Resisting against coronavirus laws

TDA1541

Chicken
Protestant
Hi guys,

I was hoping perhaps someone could help me with the following. My wife's religious exemption is being reviewed. She was asked to answer more questions in that regard.

1. What is it about the Covid-19 vaccines that alters God’s design?
2. Can you tell me about your past practice with respect to vaccination?
3. Do you accept other vaccinations or medications? If so, please provide a listing
of the vaccinations and medications you accept.
4. Are there any other medicines or products that you do not use because of your religions
belief underlying your objection to the COVID 19 vaccinations? If so, please provide
more details.
5. Why does your belief differ from the religious leaders of your faith who are in favour of
vaccination?

What do you think could be good answers to this questions?

It seems they're hell bent on injecting everyone.

Thank you!
They're all disingenuous questions meant to trap the individual responding.
 

Kiwi

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Hi guys,

I was hoping perhaps someone could help me with the following. My wife's religious exemption is being reviewed. She was asked to answer more questions in that regard.

1. What is it about the Covid-19 vaccines that alters God’s design?
2. Can you tell me about your past practice with respect to vaccination?
3. Do you accept other vaccinations or medications? If so, please provide a listing
of the vaccinations and medications you accept.
4. Are there any other medicines or products that you do not use because of your religions
belief underlying your objection to the COVID 19 vaccinations? If so, please provide
more details.
5. Why does your belief differ from the religious leaders of your faith who are in favour of
vaccination?

What do you think could be good answers to this questions?

It seems they're hell bent on injecting everyone.

Thank you!


I think these can largely be dismantled due to the fact it's not a vaccine, so none of this is relevant. Or.... invite them along to church so they can get a better understanding of your faith. Ha ha.
 

presidentcarter

Ostrich
Protestant
Gold Member
Another approach would be to respond with a letter from your lawyer explaining that it is against the law for them to ask questions like that.
So we worked on a similar issue with a contact of mine and ended up going with a strategy of writing a short letter which explains that the exemption accommodation request form they've already received satisfies the employee's obligation and that if the employer needs more information related to the religious objection to let them know in writing.

They were being asked to review "facts" and check the boxes that they acknowledge all the "facts" - such as the stab gives better immunity and that if they get sick they could kill patients etc. Just ridiculous conjectures which were not facts at all but meant as traps - perhaps even legally (I'm not a lawyer).

It's clear that these forms are coming from very high up and being passed down to supervisors and HR to accompany exemption requests. It's insidious and orchestrated from high levels.
 

RolandPaul

Chicken
Other Christian
Pastor in Colorado fighting against mask (and all other) mandates at Christian school

Pastor Jim Tarr will be on frankspeech.com tonight at 6:45pm MST to give a follow up on the story of the county targeting the Christian school about resisting mask and vaccine mandates.

 

canuckj

Robin
Other Christian
I am really having a hard time processing all the fuss being made out of this so-called pandemic and why so many have willingly went along with the extreme overreaction to this. To the extent they are willing to destroy people's lives who won't put these so-called vaxes in their bodies. Replace unvaccinated with gay, jewish, black, HIV positive, TB carrier, etc. and you get a horrified reaction and probably law suits and jail time for discrimination. With us they don't see the parallel, even the Germans and Austrians who should know better. I don't personally know anyone who died or even horribly suffered from this virus. When I ask others I hear stories like "I know an 80 year old man who recovered from it". I think it comes down to the fact they hate us and see us as traditionalist, right wing and religious and want to make our lives hell.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
I am really having a hard time processing all the fuss being made out of this so-called pandemic and why so many have willingly went along with the extreme overreaction to this. To the extent they are willing to destroy people's lives who won't put these so-called vaxes in their bodies. Replace unvaccinated with gay, jewish, black, HIV positive, TB carrier, etc. and you get a horrified reaction and probably law suits and jail time for discrimination. With us they don't see the parallel, even the Germans and Austrians who should know better. I don't personally know anyone who died or even horribly suffered from this virus. When I ask others I hear stories like "I know an 80 year old man who recovered from it". I think it comes down to the fact they hate us and see us as traditionalist, right wing and religious and want to make our lives hell.
They don't have any truth in them. Hence what the newspaper is their truth. It's sad, they ain't winning. Was refused at a pub today, no emotion, go to the next and was ok there. The pub owners don't want to do it either they say at the door, but still they do it. And indeed we have the entire system at us but as C.S Lewis says in the screwtape letters, the demons hate one thing and that is mockery. I get the negative emotion but we should laugh at them and their comedy world, that's what renders them powerless.
 

