Resisting against coronavirus laws

godfather dust

Ostrich
Gold Member
The compliance rate around me is legit like 99 percent. Today i went inside gas station to get a water, the woman cashier inside almost hoped over the counter like mrs doubtfire, "help is on the way". She sprinted to me and physically grabbed me by my shoulder and was telling me i need a mask. I been using roosh's tip of just ignoring them and waiting for them to get tired and it honestly does work but ignoring this woman didnt wotk she kept poking at me with her finger and telling me i need a mask. There was noone else in the store, i told her let me get this straight your terrified of the virus yet you sprinted to me and kept touching and poking me. If i was you and i believed what they are telling you i would sprint out of the store and leave it unattended. Yet you sprinted to me and keep touching me. She then answered im calling the police and i just laughed and left, went to another store down the street and got my water.

This is the first time someone tried to get physical but im willing to bet it wont be the last

Whats insane is few days ago i drove to the next state over, just 45 minute drive and it was like being on another planet. The compliance rate there didnt even seem like 50 percent. I thought i drove through a time portal.
I'm in Massachusetts and feel slightly jealous when I read about other posters areas with some level of disobedience/non-compliance. Here I would say mask-wearers are 99% of the population. Maybe 10-25% of people are open to discussion of how much of a pain it is or that it is total bs.
 

RomikJan

Pigeon
Im also in Massachusetts lmao so you know how hard it is, the compliance rate is 99 percent around here. Went to new Hampshire few days ago and half the people werent wearing them.
 

Uprising

Woodpecker
Does anybody else feel like their mental health has declined because of all of the Coronavirus hysteria (masks, social distancing, shutting down the world economy, forced vaccinations upcoming, etc. etc.) and of course topping it off with the BLM riots?

Overall I feel more on edge, more anxious, more stressed and more negative. What do you guys do to try to ease your minds and stay mentally healthy?
 
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Johnny Rico

Sparrow
Does anybody else feel like their mental health has declined because of all of the Coronavirus hysteria (masks, social distancing, shutting down the world economy, forced vaccinations upcoming, etc. etc.) and of course topping it off with the BLM riots?

Overall I feel more on edge, more anxious, more stressed and more negative. What do you guys do to try to ease your minds and stay mentally healthy?
Work out. Lift. Make sandbags if you can't get to the gym. Maintain firearm skills. If you can't afford ammo dry fire and work on technique. Watch self defense videos and spar with friends. Cook.

Nothing else you can do.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Does anybody else feel like their mental health has declined because of all of the Coronavirus hysteria (masks, social distancing, shutting down the world economy, forced vaccinations upcoming, etc. etc.) and of course topping it off with the BLM riots?

Overall I feel more on edge, more anxious, more stressed and more negative. What do you guys do to try to ease your minds and stay mentally healthy?
Prayer, Bible reading, and going to the park helps. Get away from screens if you're just reading bad news. For me, I get more depressed when I go out in public and interact with face mask wearers, so it has been helpful for me to be something of a hermit who stays home for several days in a row. For you it could be that getting out more will help, perhaps to a place of nature..
 
I have days of complete despondency. Being able to see this stuff I feel either I'm crazy or the whole rest of the world is.

To regain sanity I go to the most redneck gas stations I can find. I always find kindred spirits there. Always. It's like some f-ed up church now.

I've had to break up with a normie girlfirend because of this, switch political parties, quit my gym and my family thinks I'm nuts. I'm trying to pray but it seems like everyday I just have to cut someone or something out of my life to keep my own sanity. Fortunately I have nature. But when I hike I have people putting masks on when I pass them. I even had one group huddle together and turn their back on me because 'safety'. Seriously?

My faith in the human race fades day by day. It's like I see them walking into a slaughterhouse and they don't even know whats coming.

Yah...life gets better and better every damn day.
 

Uprising

Woodpecker
Prayer, Bible reading, and going to the park helps. Get away from screens if you're just reading bad news. For me, I get more depressed when I go out in public and interact with face mask wearers, so it has been helpful for me to be something of a hermit who stays home for several days in a row. For you it could be that getting out more will help, perhaps to a place of nature..
Thanks Roosh. I think the news and screen time have become a big problem for me.

What would you recommend for screen time and news time to cut down too, so as to not give myself harmful stress and mental health decline over everything that's going on, but to still be adequately informed (I know it's not a one size fits all answer)?

