do have some knowledge of which I speak) I have freinds who are salesmen at large brokerage companies, I have friends who are owner operators ect...It's a good career, you can make 100K+ a year doing it, but its not an easy job. even so $100k a year isnt going to get you generational wealth. Not everyone is into that, and wants to make the sacrifices required to do that.... but its not THAT hard to make more than enough money to raise a family/ own a home/ and not be in retarded debt.


That doesnt mean you're going to have a huge house/5 cars (insert the cypress hill rap song "rock superstar") here.... but you have to have an angle, and be smart in your decisions. Especially not be self limiting by poor choices or fear of branching out.

I've got freinds who are linemen/electricians who are making 85-90 k a year with no real debt.... so yea it is easy IF*** you make smart choices. Again, this wont get you significantly wealthy, but you'll be very comfortable compared to the alternative.

Get2Choppaaa, question for you...do you think picking a better second spouse and getting remarried colors your view? Did she provide an impetus to you to push harder in your career? If so, was it something that drove you internally or was it something that she vocalized and you wanted to accomplish for her?

I was thinking about this the other day. When I was younger I didn't need to sleep and often worked multiple jobs. (Uncle Sam taught me I can go three days without sleep before I start to hallucinate). When I got married I continued to work and strategize as to how I could best advance my career as well as my budding real estate empire. I wrote out plans of what I was going to do with regards to my career and rental properties, etc.

I was devastated by the death of my daughter and the subsequent betrayal and divorce from my ex-wife. I was in a very dark place for years. Now, all I want to do is spend as much time as I can with my girls. I'm not really looking to advance any further in my career and I have been dragging my feet to move into my new condo and rent out the one I am living in now. Failing to follow through on those two endeavors have cost me tens of thousands of dollars the past few years. But I don't care.

I sometimes feel like I am not living up to my potential. I have had people come to me with business ideas that I believe I could make a go of but I don't want to be bothered. There is one business venture in particular that would be so easy to do given my education/position/certifications. I justify it to myself. My lack of action.

If I find a virtuous woman and get remarried will that reignite the fire to excel in my career and other business ventures? I don't know. Did that do it for you? I am curious to hear your thoughts?

 

[FrancisK]

As someone who lived in the 1980's and 1990's, this is not the least bit true. Most people in those days could work 40 hours a week, save for retirement, live in a safe neighborhood, have their family vacation every year, and retire as soon as they hit 62, some earlier.

These things are nearly impossible for most young people in this day and age, even those with high skill jobs.

I'm sorry this just isn't true, those guys in the 80's and 90's who made livings out of regular jobs worked double shifts at the plant in terrible conditions until they were too old to do it anymore. Believe me I know first hand we used to cash all their checks at the store and I know exactly how much they made, how many hours they worked and how bad it was in that plant. A family of 6 had one car to share and lived two to a room in a modular cookie cutter home and they saved for the entire year to go on a vacation. These fantasy lives of the olden days that everyone suddenly came up with to give themselves an excuse is silly....none of it is real.

Guess what else, you could have done the same thing! All you had to do was go to work at the plant the day after high school like they did, but you didn't because that was a hard crappy job that everyone looked down upon. Instead you went and got some worthless piece of paper from a college because you thought it would lead to an easier life, it just didn't work out the way you expected and hoped.

Give me one example where someone worked 40 hours a week at some random job and had all that you spoke of, it doesn't actually exist.

You're sitting here saying that you're trying to help young men? What is your message exactly? Because I'm just going to come out and say it....your message is one of excuses and condoning for failures.

Brother I need you, we all need you, we all need each other. You're a Christian conservative American man, yea we might be down and playing from behind but the game is not over not even close. It's time to be strong and push forward it's not time to give up and lament the past.

 

[FrancisK]

I am serious. If you are smart and have a plan and actually intend to work... it is easier than most will admit. Heck, we had a fat, borderline worthless intern get offered $90K right out of college as a process improvement specialist for Delloite. How do you pretend like that isnt retarded money? I certainly didnt make that sort of money until several years into the Marines, then a good while later in my civilian life.

Trucking isnt bad money at all, but if you want to generate significant wealth, you cant just own one truck and be an owner opperator... you need to own multiple and have multiple drivers under you (before you poor mouth my understanding, I am a logistics manager who's worked in oil and gas since leaving the Marines so I do have some knowledge of which I speak) I have freinds who are salesmen at large brokerage companies, I have friends who are owner operators ect...It's a good career, you can make 100K+ a year doing it, but its not an easy job. even so $100k a year isnt going to get you generational wealth. Not everyone is into that, and wants to make the sacrifices required to do that.... but its not THAT hard to make more than enough money to raise a family/ own a home/ and not be in retarded debt.


That doesnt mean you're going to have a huge house/5 cars (insert the cypress hill rap song "rock superstar") here.... but you have to have an angle, and be smart in your decisions. Especially not be self limiting by poor choices or fear of branching out.

I've got freinds who are linemen/electricians who are making 85-90 k a year with no real debt.... so yea it is easy IF*** you make smart choices. Again, this wont get you significantly wealthy, but you'll be very comfortable compared to the alternative.

Listen to this man! There is no need or value in excuses, in going back into the past, in accepting your situation if you are not happy.

There is a reason why people are dying to get into this country, if you are halfway intelligent and you have a work ethic opportunity will always come your way.