Rick & Morty: A Modern Tale Of An Alcoholic And An Incipient Beta

[Mochihunter]

I thought I heard it elsewhere. I thought it was Tyson during the roast as well. Maybe he stole the joke.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Saw someone's detailed reasoning that this Harmon 'story circle' is as much applicable to the seasons of the show as it is to individual characters.
So season three being 'step 3'.
Would be part of the reason why it's not at the same level, not of the same style as the first two.

Which hopefully means this step of being a 'threshold' is only temporary & hopefully the seasons to come, improve from here.

 

[BortimusPrime]

Saw someone's detailed reasoning that this Harmon 'story circle' is as much applicable to the seasons of the show as it is to individual characters.
So season three being 'step 3'.
Would be part of the reason why it's not at the same level, not of the same style as the first two.

Which hopefully means this step of being a 'threshold' is only temporary & hopefully the seasons to come, improve from here.

So then would that make Rick the hero, with his desire to take over the family?

 

[Benoit]

Then in the last episode, she went ballistic on him for breaking up with her.

What is the result?
As the after credit scene shows, Morty cronenberged Ethan.

Because he totally was the one that did something wrong here, right.
:dodgy:

This is a perfect example of a female revenge fantasy. Someone else (a man) does all the work for her.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I think that the show - while written by competent writers who have humor - is successful for reasons that they are not fully aware of why. It is like The Matrix movie where the creators had a completely different understanding and ideology about it - and the people loved it for something else.

In this case the reason for the popularity is the very unlimited universe, the whiff of ultimate freedom - of exploration - all with humor. Also it wasn't too social justice feminist for now, which is a break from the bullshit they fill every nook and cranny. The concept is good enough to last 9 seasons, but the crappy politics and viewpoints of the creators will shine through ever more.

That last part of Morty virtually killing/deforming that young man who just preferred to get himself a hotter girlfriend - that is one of the darkest and most evil aspects of the show so far. But who is surprised when life is as devalued as that in the concept of moral relativity, atheism and infinite universes and infinite versions of yourself?

 

[Aurini]

After I learned of what massive leftists Harmon and Roiland are I was genuinely shocked at how palatable the show was for me. Never would have guessed it after the first two seasons.

Riffing off of this and AB's points.

Well written stories will often contain more truth than the author realizes - than the author is even aware of. Prior to these revelations about the creative team, I was hoping the series was moving towards the point of realizing what a terrible human being Rick truly is.

He's the smartest man who's ever lived, but instead of helping others, he sows destruction in his wake. He ruins every planet he visit, every woman he dates, and ultimately ruins his children and grandchildren. At his core, he's a selfish alcoholic and his supposed intelligence is nothing but a conceit; ultimately, he's an idiot.

There are still seeds of this in the series; Beth's abusive behaviour towards her children, even Morty's White Knighting as an unhealthy response to try and be "masculine" when his only role model is a drunk. I loved the show for the darker reflections of myself I can see in it - the forewarning about where alcoholism leads. Others seem to think that Rick is a positive example to follow - and I'd include the creator in that group.

The perfect ending to the series would have been Rick waking up in a hospital bed, dying of liver cirrhosis, with his family all around him - suffering because of him, but nowhere near as pathetic and lacking in agency as he pretended they were. All of the Super Science would have turned out to be nothing but drunken hallucinations. A pathetic death for a pathetic man.

Instead, the natural ending will be replaced with some sort of "happily ever after" that defies all credibility. It's a shame.

 

[YoungBlade]

Interesting contrast:

Ethan does the honest and honorable thing and officially breaks up with Summer because he wants to start dating another girl (with the big tits).

Now, a few episodes ago Summer fucked Hemorrhage aka Chad Thunderdome in Mad Max world, and basically married and moved in with him.
All while still in a relationship with Ethan, apparently.

Then in the last episode, she went ballistic on him for breaking up with her.

What is the result?
As the after credit scene shows, Morty cronenberged Ethan.

Because he totally was the one that did something wrong here, right.
:dodgy:

I missed the post credit scene. I guess what we're seeing is typical white knight thinking, bad writing or a combination of both. It's as slight possibility that the creators of the show want to show the kids's instability is starting to grow due to Rick's adventures. I doubt that's the case though.

On a side not, did any of you guys know that there is a Rick and Morty porn parody. It's of Mr. Meeseeks teaching Summer how to gave a proper blowjob. It's pretty comical.

WHY IS HIS DICK SIDEWAYS?!

