Reasons to get married

[Orion]

My recommendation would be to just do a church marriage and not get a civil certificate.

That's one thing people are most deluded about.

There is no such a thing as "just Church marriage". If you think it doesn't count when it gets to court, judge will beg to differ.

And another thing.

Why does everyone immediately link bachelorhood to "travelling, getting laid, experiencing stuff, stacking money".

That is a basic propaganda against bachelorhood. "Nah, he just want's to see stuff and isn't ready yet to settle down" (lose basic human decency).

People can be bachelors and lead a perfectly, stable, sober, prosperous, organized lifestyle, without burning in desire too much. It is true that many bachelors live really untidy and unhealthy, but that is usually the case with bachelors by fortune, rather than those who willingly opt out of "marriage" (the sad state of affairs that they sell as marriage these days).

 

[Brodiaga]

The argument about marriage as a way to become a more "serious", responsible and hard working man is similar to an argument that you need a full time job to keep you from fucking up your life by waking up at 2pm, drinking or smoking weed every day. Those who make these arguments basically mean that we are too irresponsible to handle freedom, that we are basically slaves and need a master to keep us out of trouble. While there are people like that out there, I will never subscribe to this way of thinking. I am mature and responsible enough to deal with freedom and make my own choices.

 

[Orion]

Those who make these arguments basically mean that we are too irresponsible to handle freedom, that we are basically slaves and need a master to keep us out of trouble. While there are people like that out there, I will never subscribe to this way of thinking. I am mature and responsible enough to deal with freedom and make my own choices.

This way of thinking mind you, isn't only present in love "affairs". It's everywhere, and has infiltrated every pore of every thought and action. And those who sort of oppose it, oppose it in rebellion and decadence, making things even worse.

To current state of affairs, nothing is more repulsive than free, independent, sober judgment. Even if you are to reach desirable conclusion, you better reach it via "opinion creators".

The devil pulled a dirty old trick, he didn't just let us get away easily. Instead of forbidding marriage, something that would logically be upon mind of progressives as a sign of old, feudal, dark age way of life and oppression, he simply made marriage a comic, cruel, sad mirror image of itself.

Modern marriage hence resembles the spirit of devil himself. It's full of backstabbing, cruelty, scheming, lies, greed, materialism, hypocrisy, sloth...

 

[General Stalin]

Video is very cherry picked. Fuck all that.

Marriage was great in the 1960's and earlier, when men were men, women were women, and raising a family in a modest home was the American dream. No.6 already stated the real reason why people aren't getting married anymore - or are getting married later than before.

This video is going after men who aren't married. Who the fuck are they supposed to marry? Most of the Generation Y women I meet don't want to get married or have kids. Kids "get in the way." They want to pursue higher education and soul-sucking corporate careers so they can make money and live fun/exciting lives full of travel, cool experiences, and whatever other shallow hedonism they get wrapped up in.

Society programs youth to be anti-family. It's everywhere you look. All young boys and girls are raised to believe going to college, getting into a "fulfilling" career, and having a life full of fun and exciting experiences is the way you're supposed to live. What incentive is there to get married? Male/female interaction these days is so shallow, casual, cold, and devoid of respect and selflessness. Men and women don't know how to be with one another. There's no desire to have a family so what is the point? You fuck and get tired of eachother then move on. Relationships are not consummated by child rearing - and more than half of the ones that are end up in the shitter in just a few years because of the rampant narcissism of people thinking they can "do better" and treating their marriage vows and family unit like a disposal thing.

It's no secret that men get fucking raped in divorce court. 80% of divorces are initiated by women, and a lot of those divorces are no-fault cases where the woman just doesn't feel like being with her husband anymore.

The institution of marriage in America has become less of a consummation of love for a man and more of a roll of the dice. Actually... looking at the statistic, more like the flip of a coin.

 

[Rawmeo]

There is no reason to get married in the Western world where the laws are on the woman's favor. However, if you live in a part of the world where people know how to maintain their culture, then you can get married. If you get married without a proper prenup, you are betting half of your shit on the mood of your woman. Maybe you will win, maybe you won't. It's a guess to take.