canuckj

Robin
Other Christian
They don't have any truth in them. Hence what the newspaper is their truth. It's sad, they ain't winning. Was refused at a pub today, no emotion, go to the next and was ok there. The pub owners don't want to do it either they say at the door, but still they do it. And indeed we have the entire system at us but as C.S Lewis says in the screwtape letters, the demons hate one thing and that is mockery. I get the negative emotion but we should laugh at them and their comedy world, that's what renders them powerless.
Thanks. I will have to read more C.S. Lewis. I bought a full set of his books but stalled in my reading.
 

griffinmill

Pelican
I am really having a hard time processing all the fuss being made out of this so-called pandemic and why so many have willingly went along with the extreme overreaction to this. To the extent they are willing to destroy people's lives who won't put these so-called vaxes in their bodies. Replace unvaccinated with gay, jewish, black, HIV positive, TB carrier, etc. and you get a horrified reaction and probably law suits and jail time for discrimination. With us they don't see the parallel, even the Germans and Austrians who should know better. I don't personally know anyone who died or even horribly suffered from this virus. When I ask others I hear stories like "I know an 80 year old man who recovered from it". I think it comes down to the fact they hate us and see us as traditionalist, right wing and religious and want to make our lives hell.

I know of many people who got Covid and they all say the same thing: just a bad flu.

However, I know of three people who've gotten much sicker from the vaccine, one family member still in the hospital months later.
 

OhHeyCindy

Pigeon
Catholic
A trend I’ve noticed is that there seems to be almost no resistance from people 16-21. Maybe it’s just sample bias but where my parents live (town mask mandate) the resistance is mostly ppl in late 20s and 30s and some really old people who dgaf. The high school looking kids always seem to mask. Had thought that was the age of rebellion.
 

RedLagoon

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
A trend I’ve noticed is that there seems to be almost no resistance from people 16-21. Maybe it’s just sample bias but where my parents live (town mask mandate) the resistance is mostly ppl in late 20s and 30s and some really old people who dgaf. The high school looking kids always seem to mask. Had thought that was the age of rebellion.

It used to be. Now its the age of soy.

Same here, it's really only some gen Y men resisting.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
A trend I’ve noticed is that there seems to be almost no resistance from people 16-21. Maybe it’s just sample bias but where my parents live (town mask mandate) the resistance is mostly ppl in late 20s and 30s and some really old people who dgaf. The high school looking kids always seem to mask. Had thought that was the age of rebellion.
I don't know whether that's true, in fact I've seen quite some examples of youngsters having a fake QR and for example yesterday I had a talk with a waitress about 20 years old in a pub and she said she wasn't vaccinated (to emphasize the absurdity, you can work unvaccinated in a restaurant but you can't have dinner there). So in fact, because youngsters have access to the internet hence obviously have seen things about the Great Reset etc on their twitter feed and so on, I believe many youngsters have some idea of what's going on. The age group I don't see any resistance from is the boomers, like 70+ are all cowered in fear with their masks, furthermore they depend heavily and solely on traditional media plus a traditional authority of traditional media.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member


Address by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Milan, Italy
November 13, 2021

TRANSCRIPT

No government in the history of mankind has ever relinquished power voluntarily. The power that they have taken away from us over the past 20 months they will never give back. They have taken away our freedom of speech, they have closed the churches, they have taken away jury trials against companies, no matter how negligent they, no matter how reckless they are, no matter how grievous your injury, you cannot sue that company.

They have taken away our property rights in the United States. They closed a million businesses for a year with no just compensation and no due process. They have taken away our right to be free of warrantless searches and seizures and surveillance by the government. In the United States all of those rights are enumerated in our Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. And among the most important of those rights, after the right to free expression, which is gone, is the right to be able to participate in rule-making.

So, when the government wants to pass a law, it has to publish the law, propose the law, it has to explain the scientific basis for that law, it has to do a cost-benefit analysis of that law and explain it to the public, and then we have comments, that all the public can participate in, and then we have a hearing where people oppose the law, like myself, and bring in our own scientists and experts and scientific studies and it’s all transparent. All of those safeguards have been obliterated. Today, the law is what one man says it is, the top doctor in the United States, Anthony Fauci.

In one month, in March of 2020, Tony Fauci told the world masks don’t work, they’re scientifically worthless, two months later he ordered every American to put on a mask. He didn’t give us any scientific studies that made him change his mind, he simply told us, that’s the new law, do what you’re told.

All of these rights that the Founders of our country died for, sacrificed their properties, their livelihoods, to give us the Bill of Rights, and all of these rights over 20 months have been obliterated, taken from the American people — but not just the American people. This is a global coup d’état against liberal democracies across the planet.