 

[CynicalContrarian]

...He's the smartest man who's ever lived, but instead of helping others, he sows destruction in his wake. He ruins every planet he visit, every woman he dates, and ultimately ruins his children and grandchildren. At his core, he's a selfish alcoholic and his supposed intelligence is nothing but a conceit; ultimately, he's an idiot...

Whether intentional or not on the part of Harmon & Roiland. I place Rick at a Joker-esque level of "super-sanity".

Having an intelligence that is able to see or point out the pointlessness of it all or being able to demonstrate that nothing physical is sacred & being able to view reality from such a grand scale, that most of it is merely a joke.
Hence Rick's nihilism, which isn't merely derived from the human level / condition, but further exacerbated by being able to see & manipulate multiple timelines / dimensions.

 

[Alpharius]

Interesting contrast:

Ethan does the honest and honorable thing and officially breaks up with Summer because he wants to start dating another girl (with the big tits).

Now, a few episodes ago Summer fucked Hemorrhage aka Chad Thunderdome in Mad Max world, and basically married and moved in with him.
All while still in a relationship with Ethan, apparently.

Then in the last episode, she went ballistic on him for breaking up with her.

What is the result?
As the after credit scene shows, Morty cronenberged Ethan.

Because he totally was the one that did something wrong here, right.
:dodgy:

I missed the post credit scene. I guess what we're seeing is typical white knight thinking, bad writing or a combination of both. It's as slight possibility that the creators of the show want to show the kids's instability is starting to grow due to Rick's adventures. I doubt that's the case though.

On a side not, did any of you guys know that there is a Rick and Morty porn parody. It's of Mr. Meeseeks teaching Summer how to gave a proper blowjob. It's pretty comical.

WHY IS HIS DICK SIDEWAYS?!

Again...

 

[Belgrano]

Great episode, with lots of easter eggs.
Also, mermaid puss! Morty probably got the one with the fish head though.

And let's not forget that one:

 

[cascadecombo]

After I learned of what massive leftists Harmon and Roiland are I was genuinely shocked at how palatable the show was for me. Never would have guessed it after the first two seasons.

Riffing off of this and AB's points.

Well written stories will often contain more truth than the author realizes - than the author is even aware of. Prior to these revelations about the creative team, I was hoping the series was moving towards the point of realizing what a terrible human being Rick truly is.

He's the smartest man who's ever lived, but instead of helping others, he sows destruction in his wake. He ruins every planet he visit, every woman he dates, and ultimately ruins his children and grandchildren. At his core, he's a selfish alcoholic and his supposed intelligence is nothing but a conceit; ultimately, he's an idiot.

There are still seeds of this in the series; Beth's abusive behaviour towards her children, even Morty's White Knighting as an unhealthy response to try and be "masculine" when his only role model is a drunk. I loved the show for the darker reflections of myself I can see in it - the forewarning about where alcoholism leads. Others seem to think that Rick is a positive example to follow - and I'd include the creator in that group.

The perfect ending to the series would have been Rick waking up in a hospital bed, dying of liver cirrhosis, with his family all around him - suffering because of him, but nowhere near as pathetic and lacking in agency as he pretended they were. All of the Super Science would have turned out to be nothing but drunken hallucinations. A pathetic death for a pathetic man.

Instead, the natural ending will be replaced with some sort of "happily ever after" that defies all credibility. It's a shame.

That reads as some weird sort of social justice porn.

 

[DarkTriad]

I think that the show - while written by competent writers who have humor - is successful for reasons that they are not fully aware of why. It is like The Matrix movie where the creators had a completely different understanding and ideology about it - and the people loved it for something else.

In this case the reason for the popularity is the very unlimited universe, the whiff of ultimate freedom - of exploration - all with humor. Also it wasn't too social justice feminist for now, which is a break from the bullshit they fill every nook and cranny. The concept is good enough to last 9 seasons, but the crappy politics and viewpoints of the creators will shine through ever more.

That last part of Morty virtually killing/deforming that young man who just preferred to get himself a hotter girlfriend - that is one of the darkest and most evil aspects of the show so far. But who is surprised when life is as devalued as that in the concept of moral relativity, atheism and infinite universes and infinite versions of yourself?

Imagine the outcry if Morty went around Cronenberging every girl that flaked on a guy he knew? This really was ugly, and obviously the product of the SJW female writers they just hired. Essentially horrific mutilation is the appropriate response to "body shaming" i.e. liking a girl with bigger tits.

 

[Mochihunter]

After I learned of what massive leftists Harmon and Roiland are I was genuinely shocked at how palatable the show was for me. Never would have guessed it after the first two seasons.

