Reasons to get married
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What if the husband is a beta, insecure loser....that married a younger, attractive woman? She stayed with him...almost left him cause of his insecurity. They had kids. He is about 44 now and is getting Stage 1 diabetis. They weren't fucking any more and he was having anxiety attacks because he was "old", before this diabetis shit started. She is stressed too and she still looks good (for being 38 years old.) How long do you think it will be, before she starts riding different cocks? (Both of them are my friends.)
I hate to admit it. But if she got caught fucking another guy...I would not hold it against her. I am surprised she stayed with him this long.
I hate to admit it. But if she got caught fucking another guy...I would not hold it against her. I am surprised she stayed with him this long.
If you find a good woman then marriage is great. There's a lot more to life than fucking strangers, and the guarantee of sex on tap frees you up to set your mind to all sorts of other interesting pursuits.
Thing is, you have marriage and Western Civilisation or you have neither.
Nobody bitching about marriage has any business bitching about the decline of our society, except in the context of having difficulty finding a decent woman to marry.
Thing is, you have marriage and Western Civilisation or you have neither.
Nobody bitching about marriage has any business bitching about the decline of our society, except in the context of having difficulty finding a decent woman to marry.
spacetime said:Those in charge are becoming desperate, because men are smartening up and they are not getting married anymore nowadays
I think you're being overtly optimistic. Some are smartening up, that's for sure. But a majority of those men don't avoid marriage because they've realized marriage is a sham nowadays, but because they're unattractive to modern women. When I look at some 30+ unmarried guys around me, I see thirsty betas who would be more than happy to marry some plain Jane, if only she'd stop craving for alphas who use her as a sex toy.
Sure, when someone asks those guys about their views on the matter, they'll give an explanation that has some red pill connotations like for example "modern women suck" or "marriage isn't what it used to be". But I guarantee you, if some ho decided she wants to settle down with a beta after spending her youth riding alphas, they'd put a ring on her finger faster than you can say "alimony".
Khan said:
I believe it is both you state but I also believe its the rise of betas.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/shipped-to-california.html
These guys wait for girls to approach them.
absolutely but only if he has money. Lots of it.
If I found such a woman, I'd marry her tomorrow!
"She must be physically attractive, young, and of fertile age
She cannot be divorced - If she's had one divorce, she may be willing to go through another one
She cannot be a single mother – A man shouldn’t be raising somebody else’s kids
She shouldn’t smoke, drink or do drugs
She must respect her parents - a sign of class and good manners
Her parents are not divorced – If her parents are divorced, she might think about it too
Her siblings are not divorced - If any of her siblings are divorced, she might think about it too. They have to be in stable marriages.
She cooks and cleans for her family
She’s a virgin – this is to make sure she hasn’t ridden the cock carousel
She wants children and she’s willing to give up work to raise children – her career comes second to family life
She has good manners and is well spoken
She cannot come from a family where anybody has been to prison – this is a sign of shitty family
She must respect her future husband's close and extended family
She must always keep any issues with her future husband and family “in house”, and not gossip about it to others since this is disrespectful
She must treat her future husband well. Be nice to him and cook for him
She must treat any guests that come to the house well. Offer them drinks and food."
"She must be physically attractive, young, and of fertile age
She cannot be divorced - If she's had one divorce, she may be willing to go through another one
She cannot be a single mother – A man shouldn’t be raising somebody else’s kids
She shouldn’t smoke, drink or do drugs
She must respect her parents - a sign of class and good manners
Her parents are not divorced – If her parents are divorced, she might think about it too
Her siblings are not divorced - If any of her siblings are divorced, she might think about it too. They have to be in stable marriages.
She cooks and cleans for her family
She’s a virgin – this is to make sure she hasn’t ridden the cock carousel
She wants children and she’s willing to give up work to raise children – her career comes second to family life
She has good manners and is well spoken
She cannot come from a family where anybody has been to prison – this is a sign of shitty family
She must respect her future husband's close and extended family
She must always keep any issues with her future husband and family “in house”, and not gossip about it to others since this is disrespectful
She must treat her future husband well. Be nice to him and cook for him
She must treat any guests that come to the house well. Offer them drinks and food."
There are thousands of benefits for women to get married.
Getting half of her husband wealth in case of anything, and then a support and alimony
for the next 18 years, without much effort... are just few of her advantages.
Advantage for a man to get married: none.
Just pain and misery for him.
Getting half of her husband wealth in case of anything, and then a support and alimony
for the next 18 years, without much effort... are just few of her advantages.
Advantage for a man to get married: none.
Just pain and misery for him.
spacetime said:
Show me a man who thinks marriage is a guarantee of misery and I'll show you a man who's mother was a shitty wife.
Hard truths, buddy.
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spacetime said:
Nothing could be further from the truth. Those with a socialist ideology, all the way back to the founding fathers hanging out in Parisian cafes, have openly argued the need to destroy the nuclear family so that children can be raised as wards of the state. It's necessary as well to achieve social equality because family allows parents to pass on advantages to their children. In modern parlance you could call it "good family privilege".
The exact state of affairs is only one step removed from the ultimate goal. With a majority of families being single mother households, the parent works all day and has no father figure to serve as a "guiding beacon" for developing their values, character, and ethic. Instead they receive their values from school, television, and MAYBE a single mother who is herself of below average character (at best). Many others are "latchkey kids" who rarely see their parents except on vacation because both parents are constantly working.
In both instances you're going to have kids who do not develop their own unique identities and values, but instead are (hopefully, at least) fully imprinted with the values that the state and media push on them. The only real difference between this and a fully state-run system like in Sparta is that the children still get to sleep in their own beds...which benefits the state because they offload the majority of the expense but still have near total control over the ideas they're exposed to.