And all of these rights that were taken away from us, these governments said it was only temporary. They said it would only be two weeks. In truth, you can all see what is happening: They will never give them back unless we make them.

And the Green Pass is their coup d’état. The Green Pass is how they consolidate their power over your lives. The Green Pass is not a public health measure. It is a tool for totalitarian control of your transportation, your bank account, your movement, every aspect of your life.

And this is not a new idea. This is the same idea they used in Germany in 1937. They issued a pass for people they wanted to control. And when the South African apartheid government wanted to control the black population of South Africa, what was the most important thing they did? They issued a green pass.

I want you to ask all of people and journalists and press who are here today. If the Green Pass is about public health, why is it not issued by the health ministry? It’s being issued by the financial ministry. Do they think that we are stupid?

Because this is a way to control your money, Once you have that Green Pass and they have the digital currency, if somebody tells you, Do not leave Milan, and you go on a trip to Bologna, your money won’t work in Bologna. If the government tells you not to buy pizza, they can make it so that your money won’t buy pizza at a pizza store. They can control every aspect of your life.

They tell you that we need a Green Pass to make sure everybody gets vaccinated. But they admit it: the vaccine does not prevent transmission, the vaccine does not prevent you from getting the disease, the vaccine doesn’t stop the pandemic. So why do we need to get vaccinated if the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission?

I’m gonna tell you for two minutes — I’m going to talk about the vaccines. People say I’m against vaccines. I’m not against vaccines. I’m only against bad vaccines.

I’m not going to tell you what Robert Kennedy thinks. I’m going to tell you what Pfizer told the United States FDA.

Pfizer is the company that has an approved vaccine in the United States. And Pfizer was supposed to have a three-year-study, but they cut it to 6 months. And then they gave vaccinations to all of the controls. Why did they do that? Why did they end the study in 6 months? Because they learned that the antibodies disappear in 6 months and the vaccine no longer provides protection. So they had to end it in 6 months. They could not do what they planned (3 years). They took all of their records for that 6 months and they gave them to FDA. The most important table is the table that tells you All Cause Mortality. How many people died in the vaccine group, how many died in the placebo group during that 6-month period. That table is called “s4.” You can all look it up.

Here’s what the numbers say. There were 22,000 in the vaccine group. Over 6 months, one died from COVID. In the placebo group, the control group, there were 22,000 people, two died from COVID in 6 months. That allowed Pfizer to tell the American public that the vaccine is 100% effective because two is 100% of one.

Most Americans and most Italians when they hear that the vaccine is “100% effective”, what they think is that if they take the vaccine, I have 100% of not dying from COVID. That’s not what it means. What it means is they have give 22,000 vaccines to protect one person from dying of COVID. That means they better make sure that the vaccine itself does not kill one person even, because if it kills one person then you cancel out the entire benefit.

Here’s the important thing. In the vaccine group, 20 people died over 6 months from all causes — 20 people of the 22,000. In the control group, only 14 people died of 22,000. That means that if you take the vaccine you are 48% more likely to die over the next 6 months than if you don’t.

These are Pfizer’s numbers, not mine. Here’s how the people died. In the control group, one person died of a heart attack over the 6 months. In the vaccine group, 5 people died of heart attacks over the 6 months. That means if you get the vaccine, you have a 500% risk of a fatal heart attack within 6 months. It also means that for every one person who is saved from dying of COVID, the vaccine is killing 4 people from heart attacks.

This is not a good public health policy. Public health is supposed to save lives. But this is about control and controlling our society and controlling our children. And the only reason that people don’t understand what I just said and that people still support the vaccine is one reason: the manipulation of fear.

This is simple mathematics. Anybody can look it up. If you look it up you will be more scared of that vaccine than you are of COVID. But the government and the pharmaceutical companies have a method for turning off people’s brains so that they can no longer do simple mathematics. That device is fear. Fear stops us from exercising critical thinking. It allows us to believe that if we just do what we’re told then that that is the only way to save our lives. It’s called the Stockholm Syndrome. And the captors, they lock down a whole country for a year, and people become grateful to their captors and think the only way we can leave here alive is if we have absolute obedience.

I’m going to make one more point and that’s this. How many people here have heard of Event 201?

If you haven’t heard of it, you should go look at it on Youtube. Event 201 was a simulation of a corona virus pandemic that occurred in New York City in October 2019. We now know that COVID was circulating in Wuhan on September 12, 2019, so a month later, there is a simulated corona virus pandemic in New York.

