Right wingers, "conservative" ideas you reject?

[ChicagoFire]

^^

I'm not offending you Simeon but I will fact check you. I agree with the general sentiment that the "mainstream" solution of using wind and solar energy isn't sustainable and that (if you're right) there's real deal solutions that won't get released into the public. I vaguley remember the Nazis experimenting with all kinds of technology which probably would include anti-gravity. I talk from experience because I know some liberals that will "fact check" climate change and the result is it's accurate. No it isn't it's confirmation bias, unless of course you want to be regarded as a redneck. Populism is rising and an elite class that doesn't want to relinquish its standing would very well want to keep everybody down by keeping ground breaking technology hidden. I remember Tim Ferriss stating in 4 Hour Body that this is essentially the case where there's a hierarchy of information that's available to the elite and then it trickles down (if at all to the average joe). I've stated it in another topic but you're one of my favorite posters in the forum.

This is off topic re the thread but what's your opinion on saunas and how long to use them.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

^^

I'm not offending you Simeon but I will fact check you. I agree with the general sentiment that the "mainstream" solution of using wind and solar energy isn't sustainable and that (if you're right) there's real deal solutions that won't get released into the public. I vaguley remember the Nazis experimenting with all kinds of technology which probably would include anti-gravity. I talk from experience because I know some liberals that will "fact check" climate change and the result is it's accurate. No it isn't it's confirmation bias, unless of course you want to be regarded as a redneck. Populism is rising and an elite class that doesn't want to relinquish its standing would very well want to keep everybody down by keeping ground breaking technology hidden. I remember Tim Ferriss stating in 4 Hour Body that this is essentially the case where there's a hierarchy of information that's available to the elite and then it trickles down (if at all to the average joe). I've stated it in another topic but you're one of my favorite posters in the forum.

This is off topic re the thread but what's your opinion on saunas and how long to use them.

Global warming is beyond bias - it's batshit insane and about as scientific as the claims that you can be born in the wrong body or that men, women and all races are absolutely equal.



The hierarchy of information at the top regards real info. When they dish out propaganda for the masses, then it can start in crazy and be just backed by manipulated data - meanwhile squashing the opposition as "Climate Change Deniers".

No idea whether that sauna topic is serious. No idea. I personally don't care for saunas - prefer a heated pool outside best in the cold with a girl. That works better for R&R for me than sitting next to another sweating dude in a silent chamber.

I doubt your health depends on sauna usage. Ice water swimming and daily cold water showering is much more able to bolster your immune system.

 

[Thomas More]

Actually if there hadn't been a Reagan, there would have been a Trump much sooner.

It was neo-conservatives like Reagan who fooled the country into thinking we had a party that was at least trying to look out for native born Americans while their policies were no different than the Left, at least on the issues that matter (immigration, free trade, interventionism,etc)

Back when Reagan was president, our current concern with native born Americans was not an issue. People were opposed to illegal immigration, but the context was much different.

Almost nobody in that era foresaw the way the white percentage of the population would plummet in the near future, with all the leftists celebrating the rapid transition of the US into a non-white, non-christian country. Even the idea of neo-conservatives didn't exist. You can trace the roots of the neo-conservative movement in that era, but it didn't exist at that time.

Reagan was concerned with rolling back the New Deal and the Great Society, and with winning the Cold War. We don't think in these terms now, because he succeeded. We look back at Reagan now, and see the roots of our current problems, but they weren't really perceived at the time. He was fighting the battles of that time, and couldn't have foreseen how much things would change. Heck, the Cold War didn't even end until after he left office.

 

[Cobra]

I've been meaning to post a response. Just been busy. I was playing 90s Trivia at a local bar here in the midwest with mostly white people. The next table, all white people. We both picked the team name "You're Killing Me Smalls." I also have my son in the local cub scouts. It's 95% white. I'm brown/Indian/desi. I couldn't figure out if I was more white or they were just being brown. Not sure if this isn't enough.

As an immigrant son of immigrant parents that dropped their entire life and culture to move here in their middle age, just so their children could succeed, I have given everything I can to assimilate, serve this country and give back in other ways. I guess, maybe this isn't enough.

That Civic Nationalism will save us all.

Nah. I never would said that, as there is no saving. The western concoction of liberalism is too degenerate and cannibalistic for anything other than just nationalism saving it. I think this Civic Nationalism concept is just a fancy word for WRTs to separate nationalism into an artificial and purely subjective concept based on ethnicity and/or skin color, also known as race. In order to have a meaningful discussion on the concept of Nationalism, we need to explore character and its content regardless of race. I have known some "colored" guys that are bigger patriots than some white guys and vice versa. It's the same thing that IRTs do when they stay too close to their Indian/desi culture and refuse to open up to others solely because of their "race" or "ethnicity." I think it's toxic, personally.