And what do you recommend for someone like me who can't avoid seeing the public and becoming a voluntary hermit? I was thinking maybe telling myself "It's not a big deal" when I'm forced to put on a mask, instead of getting a bit angry when they tell me to put it on despite me feeling dumb with it on. Have you or anybody else had success with "positive" inner monologue, rather than getting frustrated or angry over it? Or does the frustration usually overtake the positive inner monologue?
 

Johnny Rico

Sparrow
If you're going to spend time using a screen watch uplifting and comedic media. Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm always puts me in a good mood. Ya I know they're jews whatever it's funny. Home Improvement is also a light uplifting show. Married with Children. Just get a solid VPN if you're going to download them.
 

Uprising

Woodpecker
I have days of complete despondency. Being able to see this stuff I feel either I'm crazy or the whole rest of the world is.
I am struggling with this too, with at times feeling like I'm going crazy because the rest of the world is going crazy. Before 2020 I could ignore the crazy SJW stuff for the most part, if I just tuned out. But with this, there is no getting away from it. People wearing masks, stores forcing masks on people - I don't feel that I can communicate effectively with a mask because much of human interaction is based off from non-verbal cues, which you can't convey with a mask. Then you have the big stickers on the floors of every store you go to, where the signs scream at you in capital letters KEEP 6 FEET APART. It's just a lot of stuff that is hard to get away from, even if you try.

And not everybody can become a voluntary hermit, thus forcing us do have to deal with the Coronavirus hysteria day in and day out. And people might say "well it's just a mask", but the thing is the mask is a constant reminder of vaccines that might be mandatory and harmful, of an economy that is not doing good at all - The masks are associated with negative things, I never associate the masks with positive things and therefore it's always negative feelings that I get when I see the masks on people. It's a very psycological thing, as stupid or as dramatic as that sounds.

I really do wish we could go back to pre-2020, where I could just turn off the internet and not have to think about it. I really pray that this Covid hysteria will pass and be done with and we can go back to how it was. I don't think that will be the case though.
 
I am struggling with this too, with at times feeling like I'm going crazy because the rest of the world is going crazy. Before 2020 I could ignore the crazy SJW stuff for the most part, if I just tuned out. But with this, there is no getting away from it. People wearing masks, stores forcing masks on people - I don't feel that I can communicate effectively with a mask because much of human interaction is based off from non-verbal cues, which you can't convey with a mask. Then you have the big stickers on the floors of every store you go to, where the signs scream at you in capital letters KEEP 6 FEET APART. It's just a lot of stuff that is hard to get away from, even if you try.

And not everybody can become a voluntary hermit, thus forcing us do have to deal with the Coronavirus hysteria day in and day out. And people might say "well it's just a mask", but the thing is the mask is a constant reminder of vaccines that might be mandatory and harmful, of an economy that is not doing good at all - The masks are associated with negative things, I never associate the masks with positive things and therefore it's always negative feelings that I get when I see the masks on people. It's a very psycological thing, as stupid or as dramatic as that sounds.

I really do wish we could go back to pre-2020, where I could just turn off the internet and not have to think about it. I really pray that this Covid hysteria will pass and be done with and we can go back to how it was. I don't think that will be the case though.
I feel that now as a straight normal thinking white man in America is equivalent to being in one of the layers of Dante's inferno.

I've also quit drinking and porno, ditched my smartphone, won't frequent restaurants and I can't even go to church and pray. My hope is that through faith, stoicism, asceticism and God we'll get through this dark time. Monk mode activated to 100%.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Thanks Roosh. I think the news and screen time have become a big problem for me.

What would you recommend for screen time and news time to cut down too, so as to not give myself harmful stress and mental health decline over everything that's going on, but to still be adequately informed (I know it's not a one size fits all answer)?

And what do you recommend for someone like me who can't avoid seeing the public and becoming a voluntary hermit? I was thinking maybe telling myself "It's not a big deal" when I'm forced to put on a mask, instead of getting a bit angry when they tell me to put it on despite me feeling dumb with it on. Have you or anybody else had success with "positive" inner monologue, rather than getting frustrated or angry over it? Or does the frustration usually overtake the positive inner monologue?
Sounds like you have more of a spiritual problem than a material one. You're looking for material solutions but that will fail you in time. For big problems, only God can help you through it. I can be blasted with bad news all day and shake it off because ultimately I know that He is in control. Humans need more than life hacks and cognitive tricks to get through difficulty.
 