Riffing off of this and AB's points.

Well written stories will often contain more truth than the author realizes - than the author is even aware of. Prior to these revelations about the creative team, I was hoping the series was moving towards the point of realizing what a terrible human being Rick truly is.

He's the smartest man who's ever lived, but instead of helping others, he sows destruction in his wake. He ruins every planet he visit, every woman he dates, and ultimately ruins his children and grandchildren. At his core, he's a selfish alcoholic and his supposed intelligence is nothing but a conceit; ultimately, he's an idiot.

There are still seeds of this in the series; Beth's abusive behaviour towards her children, even Morty's White Knighting as an unhealthy response to try and be "masculine" when his only role model is a drunk. I loved the show for the darker reflections of myself I can see in it - the forewarning about where alcoholism leads. Others seem to think that Rick is a positive example to follow - and I'd include the creator in that group.

The perfect ending to the series would have been Rick waking up in a hospital bed, dying of liver cirrhosis, with his family all around him - suffering because of him, but nowhere near as pathetic and lacking in agency as he pretended they were. All of the Super Science would have turned out to be nothing but drunken hallucinations. A pathetic death for a pathetic man.

Instead, the natural ending will be replaced with some sort of "happily ever after" that defies all credibility. It's a shame.

That reads as some weird sort of social justice porn.

I'm not a fan of that rendition either. It reminds me of whenever someone does their own rendering a story and it always being the fight club he had split personality ending. These things have been done and usually only work once.

What did you guys think of the most recent episode? As someone who studied the useless major of English in college it's damn near impossible for me to not see allegorical elements in things even when I don't want to. The whole episode I was just stuck like, why would the literal smartest man in the universe volunteer to go to the citadel to be ordinary? Probably the best episode in the season though.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

...What did you guys think of the most recent episode? As someone who studied the useless major of English in college it's damn near impossible for me to not see allegorical elements in things even when I don't want to. The whole episode I was just stuck like, why would the literal smartest man in the universe volunteer to go to the citadel to be ordinary? Probably the best episode in the season though.

The Citadel Of Ricks :


Many time-lines / universes have a Rick. Yet not all Rick's are the same & C137 Rick is more Rick than most.

Plus, even in the most egalitarian, utopian society. Without robotics..., some poor schmuck has to be the one to pick up the garbage...

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

...What did you guys think of the most recent episode? As someone who studied the useless major of English in college it's damn near impossible for me to not see allegorical elements in things even when I don't want to. The whole episode I was just stuck like, why would the literal smartest man in the universe volunteer to go to the citadel to be ordinary? Probably the best episode in the season though.

The Citadel Of Ricks :


Many time-lines / universes have a Rick. Yet not all Rick's are the same & C137 Rick is more Rick than most.

Plus, even in the most egalitarian, utopian society. Without robotics..., some poor schmuck has to be the one to pick up the garbage...

The episode is fun, but of course trash collector Rick and conveyor belt worker Rick are utterly ridiculous positions.

So the smartest guy in the world with technology from the year 3000 has to press buttons on a Ford factory like industrial belt? It's funny for sure, but not realistic. It would be all mechanized. He built a robot for passing on butter and the defensive capacity of his ship is more intelligent than anything that you can do manually.

No - any manual labor would be out and done, but it would not be as much fun to see all Ricks doing fun things or having a great time at the Citadel.

Also I might point out - Rick would be a billionaire in pretty much any Earth configuration. The gap in his abilities and current day Earth tech is too big. He could give our Earth 0,1% of what he does and would still end up being worth 10-100 bio. $. But that again would not be much fun either.

It's a show guys - no reason to think more about it.

Still - no big studio would have made the show, because it breaks a few globalist rules they have for current day fiction.

 

[Aurini]

That reads as some weird sort of social justice porn.

Justice and Social Justice both have elements of retribution in them, but it doesn't equivocate them. The former is based upon what you have done; the latter is based upon who you are.

All comedy is based upon suffering, and the source of suffering in Rick and Morty is largely Rick himself (you could possibly displace this core onto the Galactic Federation, and have them be responsible for Rick's alcoholism, but that's reaching); this makes for great comedy, but there's a moral debt left in the balance. Should the rest of the family just sit there and smile when it's all over, patting Rick on the back, even though he's been a destructive element in their lives for 7 years?

That said, I tend to prefer tragedies to comedies (in the Shakespearean sense), I've never laughed harder than at the end of Titus Andronicus. So it might just be my own personal taste.