That immigration from non-ethnic Europeans into Europe or the Anglosphere is good, as long as they're conservative.

I think we as Americans need to be very careful. Our country has been settled by different ethnicities historically. Europe may or may not have a similar historical pattern with different variables and factors.

I can speak for myself as an American when I say I'm against illegal as well as mass immigration of folks that show no potential of assimilation. We should talk about this more openly. Instead, if we base our conclusion solely on race and ethnicity and exclude those that may add more value to society, it becomes an amateur discussion and not a meaningful one.

That (Paul Watson tweet) "England is represented by a set of beliefs, values and traditions (classical liberalism), not skin colour or ethnic background."

That England will still be England when it's less than 50% British.

That as long as you speak the language and understand the culture, you can magically become German. Or Nigerian. Or Japanese.

I think becoming American or European through assimilation is very different from becoming Nigerian or Japanese. There are certain cultural components that can be absorbed in the western culture by immigrants that are almost impossible to absorb in other eastern cultures (e.g. trivia night, chilling with my local white neighbors and not thinking twice about race). Let's be honest. There are components of western culture, especially American that are hundreds of years old whereas the components of a lot of eastern cultures are much older, often times over thousands of years old. It's tougher to assimilate to the latter rather than former.

Coming back to the factor that the assimilation on one end is forced by the west itself, mostly due to the liberal nature of its culture. As labor demand for certain skills has grown in the US, it has forced more people to immigrate, let's say from India. While not all of them do assimilate, the numbers are closer than, say, white people moving to Nigeria. I'm just trying to separate emotion from facts.

Trust me, I'm the first one to point out an IRT because they make me look bad. Some have no desire to assimilate, traditional/conservative or not. I can't stand it.

That different groups of people, who evolved separately and isolated over the course of thousands and thousands of years, are all 100% the same with no differences between the groups of people at all.

That race and ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with what makes a region of the world the way it is.

I think there are absolutely differences but the cultural differences between a brown American vs European and a white American vs European are likely going to be negligible rather than significant. I'm talking about either assimilated individuals and/or individuals born in these countries.

I don't think it makes sense to say that an American brown guy (like myself) is going to have the same kind of experience as a Japanese white guy. Again, I explained above differences in cultures.

That immigration, of any kind whatsoever, is a God given right and that we must have immigration going on at all times.

I think immigration needs to be earned, not a god given right. So I agree with you here. I think immigration should be controlled and to be honest, I think immigrant men should serve the country in some way to pay back for the privilege.

That it's ok if Europe becomes 20% white, while Asia stays 99% Asian and Sub-Sahara Africa stays 99% black.

I don't know. I mean, are Irish people 100% white, vs Russians, Spaniards, white Mexicans? How do we determine who is white anymore? At least with America, I know it was settled by immigrants and developed by more immigrants. I'm not sure I follow how we draw a line in the sand. I'm happy to entertain perspectives or answers.

That said, of course I disagree with mass immigration of unskilled workers from third world countries. We need to separate this from responsible immigration, again, rather than separating based on race, which is again just amateur in my opinion.

That Europeans do not have a right to maintain a very stark or complete majority in their ancestral homelands.

I think in my opinion, everyone has a right to maintain their own culture but the moment. However, when we start discussing the "right" to maintain a majority, it's not taking into account the various economic and cultural factors in the west. Again, are we saying we should purge the west of all non-white individuals, including the ones that added immense value? I'm interested to know how in the world someone would get a very stark or complete majority without deporting people unfairly. The logic doesn't make sense to me because it's excluding a large part of the conservative population that should be part of the solution.

If Europeans in Europe and whites in the Anglosphere only want to have 1.4 kids per household, that we should just start having more babies to have a population race to "compete" with the non-whites who are popping out 6 kids per household.

This is an interesting one. Again, choices, choices, choices. If people make a choice not to reproduce as a product of liberal culture, I don't understand how that can be correlated with immigration being the reason things are going bad. The liberal culture in the west has been around before the recent 3rd world immigration. That said, this wave of immigration is a cause of liberal culture. You want to deport the immigrants? Fine, but to imply that this would somehow drastically or even significantly change that liberal culture of soy boy feminism and cuckishness, is fairly laughable at the very least. Liberal culture was created by the west. It's even exported from the west to conservative countries that would rather not have it. I don't blame them.

That whites, in terms of economics, should just "compete and focus on self-improvement" as The West imports millions and millions from the third world.

