Right wingers, "conservative" ideas you reject?

[Mage]

Regarding abortion - I think a just solution would be like this:

For unmarried women - let them abort their babies if they want. I don't want to live with progeny of trash women anyway, they are likely to become nothing but criminals anyway. But do create a registry of women who have done this legal sin and make it accessible for any man who is considering marriage with them. If a man sees a woman has an abortion in her past he can eject the relationship with no cost and even sue for fraud if the woman has lied about her past.

For married women - an abortion is allowed only with the consent of her husband. Unless she was cheating it's his baby too. If the child is born and DNA test shows it is not from the husband - the husband can divorce cost free, no alimony no child support. The child is given to adoption.

Sadly out society is too immature for any serious discussion about proper rules on this issue. All we have is militant defenders of either complete ban on abortion or a complete license to abort ad nauseum. One side thinks about women's rights, onother about baby's rights, no one gives even a second long thought about father's rights.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This is a good recent vid about the so-called "right-wing/conservative" mainstream media. Something similar is going on with the so-called mainstream conservatives, who at best feign outrage, make some weak moral claims, but secretly are on board with every crap in the sun.

He points out that the conservative media works in 4 phased instead of 1 phase of instant acceptance vs stations like CNN. The mainstream media just as the mainstream cuckservatives are there to appear to give you a choice while in reality you don't have a choice - except for Trump and even there it's probably not fully revolutionary.

Phase 1: Outrage - but outrage without any solutions to it - transgender madness, homosexuality pushing, mass migration

Phase 2: Constant bombardment of the same news, so that the public gets used to it and actually begins to accept it as inevitable or normal - since no solutions are being offered

Phase 3: Compassion and guilt tripping of the Christian conservatives - those poor poor oppressed homosexuals, those poor misguided transgenders, those poor starving refugees who are constantly discriminated against

Phase4: Acceptance and pushing of the same crap as normal as with the far-left media - essentially the far left simply starts with Phase 3 and 4 while the conservative mainstream starts with Phase 1

How do you recognize real Alternatives? When the Alternative say: We need to march out as one with millions against it, we need to clobber schools with "no trannie propaganda crap" demands. We have to demand the deportation and stop to all mass migration, stop to all Muslim migration - instantly!

But note that the conservatives never say this - the maximum of their actions or opinions is outrage - then nothing.

That is why men like Trump got so much flak from both sides of the spectrum, that is why every media outlet and social media company is fighting tooth and nail against Le Pen, against the AFD, against the Swedish 2 real alternative parties, the Austrian Freedom party, against Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.

Or as they say now: The Conservatives haven't managed to conserve anything.

It was Reagan who signed the destructive no-fault divorce law, it was Reagan who offered the biggest amnesty back in the day, it was Bush who weaponized the diversity industry forcing banks to give mortgages to undeserving mostly Hispanic customers in order to get the Hispanic vote up to 44% (I'll buy you a house if you vote for me), it was Bush who blabbered on about Islam being a religion of peace etc.

Thus when I hear "conservative" nowadays I have to vomit slightly, because at least their leaders are anything but - they are just misleading the good people until they end up in the same dystopia.

 

[Sherman]

I am probably more of a European traditionalist. Areas where I differ with American conservatism are:

Gun Control.
I believe citizens should own guns, but to own a gun he should meet requirements including having extensive training and being of good character. I don't see the right of every clown to pack a gun as an inherently conservative position. I also have zero respect for vanity hunting like Donald Trump Jr. shooting big-horned sheep. It takes a small dick to shoot vegetarian sheep munching on grass. I believe that the Hermann Goring Hunting Laws of 1934 should be adopted as a model for ethical treatment of animals.

Science
The anti-science position of some religious conservatives is immature. Science is the highest achievement of western civilization (the rest of it is pretty crappy) and the only reason the West ended up dominating the world. The strongest reason to believe in science is because it is true and the ultimate red pill.

Religion
I have no problem with sensible Christianity for ordering American society, but personally think there are better alternatives. The European traditionalist Julius Evola wrote an excellent book on Buddhism demonstrating it as a model of traditionalism. Some of the most important scientists of the 20th century, such as Werner Heisenberg, have admitted to being influenced by Hindu logic in their development of quantum physics.