 

[BortimusPrime]

The episode is fun, but of course trash collector Rick and conveyor belt worker Rick are utterly ridiculous positions.

So the smartest guy in the world with technology from the year 3000 has to press buttons on a Ford factory like industrial belt? It's funny for sure, but not realistic. It would be all mechanized. He built a robot for passing on butter and the defensive capacity of his ship is more intelligent than anything that you can do manually.

No - any manual labor would be out and done, but it would not be as much fun to see all Ricks doing fun things or having a great time at the Citadel.

Except Rick hates himself, and thus a society of Ricks that hate all the other Ricks is going to tend towards inequality rather than any sort of utopia. Notice in the episode that the most well-adjusted non-asshole Ricks are actually the ones doing the shittiest jobs. (Simple Rick, the Cop Rick side story, etc.) I interpreted that as being that the sociopathic Ricks in charge either went out of their way to try and make the mentally healthy Ricks miserable, or that by virtue of the sociopaths running things only other socipaths could get ahead in that society.

 

[YoungBlade]

 

[Alpharius]

The episode is fun, but of course trash collector Rick and conveyor belt worker Rick are utterly ridiculous positions.

So the smartest guy in the world with technology from the year 3000 has to press buttons on a Ford factory like industrial belt? It's funny for sure, but not realistic. It would be all mechanized. He built a robot for passing on butter and the defensive capacity of his ship is more intelligent than anything that you can do manually.

No - any manual labor would be out and done, but it would not be as much fun to see all Ricks doing fun things or having a great time at the Citadel.

Also I might point out - Rick would be a billionaire in pretty much any Earth configuration. The gap in his abilities and current day Earth tech is too big. He could give our Earth 0,1% of what he does and would still end up being worth 10-100 bio. $. But that again would not be much fun either.

It's a show guys - no reason to think more about it.

Still - no big studio would have made the show, because it breaks a few globalist rules they have for current day fiction.

Rick C-137 built a robot for passing butter, and he's the rickiest of all the Ricks. Other Ricks pale in comparison to the Rick we know best, so it stands to reason that they may not be as genre savvy, capable, anti-authoritarian, or intelligent.

I really want to know what's going to happen with Evil Morty. A showdown between C-137 Morty and Evil Morty? Does our Morty become the evil one? So many questions!

 

[AnonymousBosch]

As psychologically-predicted, if you disagree with Social Justice / Reform Judaism, then Dan Harmon hates you:

"I was familiar going into the third season, having talked to Felicia Day, that any high-profile women get doxxed, they get harassed, they get threatened, they get slandered. And part of it is a testosterone-based subculture patting themselves on the back for trolling these women. Because to the extent that you get can get a girl to shriek about a frog you’ve proven girls are girly and there’s no crime in assaulting her with a frog because it’s all in the name of proving something. I think it’s all disgusting."

He then went on to discuss how much it frustrates him to know that people like this watch his show:

"These knobs, that want to protect the content they think they own—and somehow combine that with their need to be proud of something they have, which is often only their race or gender. It’s offensive to me as someone who was born male and white, and still works way harder than them, that there’s some white male [fan out there] trying to further some creepy agenda by ‘protecting’ my work. I’ve made no bones about the fact that I loathe these people. It fucking sucks. And the only thing I can say is if you’re lucky enough to make a show that is really good that people like, that means some bad people are going to like it too. You can’t just insist that everybody who watches your show get their head on straight … And I’m speaking for myself—I don’t want the show to have a political stance. But at the same time, individually, these [harassers] aren’t politicians and don’t represent politics. They represent some shit that I probably believed when I was 15."

Similarly, the worldview of 'Rick and Morty' - le 'edgy' nihilism; violence for violence's sake; all relationships are dysfunctional; I'm far more intelligent than everyone else; all heroes are flawed; believing constantly-referencing the pop culture garbage I'd consumed was knowledge to be admired; anyone who disagrees with me is contemptible; and that people just can't handle my realtalk, maaaan - is something I believed when I was 12, and got the fuck over on my way to being a functional adult.

My girlfriend got it, after we tried a few episodes. "This is mean, isn't it? It makes me feel sad." This mirrors what my nephew said about why he stopped watching 'Adventure Time'. Progressive Creators thrive on spreading the emotional void within them outwards, like a creeping mist of sourness that chokes your lungs if you breath it in, and, well, I've seen forty-six years of this shit that used to be confined to the fringes, but is now the toxic, dominant culture, and I'm weary of it.

I think I can survive without watching an obese Gamma's cutting edge references to 'Stand By Me' and 'Mad Max'.