The people who came to that were the big social media companies, the media companies, Johnson & Johnson, the biggest vaccine company, and it was hosted by three people: 1) Bill Gates, 2) George Fu Gao who’s the head of the Chinese CDC, and 3) Avril Haines, the deputy director of the CIA.

Avril Haines is today the top number one spy in the United States, She is the head of Joe Biden’s National Security Agency, so she went from Event 201 to becoming the top spy in our country.

Who knew that the CIA is a public health agency? It came as a surprise to me.

Because the CIA does not do public health. The CIA does coup d’états. Between 1947 and the year 2000, the CIA was engaged in 73 coup d’états, most of them against democracies, one-third of the countries in the world. If you look at Event 201, there was no discussion of public health. Nobody was talking about how do we get Vitamin D to all the people? How do we get people to lose weight? How do we make sure they eat good food? How do we repurpose medicines to treat people? How do we quarantine the sick? How do we preserve Constitutional rights? Not a word was said about public health.

Instead, what they were talking about is how do we use the pandemic as a pretext to clamp down totalitarian controls and to deconstruct democracy. They spent one-quarter of the day talking about how to make sure nobody’s allowed to spread the rumor that the coronavirus pandemic is laboratory- generated.

This is October 2019! And they talk about how to lock down the population, how to force them to take experimental vaccines, how to make sure that black people don’t start resisting. Because in our country, blacks are very suspicious of the medical establishment, and they were deeply concerned about that resistance.

When I researched my book, what I learned was that this event, Event 201, was not a one-time occurrence. We found 20 separate pandemic simulations beginning in 2000. One thing they had in common — most of them Bill Gates was involved in, Tony Fauci was involved in — but every one of them the CIA was involved in. The CIA wrote the script, high-level CIA officials participated in every one of those pandemic simulations.

And they involved hundreds of thousands of people. They were conducted secretly. They used frontline workers, they were training police, and hospital systems and utilities in Europe, in Italy, in Germany, in Canada, in Australia, all at the same time, to do a response to a pandemic, but it was not a public health response. It was a response to use the pandemic for something else.

So they practiced again and again and again: How to use the pandemic as a pretext for imposing totalitarian controls and for obliterating liberal democracy across the planet.

One of the experiments that they used, they found, is called the Milgram experiment — it was a CIA experiment in 1967 — and what the CIA found is that if a powerful medical official orders people to do something wrong, something that violates their conscience, that violates their basic values, 67% of people will obey authority over their values. And 67% of the people will be hypnotized by fear into obeying a position of authority, a figure of authority. But 33% of the people will not obey. And you are the 33%.

And our job is to go out from here today and reach out to our brothers and sisters, the people who are still hypnotized, and tell them that we are going to fight for their freedom until they are able to fight for it themselves. We need to reach out when we leave here today to all of our brothers and sisters, the 67% who are still hypnotized, and we have to tell them that you need to love your freedom more than you are scared of a germ.

This year we saw the destruction of the American Constitution. That Constitution was written by a group of people who understood that there are worse things than dying. And they put their lives on the front line, their property, their careers, their livelihoods, to fight for freedom, and to fight for those rights that we have lost in the previous 20 months.

And now it’s our job now, it is the job of everybody in this crowd, to go out and fight back, to resist, resist, resist, resist, and to reclaim our government, to reclaim our lives, to reclaim our liberty, for our children, for our country, and for all future generations.

And I can tell you this. I will stand side by side with you, and if I have to die for this, I’m going to die with my boots on.

Source
 

canuckj

Robin
Other Christian
I don't know whether that's true, in fact I've seen quite some examples of youngsters having a fake QR and for example yesterday I had a talk with a waitress about 20 years old in a pub and she said she wasn't vaccinated (to emphasize the absurdity, you can work unvaccinated in a restaurant but you can't have dinner there). So in fact, because youngsters have access to the internet hence obviously have seen things about the Great Reset etc on their twitter feed and so on, I believe many youngsters have some idea of what's going on. The age group I don't see any resistance from is the boomers, like 70+ are all cowered in fear with their masks, furthermore they depend heavily and solely on traditional media plus a traditional authority of traditional media.
The boomers seem to be most supportive of vaccines and vax pass here too. They want to travel and finish off their pensioned lives without any issues. They had an easy go of it (low housing prices, low taxes, defined benefit pensions, homogenous society, etc.) and don't want any trouble. I remember listening to them when I was young complaining how we needed to open the immigration floodgates because the native population wasn't having kids and who would pay all the taxes to support their social programs and pensions. Ironically they were the first generation with one and two children families. My grandparents had eight children. The rallies I attend here are mostly young to early 50s demographic with a few boomers and older folks.
 