Foreign Policy
I believe that all the wars in the Middle East only serve the interests of the ruling classes. I believe that political Islam is destructive and needs to be defeated, but the US is actually the biggest supporter of radical Islam, for the simple reason that the US supports Saudi Arabia which spends millions of dollars exporting radical Islamic ideology all over the world. I disagree with Trump, in that we need to get off of fossil fuels now and move to solar energy. Oil wealth gives billions of dollars to tyrants that are still living in the Middle Ages.

Sex
I believe that Feminism and LGBT are destructive to society and need to be exterminated. But I also don't believe in "banging" women, because I am old enough to know the kind of shit life it will lead too. When I was growing up, the adult men around me were World War II veterans and they taught a high respect for women.

 

[Castelnau]

I think there should be more sympathy for your fellow citizens that are struggling financially. So for example when people denounce states for raising the federal minimum wage and gleefully report McDonalds is installing self-serve kiosks (as if they weren't going to do that anyway).

If you want to be a nationalist and patriot you can't just be for keeping out immigrants and owning libs you have to show some compassion for your fellow citizen even if they are a incompetent ugly low class fast food worker that gets your order wrong. I know raising the minimum wage can be counter-productive but just criticising people who want to do something and not offering any solutions is not acceptable. Same with single payer healthcare, how to help the homeless, college debts, etc, etc. A lot of conservatives just shrug and say government interference will lead to dependency. The average person may not buy SJW bullshit but they can get behind the idea that they're struggling financially and the rich are too rich.

Otto Von Bismark outflanked the german left by pre-emptively offering pensions and workers insurance. We already waste money anyway on stupid overseas wars and bases how about JUST ONCE we spend that money to help people financially even if it fails? Obviously the main problem is corruption and how to most effectively spend that money.

 

[godfather dust]

I think there should be more sympathy for your fellow citizens that are struggling financially. So for example when people denounce states for raising the federal minimum wage and gleefully report McDonalds is installing self-serve kiosks (as if they weren't going to do that anyway).

If you want to be a nationalist and patriot you can't just be for keeping out immigrants and owning libs you have to show some compassion for your fellow citizen even if they are a incompetent ugly low class fast food worker that gets your order wrong. I know raising the minimum wage can be counter-productive but just criticising people who want to do something and not offering any solutions is not acceptable. Same with single payer healthcare, how to help the homeless, college debts, etc, etc. A lot of conservatives just shrug and say government interference will lead to dependency. The average person may not buy SJW bullshit but they can get behind the idea that they're struggling financially and the rich are too rich.

Otto Von Bismark outflanked the german left by pre-emptively offering pensions and workers insurance. We already waste money anyway on stupid overseas wars and bases how about JUST ONCE we spend that money to help people financially even if it fails? Obviously the main problem is corruption and how to most effectively spend that money.

I agree to an extent in that people on the right often ONLY look at regulations and such that benefit poor people while pretending subsidies, government assisted monopolies, needless tax breaks, general corporate welfare does not exist because "free market blah blah blah" when it's not a free market it's a corporatist oligarchy.

I prefer the Trump approach over minimum wage hikes: try to bring back some decent paying jobs, such as manufacturing, and create new good paying jobs. A lot of the suffering of minimum wagers (when it's not a result of laziness, which it can be) is because the jobs they would have had 20 years ago putting them in the lower middle class do not exist.

 

[Parras]

I think there should be more sympathy for your fellow citizens that are struggling financially. So for example when people denounce states for raising the federal minimum wage and gleefully report McDonalds is installing self-serve kiosks (as if they weren't going to do that anyway).

If you want to be a nationalist and patriot you can't just be for keeping out immigrants and owning libs you have to show some compassion for your fellow citizen even if they are a incompetent ugly low class fast food worker that gets your order wrong. I know raising the minimum wage can be counter-productive but just criticising people who want to do something and not offering any solutions is not acceptable. Same with single payer healthcare, how to help the homeless, college debts, etc, etc. A lot of conservatives just shrug and say government interference will lead to dependency. The average person may not buy SJW bullshit but they can get behind the idea that they're struggling financially and the rich are too rich.

Otto Von Bismark outflanked the german left by pre-emptively offering pensions and workers insurance. We already waste money anyway on stupid overseas wars and bases how about JUST ONCE we spend that money to help people financially even if it fails? Obviously the main problem is corruption and how to most effectively spend that money.

