Reasons to support Russia in its struggle against the West

CaliforniaBased

Woodpecker
Catholic
Here's a list of simple reasons why despite any corruption, accusations of an unprovoked attack on a smaller nation etc, why the Russian government is better than Western governments:

Russia promotes traditional values - The majority of people in the world are social conservatives - whether they admit to it or not. The ridiculous ideas being promoted in Western society are the path to both personal and societal failure - both in a moral and practical sense. For that matter Ukraine is culturally far more similar to Russia than the Western countries they have made the mistake of aligning themselves with.

Russia has puts pressure on groups with excessive influence in the West that are clearly to the detriment to society - Russia has put pressure on the church of Scientology, in several cases refusing to recognize them as a religious entity - only to be blocked from doing so by the European Court of Human Rights. I am quite certain most of use can consider the Church of Scientology anything but a church - it is a dangerous cult. Russia recently left the Council of Europe - hopefully this will allow them to move against dangerous groups like the Church of Scientology. Additionally, Russia currently bans cultivation of transgenic crops for commercial use is not allowed in Russia. The companies that produce GMO have serious amounts of influence in the United States and by extension Europe and other parts of the world.

Russia creates a potential competitor to our own society - our leaders must maintain a certain minimum standard of living to "stay ahead" of the Russians. They couldn't allow us to live worse than those Russkies living under their dictator Putin could they? Additionally, Eastern European nations in the EU must be provided with a minimum standard of living and rights to pull them away from Russian influence.

Russia provides an alternative ally for developing nations - Russia provides an alternative developed nation ally for third world countries keeping them from becoming too dependent on Western businesses and governments for aid, trade, arms, etc. Even if Russia were to be equally self-centered in there dealings with developing nations the simple option of an alternative increases the bargaining position of poor nations.

Russia promotes domestic business over global consumerist culture
- Whether by intention of the Russian government or due to Western sanctions, giant multinational companies such as Coca-Cola and McDonald have left Russia.
 

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
I would love to add more reasons to your post, but I've noticed that it's gonna require different arguments for different people (and assuming that they're open-minded enough).

Many people around the world do support Russia as a resisting force against US imperialism, but not that Russia preserves traditional values. Either because they're already living in traditional societies (and thus the concept of being a "conservative" is unknown to them), or they simply don't care about the moral decline of America
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Russia will also undermine the globalist green agenda, which is meant to expand control over the economic and social activities of western citizens. We're going to see "carbon credits" allotted to individuals which will tax them and restrict them from doing things like travelling by air or car, eating meat, buying products etc.

Russia will not do any of these things, which will keep raising their standard of living while ours decline, and our liberties get further eroded. As such they will provide an example for freedom to the West, in a kind of reversal of the situation during the Cold War, where the West provided an example of freedom and economic development to the populations behind the Iron Curtain. So the situation going forward will be the reverse of the Cold War.
 

Wutang

Ostrich
Gold Member
If you wanted to convince a normie about why to support Russia, what sort of reasons would you give? A lot of the support normies have for Ukraine is mostly because Russia made the initial move. They aren't aware of the geopolitical situations such as the creeping influence of NATO which caused Russia to pull the trigger on the operation. A lot of these western normies whether they be conservative or liberals also see their societies as being more advanced and cultured then Russian society and want Ukraine to be incorporated into the Western-sphere so how can they be convinced to support Russia?
 

president

Ostrich
Protestant
Gold Member
Russia also implemented the jab pass, so dont think they are independant at all, in fact i think you are an AI bot for writing this, please delete this thanks
While this may be true, go spend a day, heck an hour, walking around Moscow or St. Petersburg then do the same in any Western metropolis. Report back and tell me which has the healthier society.
 

murphykj930

Robin
Buddhist / Eastern
If you wanted to convince a normie about why to support Russia, what sort of reasons would you give?
You would have to get past the hurdle of communist history, and convince people that the war is just. Then you’d have to make people think that Russia is cool. Kinda like what Japan did after WW2. Tall order.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
Russia also implemented the jab pass, so dont think they are independant at all, in fact i think you are an AI bot for writing this, please delete this thanks

This is a common misinfo, it was never mandated by law. Many organizations required it, but it was their choice. Most surveys show only 50% of Russia was vaccinated, and it was with the Sputnik vaccine (NOT an mRNA vax).
 

analyst_green

Sparrow
Other Christian
Russia has certainly been doing a lot of things to support traditional values lately. And I'm very glad that they offer a model of opposition to the globalist, deep state backed Western system. But Russia has its own set of problems. They have a sky high abortion rate, high divorce rate, rampant alcoholism and drug use, and a serious problem with HIV.

And they did push hard for the vaccine, and are even now implementing digital QR passports for the Russian people. There's also talk that Russia is pushing the CBDC which will further erode the people's independence. Moscow already has facial recognition surveillance cameras everywhere. This is a corrupt, authoritarian state for sure and I think they have their own plans for retaining power and wealth. I remain unconvinced that Russia offers any kind of salvation for us. At least in America I can go out and protest all the money we are sending to these crooks in Ukraine. Sure I will get vilified but won't be sent to jail. If I protest the war in Russia, I might get put in a prison cell, perhaps for a very long time.

This is a common misinfo, it was never mandated by law. Many organizations required it, but it was their choice. Most surveys show only 50% of Russia was vaccinated, and it was with the Sputnik vaccine (NOT an mRNA vax).
Didn't they mandate it for restaurants, gyms, etc. in many cities? The Sputnik vaccine is also not harmless. It is a viral vector technology similar to AstraZeneca or Janssen in the west. Though I believe all of these are substantially less dangerous than the mRNA ones.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Russia has certainly been doing a lot of things to support traditional values lately. And I'm very glad that they offer a model of opposition to the globalist, deep state backed Western system. But Russia has its own set of problems. They have a sky high abortion rate, high divorce rate, rampant alcoholism and drug use, and a serious problem with HIV.