That whites in the Anglosphere and Europeans in Europe should just put our heads down and clean our rooms, at a time when groups like Black Lives Matter are being pushed to the forefront in America, while across the pond the Muslims clearly vote, live and work as a collective block over in Europe.

I've learned more about self-improvement from my white friends than my Indian ones. Most Indian guys don't give a shit and go the IRT route. However, these days, I see some lost white guys that turn to porn, female pedestalization and social media. I don't think mass immigration did that to them. Their own liberal culture and feminist agenda did. This has been written and talked about in the manosphere, especially by Roosh for the last 10 years. I'm not repeating anything new. There simply are just more WRTs today than there were a few years ago. Maybe they should hang out with the IRTs. There aren't relevant differences between the two.

Yes, I focused a lot on race and ethnicity here. That's the biggest problem that I have with conservatives - they act like it's irrelevant, and that it does not matter. It does, and this was common sense for pretty much all of world history. In fact, this is still common sense in every other part of the world to this very day outside of Europe and the Anglosphere.

Race and ethnicity matters. Period. Until Asians and Africans start importing millions and millions of people and start becoming minorities in their ancestral homelands, Europe especially needs to be off limits. I don't give a damn how conservative the new "Europeans" are, they can't come.

I believe it's toxic to throw the assessment of someone's character out of the window to replace it with something as irrelevant as race and ethnicity within the context of the west. All the while, there have been many non-white westerners assimilating, succeeding, doing well and overall, adding value. I don't care about liberals regardless of race. Similarly, I care immensely about conservatives and values, regardless of race. That's not to say race and ethnicity are factors. I just believe there are many factors. We shouldn't put our mental activity through a silo to justify a pre-determined point. My opinion.

And if they do come, they gotta go back. Otherwise, there's literally no going back if The West is to be saved.

An honest question now. Where is the line drawn on who goes back? Is it going to be the guy that built a business and feeds many employees, white and non-white. Or is it the guy that put his life on the line in the military and lost a limb for his country?

I think if the west is to be saved, we should band together. I would invite my white brothers as well as non-white. However, I want MEN on my side, regardless of race. I want men that take care of themselves, their families and their women. I want men that can hold a conversation and I want men that are willing to form bonds. I don't want IRTs and I don't want WRTs or any other kinds of race trolls that scream "Oh look at me. I'm unsuccessful because x, y or z is stopping me." I've been very successful just by working hard and being open. I've been grateful for the help many (mostly white) people provided me. I've tried to pay it forward.

Source: I'm brown as all hell. I immigrated at the age of 12 and had a tough time assimilating. There seemed to be many white people in the town I grew up who wanted me "gone." It hurt, a lot. Times were different. I know how it felt. Yet, I got my ass up. I learned English. I joined the military, and did well there. Assimilated (and enjoyed it). Made friends from all walks of life, started appreciating the white American culture AND the Black American culture, and started sharing it with others. I never held anything against anyone for what transpired. A lot of what happened was the result of kids being mean or kids being kids. I eventually realized that generalizing an entire race because some kids called me names was idiotic at best. That would be the same thing as generalizing to say an entire race should leave a country because there were some bad apples that were mass immigrated over for cheap labor.

Why can't we (MEN) all just get along?

I recognize I may have overdone this post. I appreciate Roosh for keeping this a space where we can express our opinions and not be censored as it appears in the rest of the liberal world, for example, his new book.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The Brown Shitizen Pillers strike again.

"Muh - immigration - let's not call it civic nationalism, because ultimately it is exactly that. If Switzerland or Norway just accepts the top 50 million Indians, Africans and Chinese, then it will be a wonderful country! Fuck Whitey - let's call them WRT for complaining - they will all contribute greatly - never mind if the country looks like Mumbai!"

Everyone knows that the West is for everyone.

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Like most of those idiotic concepts - it's just not well-thought through - and never mind if no one demands a 100% or even 90% pure European state - the brown pillers will just claim that Europeans were all different races. Strangely enough they created similar cities and cultures.

Yeah - it should say - at least I have my well-vetted world-wide immigration policy that greatly contributes to my country.

We shall see how that works out in the coming decades.

 

[Easy_C]

Dude, we already know your points including that civic nationalism meme you’ve posted somewhere in the neighborhood of two dozen times now. Give us some new material because the repetitive copy-pasted rants get tiresome and aren’t persuading anyone who doesn’t already agree with you.


That said exactly how well has that White Nationalist movement been working out? Gotten any candidates elected or been able to turn out any massive, enthusiastic crowds?

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I need more Brown Pill conviction and the glories of diversity are showing their bounties to Europeans ever more - it's like an eternal wonderful magical treasure trove of enrichment.