This is what I have been saying all along.

And this is the reason why I feel Trump won.

Many people, especially his die-hard supporters don't like hearing this, but he won because he went full liberal on a lot of these issues.

-He was against TPP when everyone else in the Republican party was for it.
-He was against NAFTA because it fucked over American workers
-He was against cutting social security, Medicare, and Medicaid
-He was for infrastructure spending
-He was for a Universal Healthcare Plan

^^^^ Notice that these are the same issues that progressives like Bernie Sanders are for. These are all Bernie issues. This proves to me that the average American doesn't care for buzzwords like "small government" or "fiscal conservatism" or "we need to 'reform' social securiy" People aren't for small government when it comes to their healthcare, retirement, or social security. They don't want to see these programs cut, and that goes the same for a person living in New York city and a rancher living in Alabama.


Trump railing against TPP and NAFTA



Trump promises not to cut SS, Medicare, and Medicaid



Trump announces infrastructure spending

I like how he points at the Democrats as in to say "this is your idea"




Trump for universal health care

He had to change his position a little bit during the campaign, but you can see where his heart is. He believes America should have universal healthcare.






Trump. The perfect combination of a conservative populist on social issues and an Economic liberal is what won him the white house. He basically told average Americans that its ok to be a conservative and be for medicare, medicaid, social security and universal health care, and to be against the war in Iraq. Oh and also "fuck Muslims and Mexicans" , I'm Mexican and I aint even mad. Its good strategy.

Everyday conservatives are actually Liberal deep down. Who knew.

 

[Thomas More]

This point about Bismarck is quite apt. The elites have to offer some kind of social deal for the common people that will keep them farming, working in the factories, starting businesses, and supporting military foreign policy.

This is actually what socialism, fascism, Nazism, the New Deal, and the Great Society were about.

There are two gigantic provisos to this approach: you can't run the nation bankrupt, and you can't go full totalitarian police state. You never go full totalitarian police state.

So, what do you do if the social contract is failing, the nation is approaching bankruptcy, and you are starting to have totalitarian rules that were previous the subject of scorn and comedy in other countries?

1. Double down and go full totalitarian
2. Brilliantly rally all your remaining strengths, trump your international competitors economically and militarily, and grow/reform your way out of the current malaise (see what I did there)

Option 2 is the best. It's not easy, but there are numerous examples on history where is was tried, and some truly succeeded.

 

[stugatz]

I don't like the Pledge of Allegiance or standing for the flag at sporting events, it just comes across as needless when civilians have to do it. I also don't like this knee-jerk demand that we glorify all police and soldiers as heroes. Sure, both positions are needed, and sure, both are dangerous professions, but they're jobs with good benefits and a LOT of perks, and it isn't like nobody would ever want to take them. (Shit, in the latter, you get to travel free and actually have interesting stories when you get back - assuming you're not seeing major action and coming back scarred for life with PTSD.)

I'm not mad at Kapernick for kneeling and "disrespecting our soldiers", I'm just mad he's gone and politicized sports. He's telling a majority of his audience "I hate all of you, fuck you - oh, and you retards will have to watch me demonstrate, since I know you'll never give up sports." That's enough to make me stop watching.

 

[Trumpian]

Muh abortion cuckery. Minorities abort their babies at 5 times the rate whites do, with the difference being most pronounced in the most dysfunctional, democratic leaning segment of the minority population-ghetto blacks. Abortion is just about the most powerful demographic weapon we have, so I view anyone of the right who wishes to overturn Roe vs Wade or otherwise make abortion more difficult to procure as either a cuck or an idiot.

I told my bible banging hardcore Republican parents this once, and after a brief period of momentary shock, the reality of it sunk in and I haven't heard them talk much about abortion ever since lol.

I disagree with con-servatives on almost everything. Drugs, the Constitution, democracy, Israel, taxes (the elites in this country should get taxed into oblivion), muh military, muh gunz, free trade. It's all shit.

 

[godfather dust]

Muh abortion cuckery. Minorities abort their babies at 5 times the rate whites do, with the difference being most pronounced in the most dysfunctional, democratic leaning segment of the minority population-ghetto blacks. Abortion is just about the most powerful demographic weapon we have, so I view anyone of the right who wishes to overturn Roe vs Wade or otherwise make abortion more difficult to procure as either a cuck or an idiot.