The end result is your modern SJW: militant in his beliefs, unwilling to self improve, and eager to work for peanuts in unrewarding jobs because he believes poverty is a virtue.
Leonard D Neubache said:
This is a rather plain and obvious attempt to silence someone by way of shaming.
You see, problem with such statements is that they:
1) Absolutely don't stand in opposition to anything he originally said. Sentence that some women are "great wives" (an obscured definition with no quantitative, objective measure) don't contradict statement that modern marriage (in rest of the text simply marriage) is completely stupid, and an awful deal for men
2) They entirely depend on accepted cultural norm. Good wife for example, by Western norm, is a stupid woman, with no skills, with lack of genuine interest in anything not completely superficial, shallow or status related, who feels nothing but contempt for her husband, which happens to not let her children starve and miss school classes, and won't divorce her good earning husband easily.
As westerners, with confirmation bias, we consider above described model to be the "normal" the "golden middle" and a "good deal", the best you can get.
And then, the question above all questions is opened. Why should we settle for anything, at all ? It remains unanswered. The only thing left is to bash those who dare ask the question of questions with shaming language. Your mom sucked, you are insecure, misogynist, appeals to tradition sentimentality patriarchy and anything else a deceived man will fall for (anything works really, the just need to find out what makes him move), as long as he will for just a split-second forfeit any claims to facts.
facts, facts, facts. Demagogy will never beat facts.
I agree with this video.
But I'm against marriage for now until alimony laws are changed.
Family is precious, having kids is the most amazing thing in the world probably.
But the chance of losing half of your assets in case of a divorce would be devestating especially if your wife turned out to be a cheating whore.
I'm 26 and confused, I want to have kids but I don't want to marry.
I don't believe in prenups as they can be invalidated by the judge.
It's obvious that people who are married tend to be more successful than people who aren't.
The only famous single multi millionare that comes to my mind is Martin Shkreli.
Elon Musk
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Mark Zuckerberg
Google founders
All of them were married.
I became a first hand witness of it. My dads career took off once he got married.
But I'm against marriage for now until alimony laws are changed.
Family is precious, having kids is the most amazing thing in the world probably.
But the chance of losing half of your assets in case of a divorce would be devestating especially if your wife turned out to be a cheating whore.
I'm 26 and confused, I want to have kids but I don't want to marry.
I don't believe in prenups as they can be invalidated by the judge.
It's obvious that people who are married tend to be more successful than people who aren't.
The only famous single multi millionare that comes to my mind is Martin Shkreli.
Elon Musk
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Mark Zuckerberg
Google founders
All of them were married.
I became a first hand witness of it. My dads career took off once he got married.
Just get married off the books, the state has no right to have a say in marriage; I don't understand why so many people, especially wealthy people who should be smarter than that feel that they need to have their marriage officialized by the state. There is a myth that if 2 people cohabitate for X number of years it automatically becomes a common law marriage, but this is actually false.
EDantes said:
I am surprised to hear that. Are you referring to a couple without kids?
I dated a woman who was married at 21 and divorced at 27. The judge ordered their debt split down the middle, which she said sucked for her because he accrued most of the debt trying to start a business.
Purely anecdotal, but without kids Canadian judges are mostly very fair.
Orion said:
If you want something with a bit more meat on the bones, then here we go.
The average man bitching about marriage being a raw deal is generally not living a life conducive to finding and keeping a good woman (a term I'm sure you will say is objective, because you can reduce all debates about human behaviour to drivel by invoking "objective standards").
I used to be that guy. I bitched about there being no good women but the truth was that I was a lazy, feckless piece of human driftwood washing about on the shores of humanity with the rest of the trash. Chances of finding a good woman there? Nil.
Guys expect a wife to be loyal, obedient, hard working, traditionally minded, proper in public, willing in the sack and capable of raising children.
How many guys bitching about a lack of women with such characteristics actually tick most of these boxes themselves? How many of them have ever stepped foot into a place where these values were fostered through dozens of generations, like for example, a frigging church.
So sorry, you can't have it both ways. You can't hoover up the debauchery of modern life on the east/west coast and then bitch about how women are lazy gold diggers. Millions of men are happily married and will be for life because they not only chose a good woman but they made themselves good enough to be chosen by one in return. Typically that involves removing yourself from human cesspits and setting up shop where the people are so terribly dull and boring, dull and boring being progressive code for "intolerably traditional yet happy".
What's the alternative plan? To bomb around bars and gyms hoping to stumble across a stepford wife with low expectations?
There are valid reasons to get married in this day and age, most importantly the bearing and raising of children.
In our modern world, however, such things will not happen for most of us. This is not being said in anguish or despair, this is being said coldly and rationally. The days of being able to marry a young virgin with wife skills are long gone, and they are never coming back. There are two options left for younger men: hedonism and MGTOW. The family in the west is dead. That's the simple truth. Greener pastures are drying up. Another truth. The left won long ago, and all we can do is try to get through life as best we can in these conditions.
In our modern world, however, such things will not happen for most of us. This is not being said in anguish or despair, this is being said coldly and rationally. The days of being able to marry a young virgin with wife skills are long gone, and they are never coming back. There are two options left for younger men: hedonism and MGTOW. The family in the west is dead. That's the simple truth. Greener pastures are drying up. Another truth. The left won long ago, and all we can do is try to get through life as best we can in these conditions.
BlackHat said:
It used to be, "Behind every great man there is a great woman".
I saw that with my grandparents.
I have inlaws where the husband died of cancer. He was a scientist and had small children. The wife was offered a position at the company he worked for after he died. She was almost as educated as he was but before he died was a housewife.
You dont see that today as often. Easy divorce and narcissism takes care of that.
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