DeWoken

Newbie
If you're going to spend time using a screen watch uplifting and comedic media. Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm always puts me in a good mood. Ya I know they're jews whatever it's funny. Home Improvement is also a light uplifting show. Married with Children. Just get a solid VPN if you're going to download them.
A wise Chinese dude, Andre Wang-Lin, recommended the show "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" as a Seinfeld alternative - it's with White people instead of Jews. I enjoyed a couple seasons. History can be a good diversion. But I'm finding myself more news addicted since all this kicked off.

I feel that now as a straight normal thinking white man in America is equivalent to being in one of the layers of Dante's inferno.

I've also quit drinking and porno, ditched my smartphone, won't frequent restaurants and I can't even go to church and pray. My hope is that through faith, stoicism, asceticism and God we'll get through this dark time. Monk mode activated to 100%.
Right on. :like:
 
If you're feeling depressed and this applies to everyone because this is a stressful time, there are solutions.

Find where masks aren't mandatory, even if you have to take a weekend trip out of state. I did this a few weekends ago with a friend. Sure, we saw maybe 2 with masks. However it was a very cool time. We had a few beers at a little seaside bar, ate, walked around, fished. It was COMPLETELY NORMAL.

If you cant do that, start a vegetable garden and leave your phone inside. Learn about how to maximize yield and about what's native in your area. Grow it. By yourself or with children, this activity is rejuvenating.

If you can't do that, many larger preserves and parks in our area are empty. I went hiking with a friend recently and saw no one.

If you can't do that, invite your guy friends over for beers or horseshoes. Anything easy. We've been doing this with 5 dudes and it's a blast.
 
The Nuremberg code isn't law. The relevant law, at the federal level, would be 45 CFR part 46, Subparts A and D. The test for informed consent would probably be to question if
a) it's a medical procedure (no) or
b) it's research (no) or
c) it presents more than minimal risk (maybe)

If they make the argument that for those where wearing a mask would be at risk medically that it's optional, then c) would probably be a No.

But you can always sue and see what happens. I think it would be a tough case to win, but maybe I'm wrong.
A mask is a apparatus that in this being mandated for the purpose of mitigating and preventing the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 which causes the disease COVID-19. Does that not make it a medical device requiring informed consent and the right to refuse? I agree with you if it was optional but it is a mandated requirement by a local school board.

Per Section 201(h) of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, a device is:
An instrument, apparatus, implement, machine, contrivance, implant, in vitro reagent, or other similar or related article, including a component part, or accessory which is:

2. intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, in man or other animals
 

Cobra

Ostrich
Gold Member
The Board of our midwestern suburb school district just voted for kids to be remote learning instead of going back to school!

Two of our kids are in honors and they are promising a whopping 40 minutes of live education PER WEEK!

We have nearby school districts that are giving parents a choice instead.

We are PISSED!

They asked for feedback and I'm going to give it to them. Anyone have some good talking points I can use for that response? There aren't too many direct sources I can use because google searches and everything else out there has been infested with left wing propaganda unfortunately.
Figured I would provide an update and maybe a reference point for other fathers here that are worried about "next steps" in the schooling culture within the USA!

Earlier, I worded my post wrong! The Board DID NOT vote. It was a proposal by the school administrators that was shown off around the district through social media and local media and feedback was requested, at which time I made my original post! It was to be voted on last week at the regularly scheduled Board Meeting. Naturally, many parents were interested and many attended the meeting

I provided feedback and so did 1,800 parents in our district, lot of them harpies and left wingers that subscribe to the 100% remote learning concept. The fact that this plan was already out there and social media was full of support for it made us less than hopeful! That said, my feedback included references and links to the Academy of American Pediatrics' (AAP) guidance [https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2...ons-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/] as well as references to other districts' plans which have decided to open up in person with a hybrid plan.

So we watched the meeting as well on live stream in Youtube....I kept hearing the Board members vote Yes to this shitty remote learning plan and in comes.......BOOOOM...

.....A board member with BALLS! Went through the entire set of reasoning that I (and likely others) had in our feedback. Then kind of like dominoes the remaining 2 board members also vote no. To give you some context, one of the board members in support of remote learning (short haired older woman) said something along the lines of "This sounds harsh but teachers are there to educate your kids, not babysit them." That didn't go well!