I told my bible banging hardcore Republican parents this once, and after a brief period of momentary shock, the reality of it sunk in and I haven't heard them talk much about abortion ever since lol.

I disagree with con-servatives on almost everything. Drugs, the Constitution, democracy, Israel, taxes (the elites in this country should get taxed into oblivion), muh military, muh gunz, free trade. It's all shit.

Drugs are pretty damn bad for the most part but would decriminalize a few (tiny minority) of them. I wouldn't legalize any because I support those working in the drug industry, the lowest barrier of entry to becoming a genuine capitalist (that second line is a joke. Kind of)

Israel should be reduced to ashes but part of me thinks this is the Israel the Antichrist will reign from so it wouldn't be possible (but might as well try, I'm not an evangelical who thinks we can hold a gun to the Lord's head and make the Rapture happen on demand, mainly by assisting Israeli genocides, and making sure hundreds of thousands/millions of our soldiers come home in body bags.)

The constitution needs to be restored, most likely with guns. And fuck democracy, it's supposed to be a Republic, every idiot shouldn't be voting.

 

[Trumpian]

I'm pretty libertarian on drugs. It's incongruent to have legal tobocaaco and alcohol and not allow others.

Also, I don't see the OD epidemic as an issue. If youre too dumb to use recreational drugs responsibly or take shit like fetanyl, then we're all better off if you remove yourself from the genepool.

The Constitution will need to be shredded for there to be any chance of restoring America to it's former greatness.
It was written in a time where Europe was our greatest threat. That's how we developed retarded policies like birth right citizenship. We don't live in those times anymore.

I think many Trump supporters would be in favor of reversing all the chain migration citizens we've acquired. But that's not constitutional. Stocking the Rio Grande with alligators? Not constitutional. Sending death squads after ms-13 and cartel linked groups here? Not constitutional.

You need quasi fascism to get shit done. The Founding Fathers were revolutionaries at the time but a lot of shit changes in 300 years.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Plus - he is just making a political statement that is based on lies made up by the media and the left politics. The data simply does not support their claims. It's as if Serena Williams started to kneel for 1 minute before each match for the gender pay gap. The gender pay gap while constantly repeated is not real (not real for the oppression or patriarchy reasons they give you) - and it's certainly not real for overpaid sportsball pros.

 

[Richard Turpin]

It's bad and it's only getting worse. The state health service was set up by the left and like pensions was not set up in a sustainable way.

Very true.

The trouble with things like the NHS, Education and basically anything the government gets involved in, is mission creep. The NHS for example starts off with with very reasonable aims (fixing you up, delivering babies etc) but before you know it money is being spent on transgender surgery, cosmetic stuff for women, legal fees, and management consultants.

This article details how 7.6 BILLION a year is wasted;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4377250/How-NHS-wastes-7-6bn-year.html


I guess I'm 'on the right' (though left on some issues) but I believe in a NATIONAL Health Service (just not an 'international' one).

Also, every time some politician says we 'can't afford' something (like new baby incubators) I just think of all the money we give away each year in 'foreign aid'!! 13.4 BILLION a year!

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/

This includes £463 million to Pakistan!?? What the fuck for! £352 million to Syria. £235 million to Afghanistan!

India has long been the biggest recipient of 'aid'. Hundreds of millions of pounds of our precious money going to a country with their own Space program (which has recently sent a mission to Mars!). It also can afford Nuclear Weapons. As can Pakistan.

I'm not heartless, but I just don't get how we can give away our treasure elsewhere when we are struggling at home with many issues. It totally boils my piss.

So, I fully believe we can fund our NHS, and our pensions. If we did it right, like you say. There just isn't the will at the top to make the tough decisions. We need someone to just strike a few lines through things on the paper and say 'India? No way, they aren't getting that anymore (sorry India, but you do have more billionaires than the UK!). Transgender surgery, you say? You can pay for it yourself in future.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Because Western countries are owned by globalist masters who already consider themselves as the Owners of the Planet. What they are doing right now is just consolidating their control. To them it's just a money transfer from their province UK to their province in Pakistan and India.