If you choose to live in a traditional place like EE or SEA, then you will need to get married before starting a family. The problem with most divorce-rape cases is that men didn't make proper research on his wife before saying yes. I personally look at those 5 traits, and if she doesn't match all 5 criterias, she will never be more than a fuck buddy:
1) Must be a virgin (stats prove that non-virgins are 40% more likely to file for divorce, since they won't "bond" as much as a virgin girl)
2) Must come from a complete family with both parents married, and have no half-siblings (girls follow their mom; if she comes from a single-parent household, she will do it too)
3) Must be willing to cook and massage (obviously, no need to explain this one)
4) Must agree with the "once you have kids, it's too late to divorce" idea (you get the point)
5) Must agree to draft a prenup before marriage (unless she plans to divorce-rape you)

Apart from that, it comes to looks / common interests / etc. but the 5 above criteria are the most important ones IMO, otherwise your marriage is deemed to failure.

Once you find a girl that has all 5 above criteria and is willing to take care of you, then get married.

And the most important thing: Never, ever, have kids outside marriage. We have enough single moms that just become another man's fucksock later on, we don't need more. Single moms are a society cancer like trans / gay people, so as a man, you also have the responsibility to not create more of them.

 

[Speculation]

The guy who made the video wrote a follow-up article supporting the vid.

http://family-studies.org/maxim-masculinity-one-legacy-of-the-divorce-revolution/

--Didn't take long for the misogyny card to come out.

--I'm seeing a lot of blaming of men here, no criticism of women. Nor do I see the criticism causing him to take a moment to self-reflect, and perhaps ask a few men about why they're so vehemently against marriage. I'm a regular lurker over at Dalrock's website, where I often read "Man Up and Marry!" screeds like this one, and they have the same problem that this one has--none of them actually *talk to* the men they are telling to man up. They talk *at* those men, and wonder why the men ignore them or tell them to STFU.

--He brings up *some* of the criticisms leveled against the video, but doesn't address them. While a guy working hundreds of extra hours a year is undeniably a good for society, and for the family he's supporting, how exactly is being a societal wage slave with no freedom a good thing *for the men himself*?

--He acknowledges that the Divorce Industrial Complex (I just realized what that acronym is, lol) takes a lot of blame for men not wanting to marry, but he doesn't actually offer any solutions for men in this regard. Nor does he temper his enthusiasm for marriage in the previous part of the article with this new revelation of danger (divorce) brought to light. Therefore by his own admission he is encouraging men to the marriage slaughter.

Like you said, his response is just a diatribe of shaming language and 'poisoning the well'.

His only real rebuttal is that married men live longer, but there's no examination of happiness or the quality of life of those men. Its all about how men getting married benefits others rather than themselves.

Just another SJW doubling down.

 

[Orion]

Video is very cherry picked. Fuck all that.

Marriage was great in the 1960's and earlier, when men were men, women were women, and raising a family in a modest home was the American dream. No.6 already stated the real reason why people aren't getting married anymore - or are getting married later than before.

People from the rest of the world noticed even in the first half of 20th century, that American women will easily divorce their men for the most absurd reasons. America was leading degeneracy even back then.

It's no secret that men get fucking raped in divorce court. 80% of divorces are initiated by women, and a lot of those divorces are no-fault cases where the woman just doesn't feel like being with her husband anymore.

Yes, but you forget that facts don't matter !

You see, number 1 enemy of sobriety of every man is sentimentality. Sentimentality is the number 1 way to get you skinned. And don't mix sentimentality with emotions or empathy. These things have purpose. But sentimentality does not have any. The only purpose of sentimentality is to skin otherwise healthy and promising men and turn them into wage slaves.

Sentimentality is devoid of any reason. Sentiment - it is what was, what could have been but simply isn't and will never be. It's made of all those romantic images of the past. That dim memory, that feeling - man will gladly fill his cup with it and then drink until he is completely knocked out and unable to make sane, correct judgement. It will make him think that his marriage (a social institution) will be determined by what he puts in it, that his children, who spend 70% of their time under influence of state and their peers will be shaped to be the kind of persons he wants them to be, that when his children prove to be unruly, disobedient and going wrong way, that it's 'every parent's experience" and that he just has to put up with it and get over it and love his children no matter what, that it is OK for children to be lazy, immature, to spend most of their time in improvised gangs. You know it's all love. Flowers, and love and scent of fragrance in the air. That old whore, sentimentality.