Anyways, long story short, the resolution for remote learning DID NOT PASS. So they are back to the drawing board. Yesterday, we had the Teacher's Union out there protesting on the local news station and I hear they are likely going to put "sheep's clothing" around the same plan and peddle it to us again. I hope the based board member and his supporters hold strong....

That all said, I just showed you what's happening locally in my district BUT this appears to be happening everywhere. Essentially a hybrid/remote plan is already approved by the Board and then in comes the Teacher's Union to shit all over it.

I'd love to get others' perspective..
 

Max Roscoe

Woodpecker
Now is a great time to try a new hobby.
Connecting with God is important, of course, but I find it difficult at times when I'm barred from attending church.
Fortunately there is plenty of content online.
So much beautiful music and art was created to glorify God. It's all available with a few keystrokes at your beckoning.

I've been spending every evening on my back porch, listening to a portable bluetooth radio, and watching the birds for an hour or two. Classical music, a dissident podcast, a comedy program, religious talk, old William Luther Pierce broadcasts, an instructional talk on a hobby (gardening, cooking, photography, etc.)

It's important to keep occupied, or you can easily become depressed, or driven to look at pornography.
Start a new hobby.
Gardening is great, and extremely useful.
You can always explore your horizons with cooking. Get a cookbook and try some new dishes.
Practice art, photography, music, etc.
Watch a documentary.
Build or make something.
Consume comedy content to lift your spirits.
I play one or two video games, one with a group chat from some guys I've become friends with.

I just purchased a drone this week and fly it around a bit every day. I met a group of potheads and a girl walking by commented on the beautiful sunset last night as I was flying around at dusk.

Just take advantage of the free time we have and explore a new hobby. Easier said than done. I am having my own struggles. Personally, interacting publicly with anyone masked is the worst thing to do for my happiness and sanity.
 

BigFellow

Sparrow
I feel that now as a straight normal thinking white man in America is equivalent to being in one of the layers of Dante's inferno.

I've also quit drinking and porno, ditched my smartphone, won't frequent restaurants and I can't even go to church and pray. My hope is that through faith, stoicism, asceticism and God we'll get through this dark time. Monk mode activated to 100%.
Good for you for ditching your smartphone. I have ditched mine as well.
 

Muscovite

Pigeon
Good for you for ditching your smartphone. I have ditched mine as well.
Ditching my smartphone is something I’m seriously considering. I remember Roosh saying he was also thinking about doing it.

One issue is that, where I live, they make it hard to switch tariffs to a call/sms plan. They basically don’t offer such plans now. Every package has unlimited internet and calls, but even on that plan you have to pay for sms messages.

It would be nice though to drop the phone in a lake or somewhere and forget about it.
 

acco

Woodpecker
where I live, they make it hard to switch tariffs to a call/sms plan. They basically don’t offer such plans now. Every package has unlimited internet and calls, but even on that plan you have to pay for sms messages.
My current plan is:
6 ct per call/SMS
I loaded my flip phone with 10 € two years ago.
I feel free!
 

paninaro

Kingfisher
A mask is a apparatus that in this being mandated for the purpose of mitigating and preventing the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 which causes the disease COVID-19. Does that not make it a medical device requiring informed consent and the right to refuse? I agree with you if it was optional but it is a mandated requirement by a local school board.

Per Section 201(h) of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, a device is:
An instrument, apparatus, implement, machine, contrivance, implant, in vitro reagent, or other similar or related article, including a component part, or accessory which is:

2. intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, in man or other animals
It looks like the FDA did issue guidance about when masks are regulated under Section 201(h) or not:

Here's the relevant section:

Face masks, face shields, and N95 respirators are devices when they meet the definition of a device set forth in section 201(h) of the FD&C Act. Under section 201(h) of the FD&C Act, these products are devices when they are intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease. Other face masks, face shields, and FFRs are marketed to the general public for general, non-medical purposes, such as use in construction and other industrial applications. Because they are not intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, FDA device marketing authorization is not required, and all the other requirements of the FD&C Act do not apply to manufacturers, importers, and distributors of these products.
So I think a standard face mask could be considered covered under 201(h), but the next question is -- is informed consent required? For example, people don't sign informed consent to have a band-aid placed on their cut from a company's first aid kit. In this case, the person wearing the face mask is putting it on themselves, not having someone else put it on, so there's no other party involved to collect consent.

Schools are a more interesting case. They have fairly broad latitude to set policies, for example they have a dress code that they enforce. I guess they could just include an informed consent in the enrollment forms if they really wanted to.
 
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