All these problems have been receding since the 1990s under Putin. All signs point to their further improvement going forward, while in the West we are headed in the opposite direction with late term abortion being allowed and rising overdose deaths and overall degeneracy.
 

analyst_green

Sparrow
Other Christian
Perhaps certain cities mandated it, but it was never done nationwide. Similar to America, except Putin himself was against a universal mandate, while in America we got extremely lucky with the triple Supreme Court picks in Trump's term.
One could argue that nothing important in Russia happens without Putin's approval. And he only came out against the mandates for popular support, while behind the scenes he approved it for his own reasons. Trump didn't have the same level of control in America, but he put his money where his mouth is whenever he could.
 

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Russia will not do any of these things, which will keep raising their standard of living while ours decline, and our liberties get further eroded. As such they will provide an example for freedom to the West, in a kind of reversal of the situation during the Cold War, where the West provided an example of freedom and economic development to the populations behind the Iron Curtain. So the situation going forward will be the reverse of the Cold War.
This is also what I've been thinking for a while now. The Iron Curtain has descended upon Europe once again, but this time the sides are reversed. Both neocons who still support US warmongering and the tankies who larp about restoring the USSR fail to get this.

If you wanted to convince a normie about why to support Russia, what sort of reasons would you give? A lot of the support normies have for Ukraine is mostly because Russia made the initial move. They aren't aware of the geopolitical situations such as the creeping influence of NATO which caused Russia to pull the trigger on the operation. A lot of these western normies whether they be conservative or liberals also see their societies as being more advanced and cultured then Russian society and want Ukraine to be incorporated into the Western-sphere so how can they be convinced to support Russia?
This was by America's design, knowing that in provoking Russia to finally attack directly after 8 years they can enact this massive propaganda and media warfare in hopes of destroying Russia.

However, a deeper underlying factor is the years of anti-Putin propaganda implanted in the minds of normies, starting with the whole "Russian bot" thing in 2016. I've seen headlines in Time and Newsweek such as "Putin building a network of rogue states." And then there's the YouTube channels like Caspian Report pushing the narrative of Putin setting out for world domination.

The Minsk Agreement doesn't matter to normies. The Azov terrorists don't matter to them. The fact that Russian-speakers in Eastern Ukraine are an oppressed minority or Zelensky is objectively more dictatorial than Duterte don't matter. The moment the first Russian units crossed in February last year, it validated the assumptions they already have about Putin seeking to conquer Europe, and thus it automatically makes Ukraine look like a hero to them.

You would have to get past the hurdle of communist history, and convince people that the war is just. Then you’d have to make people think that Russia is cool. Kinda like what Japan did after WW2. Tall order.
Anyone with a brain should realize that Communism has fallen in Eastern Europe 30 years ago, and those who are paying attention should realize that America is now the woke Marxist tyrannical regime it claimed to fought in the Cold War.

On a side note, I discovered that many people in the former Eastern Bloc countries are not motivated by anti-Communism in opposing Russia, but by actual Russophobia and discrimination towards Russians. Their hatred has blinded them to the machinations of the globohomo elites. I commend Orban for keeping his head above the water and seeing that his country needs Russia in this time of trouble.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
A Russian victory will be a very important win against the march towards a one world goverment and a step towards a multipolar world

The one world government is not a win for the common people, more a dystopia.

A Russian victory will strengthen all conservative movements in western countries and hopefully will crush the whole woke movement enough that those of us who oppose it can then make sure that it goes away.

If you wanted to convince a normie about why to support Russia, what sort of reasons would you give?
It's like talking to a brick wall I rarely try to convince normies or leftists. I would point out that the Russians were the first in space (sputnik), have set off the worlds largest atomic bomb ever (the tsar bomba), peacefully stopped ocupying Germany some years after the cold war ended instead of staying there like the Americans and bombing north Africa and the middle east from control centers there, have brought composers to the world like Tschaikovsky and Rachmaninov with some especially good piano music, excel in gymnastics and ballet.

The cuisine is interesting, the girls are attractive and like to pose when photographed.

To me it is so obvious that the Western campaign is founded on lies about Russia as Russia stands in the way of their desired one world government and there are likely ((religious motivations)) as well, but not sure a normie can be convinced. Of course Russia has some mild anti-gay laws and the West does not like that either.

I'm not that sure about Russian history but believe the communism was just a chapter, and the rest of its splendid history is being ignored because of that chapter. Germany is also bashed because of a certain chapter but escapes the fate of Russia by giving up sovereignty and submitting partially to American rule.
 

murphykj930

Robin
Buddhist / Eastern
The one world government was not likely to be a thing, because you’d have to convince the following generations to keep the cycle going, and that’s not happening. Could you imagine Millennials and Gen Z keeping up this world system that was created, using force if necessary? After Gen X retires, that’s it.

America won’t be doing all that because Americans aren’t interested in world conflict anymore. People were happy here when Biden pulled out of Iraq, it was like, finally! Most friends that I have in my age group are not interested in going to war, and I’ll bet that GenZ isn’t interested neither. A draft would be super unpopular in this day and age, and even then, most people are unfit for service.

Maybe if China does something, that’s more of an American problem, but this Russia thing is gonna be more of a European affair.

After these next potential two big conflicts, there won’t be any action for long time, at least with heavy US involvement. Most of us are not interested.
 
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