The underlying machinations are what matters to them to attain their final goal of a Brave New One World Government that they can ultimately steer from afar. The West is just a piggy bank plus on the demographic extermination list since they might rebel against them some day, so they better make sure to make Whites all minorities in their homecountries while preaching compassion, Christian values of inclusion, open borders, individualism, more classical liberalism etc.

Problem is of course that the other side as well as the other Muslim and shitizen groups are not going to be ever classical liberalists.

There is enough money to pay for basic health care in the West - heck - if you allowed more for prevention, then there would be much more, but this is not about money. There is always money for refugees. Remember the stink that Germany made over the billions it had to pay for Greek debt? Literally one year later it all did not matter since Germany happily took in shitizens that cost them 100 bio. $/year easily (40 bio. $ that they admit to). So Germany took in obligations that will cost them more than the ENTIRE GREEK DEBT within 4-5 years! Suddenly money was no issue. So essentially Germany could have easily paid the entire principal payments and interest rate payments for Greeks and it would still be cheaper than accepting half the inbred terrorist rapists!

 

[ilostabet]

my biggest problem with conservatives is that they believe in democracy. this leads to flaws in their approach to most other issues:

- racial egalitarianism
- sexual egalitarianism
- lifestyle egalitarianism
etc


this is why they cuck on everything, because they are democrats, hence their principles are always tied to the majority view, whatever it may be. they say that leftists are the real racists, started already saying that leftists are the real homophobes, and soon they will be saying leftists are the real transphobes, pedophobes, etc. because of their democratic leanings, they refuse punish anti-social behavior, making society into a cesspool.

this democratic leaning is also visible in the current discussion in this thread over economics. it's either democratic socialism or democratic capitalism. I favor feudalism, which bypasses the lack of social responsibility and cooperation from capitalism and the dependency/totalitarianism of socialism.

 

[ChicagoFire]

YES!!!!

I've always wondered why Reagan was regarded as the "messiah" of the Republican party when that's essentially his track record. Only a retarded group of cuckersvatives would want to subvert President Trump with an anonymous group "Regan Battallion." HAHAHA!!!! Today we have California to deal with. I can name at least one older guy that says President Trump is better than Reagan.

Generally speaking the right is way too nice. I consider myself center right and I don't think I have much to add here except some proposed solutions:

Bust tech companies. Twitter, Facebook, and Google are leftist owned and they don't act like public utilities. If you go against the liberal narrative that we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya then you're punished. Jack Dorsey lied to Congress and should be thrown into jail.

A repatriation act. If anybody (esp. celebrities) want to complain about America sucking we will have funds to send you a one way ticket to a 3rd world country. I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing leftists complain about America while they sip on their designer martinis. Put up or shut up. Call it the STFU Act.

Media oversight boards. We have them for police so you bet your ass we will make sure as a journalist you're not making up some bull about WMDs, rapefugees, or how the banks are good people that deserve a bailout.

It was Reagan who signed the destructive no-fault divorce law, it was Reagan who offered the biggest amnesty back in the day, it was Bush who weaponized the diversity industry forcing banks to give mortgages to undeserving mostly Hispanic customers in order to get the Hispanic vote up to 44% (I'll buy you a house if you vote for me), it was Bush who blabbered on about Islam being a religion of peace etc.

 

[Sherman]

YES!!!!

I've always wondered why Reagan was regarded as the "messiah" of the Republican party when that's essentially his track record. Only a retarded group of cuckersvatives would want to subvert President Trump with an anonymous group "Regan Battallion." HAHAHA!!!! Today we have California to deal with. I can name at least one older guy that says President Trump is better than Reagan.

I voted for Reagan. The leftist media viciously attacked Reagan, even though he was always polite and never insulted anyone like Trump does. The mainstream Republican party also hated Reagan, just like they hated Trump, before he turned the whole thing around. It's the same behavior. Nothing changes.

 

[Trumpian]

Regean started amnesty for illegals. Enough said.

 

[godfather dust]

Yeah, when people say "best since Reagan" I shrug and think "yeah, I guess that's kind of alright, I suppose" but really we need "Trump's legacy makes Reagan look like Bill Clinton" for America to have a chance.

 

[Trumpian]

It's really not a surprise that boomer conservatives worship Reagan. He was senile, probably had full blown dementia in his 2nd term. But if you spit out enough patriotic slogans, they don't really care about effectiveness.