And i don't care what your position is on immigration, taxes, religion, abortion, Trump. In the end, when it comes to modern marriage, they all agree it's great deal, you go boy: Catholic Church, actors, feminists, President, Secretary of State, proud son of the South, the KKK, musicians, baptist preachers, Lutheran preachers, Mormons, Bill Gates, the whole fucking hodgepodge. To them, radical changes in marriage practice never actually happened. They never tuned up to 21th century to check out how does marriage fare over here since well... Victorian Era ?

And when you point things out, black on white, letter for letter, you get slapped in the face with a complete non-answer which doesn't even pretend to answer question you asked. Remember, their goal is for you to dismiss facts and stats, any way that is possible. Whatever will make you for one moment to forget reality, works.

 

[rawbeefcake]

There is no reason to get married in the Western world where the laws are on the woman's favor. However, if you live in a part of the world where people know how to maintain their culture, then you can get married. If you get married without a proper prenup, you are betting half of your shit on the mood of your woman. Maybe you will win, maybe you won't. It's a guess to take.

If you choose to live in a traditional place like EE or SEA, then you will need to get married before starting a family. The problem with most divorce-rape cases is that men didn't make proper research on his wife before saying yes. I personally look at those 5 traits, and if she doesn't match all 5 criterias, she will never be more than a fuck buddy:
1) Must be a virgin (stats prove that non-virgins are 40% more likely to file for divorce, since they won't "bond" as much as a virgin girl)
2) Must come from a complete family with both parents married, and have no half-siblings (girls follow their mom; if she comes from a single-parent household, she will do it too)
3) Must be willing to cook and massage (obviously, no need to explain this one)
4) Must agree with the "once you have kids, it's too late to divorce" idea (you get the point)
5) Must agree to draft a prenup before marriage (unless she plans to divorce-rape you)

agree on almost all but would say virgin is unrealistic today. even dedicated religious gals get banged when they are young and dumb. if theres no virgins, i think you'd be okay with a girl who has low numbers and hasn't been near a dick in ages (years and years) aka living a virgin lifestyle.

in my experience: the biggest thing is to make sure she knows that divorce would NEVER go down. marriage has to be 100% permanent. obviously one convo is not be enough to work out if a girls actually believing that. they have to know that no matter what happens (cheat, loss job/money, mad fighting) it has to be worked out.

if a girl knows its 100% irreversible then they know that if them or their man aren't satisfied, behaviours must change instead of divorce. More likely to work towards being a good wife instead of bailing on the fella

most important thing for a regular guy to do besides the basics is be ambitious and proactive about their goals + mission in life otherwise their girl will always be unhappy. so many of my mates never get the memo with that one though

 

[Walker]

If you want to have kids and raise them with a joint family.

That's it....and historically, that's very literally been the only reason to ever get married. My recommendation would be to just do a church marriage and not get a civil certificate.

I saw a post just like this a couple years ago on r/TRP and the endorsed contributors were quick to tell him that western governments will force you into a common law marriage if you try that.

Do you know anything about that?

 

[N°6]

Is bachelor life really the good life? Playing the field, traveling the world, and focusing on career sounds better than tying the knot. But is it possible that married men have more sex and make more money than their single counterparts? Brad Wilcox, sociologist at the University of Virginia, explains.

This is the description at the bottom of the video on youtube. The video opens with a story about a guy that's working a minimum wage job living in his mom's basement. Note he's not playing the field, traveling the world or focusing on his career.

The usual confusion between cause and effect then.

It seems pretty obvious that married men earn more because their earnings or at least their earning potential as been quickly ascertained by the hypergamous woman.

On tinder which is nominally a hook-up site, I get "So, what do you do for a living?" before five messages in most of my interactions.

An interesting conversation with a woman I was getting along with suddenly stopped when I explained that I am going sailing, yes sailing in a part of Europe where working class British people go on package holidays. I didn't bother trying to explain that guaranteed sun, wind and tidal waters was the reason that this is a great place to sail. The snobbery of women who destroyed Left leaning labour movements with their versions of 'equality' never ceases to amaze me.

A colleague at work came in one morning to proudly announce that she had a great date the previous night. The women asked at the same time, "So what does he do?"

"He's a doctor..."

[Giggles all round]

With such high earning men falling into marriage without much effort, the average earnings of married man vis-à-vis the unmarried is bound to be skewed.

Married man's salary may be more than the bachelor's but the bachelor's outgoings are considerably less - probably even before children are part of the coupling.

