Resisting against coronavirus laws

Seadog

Kingfisher

I feel like I'm living in the USSR. I have no idea who to trust any more or where the truth lay. When you get counts from here or Berlin where the difference is off by a factor of 100-1000, what are you supposed to believe? it like a cop saying you were doing 5000km/hr over the limit when you were doing 10. Not same ballpark, not same league, not same sport. The difference between a heavy foot and a ballistic missile. I'm anti-mask, but not militantly, so consequently I look at the numbers of 100k in Montreal, or a million in Berlin with equal skepticism as the quotes of "a few hundred" or "17k". Both sides seem to be driven by an agenda moreso than the search for and reporting of truth. Fake news in every direction.

I don't get why things like this or global warming, things that should be tackled by rational, logical science have gotten so emotional and politicized. Forget where I read it, but they said left or right, no one takes a stance against gravity, so why with all these other things?
 

Roosh

Cardinal
I'm on an incredible run. Probably 15+ visits in a row to the store without having to put on a mask. I haven't been yelled at in weeks. Today I got bold and left my mask in the car before going into Home Depot, and no one said anything. And yet compliance is still so high that I am the only one who doesn't wear one. Very strange.
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
What I'm getting from all this, is that it's the coward who's been emboldened to act like a tinpot dictator.
This is his chance to shine, until the day comes when he morphs back to his former self.
As well, we could all do our part by making these people's life as uncomfortable as possible by, for example,
casing out where they park their car - if you know what I mean.

Or you could try mortifying your own ego and consider that, in times of unprecedented social upheaval, that other people have the right to be afraid, and any viewing of others as 'sheep' or 'cowards' is you making a rash judgment about them based upon sensible perceptions and your own pride. I remember when my Mother was undergoing Chemo and how careful I had to be when attending Doctors surgeries or Pharmacies about picking up any potential infection. Was I a coward for wearing a mask? Who is this 'chink' looking after at home? Is he the sole remaining income stream for his family, since everyone else lost their jobs? Has someone he loved already died from Covid? Dealing with all this, is he lashing out at people he sees for being very foolish, rather than 'brave'? And even if he was acting emotionally, do you then have the right to retaliate against him to dispense what you see as the justice he 'deserves'?

How do you know the situation of a stranger, really?

I had no idea of what I was dealing with back when I was incredibly-sick in March / April, but I gave up my fate to God, and my concerns immediately were about protecting others around, so I self-isolated for three weeks, choosing to offer my illness up to God for the salvation of souls, until it passed.

Even now, despite obviously-having had this, and with every available medical service unable and uninterested in providing me the testing to show any evidence of having antibodies in my bloodstream, I still will choose to wear a mask when they're required, to put concern for other people's fear and discomfort ahead of my own will, thereby loving them ahead of myself, as true charity requires. This also means I draw no unnecessary attention to myself and am invisible to the world, a large part of which is actively-looking for trouble because they don't have their sensible emotions under control.

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Useful advice from St Paul to the Thessalonians: "Live quietly and mind your own business".

Someone asked me a while ago what is the breaking point for 'fighting back'. I saw this yesterday reading St John of the Cross, speaking about how to very quickly reach perfection:

You should live in the Monastery as if no-one else were in it. And thus, you should never, by word or thought, meddle in things that happen in the community, nor with individuals in it, desiring not to notice their good or bad qualities and conduct. And in order to preserve your tranquility of soul, even if the whole world crumbles, you should not desire to avert this or interfere.

... which is pretty much where I am. There's very much the reality of God's Permissive Will taking place around us at all times, and what seems like a system of oppression and hardship is just as likely a necessary healing of society in His eyes.
 

ABeast

Robin
There's very much the reality of God's Permissive Will taking place around us at all times, and what seems like a system of oppression and hardship is just as likely a necessary healing of society in His eyes.
How do we know that God doesn't require us to act against the rising power of the medical establishment? It sure looks like a false idol to me and the insane priorities that put life extension above all else are an abomination of the Faith.
 

EndlessGravity

Kingfisher
I still will choose to wear a mask when they're required, to put concern for other people's fear and discomfort ahead of my own will, thereby loving them ahead of myself, as true charity requires.

Do you believe your situation, including your response to it, is the exception or the norm? How are you not encouraging, through participation, a movement of extreme fear in our society, one my children are being subject to? Rest assured it's having an effect of them. Do you believe this will all go away soon enough or escalate?
 

Pendleton

Kingfisher
In my state it is legally required to wear a mask in indoor places. When I go grocery shopping lately I've started pushing it halfway down my face so I can breathe through my nose. No one seems to notice or care.

This is the case in Japan as well. The wearing of the wask is more of a quasireligious community ritual to ward off disease than any sort of rational and methodical attempt to address the spread of viruses. People wear them when walking outside, where they are useless. They wear them with their noses uncovered. Their hands are constantly on their faces, touching their nose through the mask, rubbing their eyes. Entering the subway yesterday, I saw a line of people with their masks all pulled down, vigorously mopping sweat and snot from their faces with their bare hands, which they will then smear on every public surface.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
AnonymousBosch is not incorrect. I see his response as something a monastic would do. You will not be punished by God if you endure and suffer any trial given to you. But beware that it is a slippery slope to not cause people "fear and discomfort." Many universities will say that your politically incorrect opinion makes them feel "unsafe". It's hard for me to accept trying to satisfy atheists and their irrational beliefs by duplicating their behaviors.

I have chosen to resist the face mask. I pray on it frequently. I ask God to forgive any resistance I perform that is unrighteous, and to teach me resistance that is righteous. Once we see what's coming after the mask, I hope we can look back to this sort of discussion with quaint nostalgia.
 

andy dufresne

Kingfisher
I've heard many people use the wear the masks out of 'respect' argument. If this covid stuff ACTUALLY was more than a flu then by all means. Where is the respect from the a$$holes on TV constantly peddling fear porn? Where is the respect for the elderly....the people that are being most abused, are most susceptible and are being used as the primary pawns in this game? Where is the respect from that genocidal monster Gates? If anything not wearing a mask shows

- Someone is not afraid
- Someone does not comply with nonsense
- Someone will breath the fresh air and not be dead tomorrow
- Someone will not fail this games initial 'shit test'

Today while grocery shopping I was half masking and then I saw a full non masker walk brazenly in. I immediately yanked mine off and gave him a thumbs up. Didn't get called out.

We must not COMPLY to lies. At least that is where my prayers have lead me.
 

paninaro

Kingfisher
AnonymousBosch is not incorrect. I see his response as something a monastic would do. You will not be punished by God if you endure and suffer any trial given to you. But beware that it is a slippery slope to not cause people "fear and discomfort." Many universities will say that your politically incorrect opinion makes them feel "unsafe". It's hard for me to accept trying to satisfy atheists and their irrational beliefs by duplicating their behaviors.

How are you sure it's only atheists enforcing or wearing masks? I've been in the store and saw a priest wearing one.
 

NY Digital

Pelican
Gold Member
Today while grocery shopping I was half masking and then I saw a full non masker walk brazenly in. I immediately yanked mine off and gave him a thumbs up. Didn't get called out.

We must not COMPLY to lies. At least that is where my prayers have lead me.

This. Mandates are working because of social compliance.

When you have people not complying, it forms a new kind of "social compliance".

If other people see you not fearing and doom and glooming, it can set off a positive chain reaction of non-compliance to the norm.

You're more comfortable when what you're doing seems normal to others as well. Very important on that last part.
 
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