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Foolsgo1d

Peacock
The boomers seem to be most supportive of vaccines and vax pass here too. They want to travel and finish off their pensioned lives without any issues. They had an easy go of it (low housing prices, low taxes, defined benefit pensions, homogenous society, etc.) and don't want any trouble. I remember listening to them when I was young complaining how we needed to open the immigration floodgates because the native population wasn't having kids and who would pay all the taxes to support their social programs and pensions. Ironically they were the first generation with one and two children families. My grandparents had eight children. The rallies I attend here are mostly young to early 50s demographic with a few boomers and older folks.


The boomers are right about wanting to spend their pensions because those at the top do not want them to have it. That also goes for the younger generations.
 

BarrontheTigercat

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Hi guys,

I was hoping perhaps someone could help me with the following. My wife's religious exemption is being reviewed. She was asked to answer more questions in that regard.

1. What is it about the Covid-19 vaccines that alters God’s design?
2. Can you tell me about your past practice with respect to vaccination?
3. Do you accept other vaccinations or medications? If so, please provide a listing
of the vaccinations and medications you accept.
4. Are there any other medicines or products that you do not use because of your religions
belief underlying your objection to the COVID 19 vaccinations? If so, please provide
more details.
5. Why does your belief differ from the religious leaders of your faith who are in favour of
vaccination?

What do you think could be good answers to this questions?

It seems they're hell bent on injecting everyone.

Thank you!
This is just my take but:

Following the advice of Ron Unz..

"When in Trouble, Head for Auschwitz"

I would suggest a letter.
I would suggest a letter taking note of of all the questions (only taking note) and then expressing your fears for the employer that you work for.
You will cite the example of Franz Stangl, the commandant of Sobibor and Treblinka, who was managerial level in the greatest crime the world has ever seen.
Stangl faced a journey of incrementalism from overseeing the euthanasia of extremely disabled patients at the TiergartenStrasse facility to overseeing the execution of millions of men, women and children.
The first step? His employers forced him to accept his Furher, Hitler, as his ultimate authority over and above his Catholic faith and his God.
He was reportedly very torn by the insistence that he do that from his employer. Reportedly the violence this did to his conscience paved the way for his accepting worse and worse orders.
He faced, at that time, all manner of questions at work that were designed to catch him out as not consistent in his faith. It was insidious.
Your fear is for your employer.
These questions can be construed by the uncharitable or those looking for news copy or legal fees as similarly unfair practices undermining to the conscience of employees in their care.
In the wake of the Shoah, the greatest crime of the last century, there is precious little forgiveness for employers who are seen = with hindsight = to have been forcing those under them to act against their conscience.
Especially those who used invasive questioning and demands for ideological consistency a la an inquisition or the pressures those under the Nazis faced as the price for continued employment.
IBM and Hugo Boss may have been big enough to weather the adverse publicity of their tangential involvement in the Third Reich, but to this day they bear the stigma of their association.
Smaller firms were not so lucky.
Right now governments are breaking Nuremberg laws and, when challenged, engaging in sophistry to evade the charge.
They distinguish between a state mandating medical procedures upon people that do not want them (this is a mild expression of what happened) and the current situation, which they claim is somehow different because it is 'public health policy'. The Nazis had something they termed a public health policy as well.
This sophistry and contradictory messaging is an indication that small, mid-sized and even big companies are on shaky ground.
The huge Pharma companies have already been excused liability. The CEOs have gone on record that there will be long term unforeseen adverse effects from these vaccines. The buck of liability will have to stop somewhere.
The higher authorities who are initiating this give no indication that they can be trusted either to explain their advice nor help those who will have trustingly followed their diktats.
The idea of a secular employer acting as an inquisitor (no matter how well meaning the motivation) into an employee's faith is a legal time bomb for that employer.
In the long term *whatever happens during this pandemic* it is likely that employers will face censure should they insist on this path.
It is already obvious that they will be afforded scant protections from those above them who are already adopting a contradictory and evasive stance on these matters.
You wish to reach an accommodation with your employer in a spirit of reasonableness and good will and hope that you can.
You trust that the employer understands if you do not partake in answering a questionnaire that amounts to a confession/inquisition into the consistency of your conscience.
You wish to flag this up now ahead of time as you can see the dangers it leaves the organisation open to: in terms of litigation or pubicity after the fact.
Hopefully the company and employees can continue to thrive in a mutually understanding environment.

My two cents.
 
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