 

[rawbeefcake]

If you want to have kids and raise them with a joint family.

That's it....and historically, that's very literally been the only reason to ever get married. My recommendation would be to just do a church marriage and not get a civil certificate.

I saw a post just like this a couple years ago on r/TRP and the endorsed contributors were quick to tell him that western governments will force you into a common law marriage if you try that.

Do you know anything about that?

Co-habitation for greater than two years is considered somewhat equivalent to marriage in the eyes of the law (i.e. one party proves the co-habitation and have same entitlements they would have for marriage).. differs between states/countries obviously

 

[Rawmeo]

This depends on the juridiction. In Canada, there is no such law. Even after 25 years of cohabitation, you have no more privileges.

 

[WalterBlack]

I personally look at those 5 traits, and if she doesn't match all 5 criterias, she will never be more than a fuck buddy:
1) Must be a virgin (stats prove that non-virgins are 40% more likely to file for divorce, since they won't "bond" as much as a virgin girl)
2) Must come from a complete family with both parents married, and have no half-siblings (girls follow their mom; if she comes from a single-parent household, she will do it too)
3) Must be willing to cook and massage (obviously, no need to explain this one)
4) Must agree with the "once you have kids, it's too late to divorce" idea (you get the point)
5) Must agree to draft a prenup before marriage (unless she plans to divorce-rape you)

Apart from that, it comes to looks / common interests / etc. but the 5 above criteria are the most important ones IMO, otherwise your marriage is deemed to failure.

Once you find a girl that has all 5 above criteria and is willing to take care of you, then get married.

And the most important thing: Never, ever, have kids outside marriage. We have enough single moms that just become another man's fucksock later on, we don't need more. Single moms are a society cancer like trans / gay people, so as a man, you also have the responsibility to not create more of them.

Earlier post from me:

Indian culture is very red-pill when it comes to choosing the ideal wife, here’s some bare basics of what a wife should be like. A lot of this stuff is universal to all Asian cultures.

• She must be physically attractive, young, and of fertile age
• She cannot be divorced - If she's had one divorce, she may be willing to go through another one
• She cannot be a single mother – A man shouldn’t be raising somebody else’s kids
• She shouldn’t smoke, drink or do drugs
• She must respect her parents - a sign of class and good manners
• Her parents are not divorced – If her parents are divorced, she might think about it too
• Her siblings are not divorced - If any of her siblings are divorced, she might think about it too. They have to be in stable marriages.
• She cooks and cleans for her family
• She’s a virgin – this is to make sure she hasn’t ridden the cock carousel
• She wants children and she’s willing to give up work to raise children – her career comes second to family life
• She has good manners and is well spoken
• She cannot come from a family where anybody has been to prison – this is a sign of shitty family
• She must respect her future husband's close and extended family
• She must always keep any issues with her future husband and family “in house”, and not gossip about it to others since this is disrespectful
• She must treat her future husband well. Be nice to him and cook for him
• She must treat any guests that come to the house well. Offer them drinks and food.

 

[RatInTheWoods]

Obviously getting married is a terrible idea, unless you want to work extra hours, earn more money, take on extra responsibility and accept less freedom.

All for the woman's benefit.

Well we all know not to get married, but in Australia (and probably other western nations) they have countered "not getting married" with defacto laws.

After two years of living "as man and wife" (this doesn't even require actually living together by the way) you are considered legally married, and those evil, money grubbing lawyer cunts can serve you up and rape you in the court if she decides to change cocks. And they always do make that decision.

So all that extra work and pay and stress you endured is enjoyed by the woman and the lawyers.

So the legal system means you can not really have a two year LTR in Australia.

 

[Tytalus]

As others have said, you want to have children and live in a nuclear family unit, the safest and best unit for raising and provisioning for children.

 

[Rawmeo]

I personally look at those 5 traits, and if she doesn't match all 5 criterias, she will never be more than a fuck buddy:
1) Must be a virgin (stats prove that non-virgins are 40% more likely to file for divorce, since they won't "bond" as much as a virgin girl)
2) Must come from a complete family with both parents married, and have no half-siblings (girls follow their mom; if she comes from a single-parent household, she will do it too)
3) Must be willing to cook and massage (obviously, no need to explain this one)
4) Must agree with the "once you have kids, it's too late to divorce" idea (you get the point)
5) Must agree to draft a prenup before marriage (unless she plans to divorce-rape you)

Apart from that, it comes to looks / common interests / etc. but the 5 above criteria are the most important ones IMO, otherwise your marriage is deemed to failure.

Once you find a girl that has all 5 above criteria and is willing to take care of you, then get married.

And the most important thing: Never, ever, have kids outside marriage. We have enough single moms that just become another man's fucksock later on, we don't need more. Single moms are a society cancer like trans / gay people, so as a man, you also have the responsibility to not create more of them.

Earlier post from me:

Indian culture is very red-pill when it comes to choosing the ideal wife, here’s some bare basics of what a wife should be like. A lot of this stuff is universal to all Asian cultures.

• She must be physically attractive, young, and of fertile age
• She cannot be divorced - If she's had one divorce, she may be willing to go through another one
• She cannot be a single mother – A man shouldn’t be raising somebody else’s kids
• She shouldn’t smoke, drink or do drugs
• She must respect her parents - a sign of class and good manners
• Her parents are not divorced – If her parents are divorced, she might think about it too
• Her siblings are not divorced - If any of her siblings are divorced, she might think about it too. They have to be in stable marriages.
• She cooks and cleans for her family
• She’s a virgin – this is to make sure she hasn’t ridden the cock carousel
• She wants children and she’s willing to give up work to raise children – her career comes second to family life
• She has good manners and is well spoken
• She cannot come from a family where anybody has been to prison – this is a sign of shitty family
• She must respect her future husband's close and extended family
• She must always keep any issues with her future husband and family “in house”, and not gossip about it to others since this is disrespectful
• She must treat her future husband well. Be nice to him and cook for him
• She must treat any guests that come to the house well. Offer them drinks and food.

That's some solid advice there.

 

[spacetime]

Those in charge are becoming desperate, because men are smartening up and they are not getting married anymore nowadays

 

[Laner]

Kids are the obvious answer.

When the video talks so highly about men making more money per year than bachelors, he should follow up that the extra money goes right back to the kids.

At young ages, in socialist Canada, kids are free. My kid cost me $0 last year. In fact, with grant money and child benefit tax loops, I made money off my kid last year. That won't last long as he was eating an entire sushi roll and a half order of tempura at 6 months old. Food alone for growing boys is significant.

Marriage itself feels more like a socially shaming tactic to keep people beholden to their word. Nothing more. In my circle of friends and family, divorce is amazingly low. Like other posters have said, having tough men and attractive and feminine women is the key. But because divorce is very low, it keeps divorce low. So if you run with degenerate losers who come from broken homes and are divorced themselves, then why would you be socially shamed from having a divorce. The company you keep.....

Sex does drop off slightly, though it would be significantly if it wasn't for *domestic rape, and those of you in similar situations know what I mean. I made my peace with that, and she is aware of her own choice in the matter, so off I go to plunder young hot pussy when I get the itch. But this also adds some mental hurdles on its own, as it happens that men can get sucked into a beautiful vagina and not want to come out for a while. My two sidepieces, especially this Korean 9, can take up too much head space and can mess up my decision making process and hard rule:

- My family is number 1 at all times.

* our definition of rape is fast hard sex up against a wall or when she is "sleeping"

 

[alphaspiraton]

@spacetime

I keep seeing that quote but it should really read "betting someone half your shit that they'll love you forever." I think that more accurately captures the essence of most divorces: women initiating divorces because their vaginas no longer tingle for their husbands. Most men don't initiate divorce because they lose love for their wife, from what I hear.

 

[anthony]

The best way to raise a family is to be married. I am in such a situation myself.

However, I do not and will never shun any man who doesn't want the same. The system as it stands puts weight against any reasonable married male. Also, we have destroyed the very fabric of the family for our own personal narcissism. Selfies, abortions, crying rape, being "proud" of single motherhood are the rule of the day. Any type of divorce and the man/father becomes a money siv.

No one should ever have children if they don't want them. You do and you take it out on the kid. Resentment is not a way to raise a family. You guys don't want kids get a vasectomy.

My parents were married at their late teens and they were not pregnant at the time. They are still married into their 60's. I have no fucking clue how a 20 year old reasonable male with job prospects, good ethics and good character (and no not the "nice" guy) can ever find a reasonable woman the same age.

The video is using the statistics as a whole. That doesnt mean you should get married or "its for everyone".