Yes - after all those posts people still don't get it - still accusations of "When will you start killing all the brown folk?"

Indeed - similar to a monetary reformer: "Hey? What's the matter with you? Why haven't you finally implemented that usury free monetary policy if it's so superior?" Indeed - because all you have to fight against is just the entire globalist trillionaire bunch, most media, politiics, Deep state administration, academia, all the schools, the mainstream indoctrinated public plus on top the propaganda spread against you and the hate. Sure.

Also - what White Nationalist movement? What the fuck are you talking about? Here you are with the Nazi allegations. Are the Koreans Nazis for demonstrating against a mere 1000 Yemeni refugees arriving in South Korea? Literally like some fucked up SJWS - "Naziiiii!"

 

[Contagion]

Cobra, Samseau tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Simeon tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Countless others have tried to explain this to you 1,000 times. You did not listen.

I could write out a long response. I could.

However, sometimes views are best reflected by a single sentence. I'll leave this quote, by an Indian-British forum member who drops gold every single time that he posts on here, who gets it in a way that you never will:

If my grandparents wanted to live amongst Indians they would never have left India.

 

[Cobra]

The Brown Shitizen Pillers strike again.

"Muh - immigration - let's not call it civic nationalism, because ultimately it is exactly that. If Switzerland or Norway just accepts the top 50 million Indians, Africans and Chinese, then it will be a wonderful country! Fuck Whitey - let's call them WRT for complaining - they will all contribute greatly - never mind if the country looks like Mumbai!"

Everyone knows that the West is for everyone.



Like most of those idiotic concepts - it's just not well-thought through - and never mind if no one demands a 100% or even 90% pure European state - the brown pillers will just claim that Europeans were all different races. Strangely enough they created similar cities and cultures.

Yeah - it should say - at least I have my well-vetted world-wide immigration policy that greatly contributes to my country.

We shall see how that works out in the coming decades.

Here's a couple memes for ya that encapsulates my feelings at this moment.

:facepalm:

:facepalm3:

Ok, I'm done. You have an open invitation to Chicken Tikka Masala. Just you and me. I mean once the US turns into Mumbai as you anticipate. :wink:

 

[Trumpian]

Problem is there's just too many shyte immigrants in the West these days so even the exempolary ones will be lumped in with them.

The whites in Rhodesia and S.A saw the writing on the wall when their faction lost power. The smart ones got out then. The browns in the West, especially ones of the Islamic persuasion, would be wise to follow their lead.

 

[Cobra]

Cobra, Samseau tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Simeon tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Countless others have tried to explain this to you 1,000 times. You did not listen.

I could write out a long response. I could.

However, sometimes views are best reflected by a single sentence. I'll leave this quote, by an Indian-British forum member who drops gold every single time that he posts on here, who gets it in a way that you never will:

If my grandparents wanted to live amongst Indians they would never have left India.

I ran out of facepalm memes. Sorry.

I also like bojangles as he's a cool brown brother.

I hope he won't hate me because I want the US to turn into India.

I can't handle not having curry every evening for dinner.

Getting Zelcorpion back to the keyboard is always a pleasure. I just don't want to take it so far that he changes his username again. People are getting confused if he's a Civic Nationalist or a real one.

 

[Trumpian]

I do think it's funny that #1 line of defense for immigration apologists is.."How would you get xyz food"? Haha.

I mean I do love a good Tikka Masala. And actually I like doner kebabs too. Doesn't mean I want the streets roaming with thirsty Turks. I had too many of my ancestors give up their lives keeping those bastards out.

If preserving the cultural integrity of the West means a less varied diet, well I can live with that.

 

[Cobra]

Problem is there's just too many shyte immigrants in the West these days so even the exempolary ones will be lumped in with them.

The whites in Rhodesia and S.A saw the writing on the wall when their faction lost power. The smart ones got out then. The browns in the West, especially ones of the Islamic persuasion, would be wise to follow their lead.

Agree 100%. You seem to get something certain members are too blind to get.

I do think it's funny that #1 line of defense for immigration apologists is.."How would you get xyz food"? Haha.

I mean I do love a good Tikka Masala. And actually I like doner kebabs too. Doesn't mean I want the streets roaming with thirsty Turks. I had too many of my ancestors give up their lives keeping those bastards out.

If preserving the cultural integrity of the West means a less varied diet, well I can live with that.

I don't want this either. To be totally honest, I get along more with white Americans than FOB Indians, although this may be a surprise to those blinded by siloed race based thinking and decision making.

We're finally starting to have a more intelligent and meaningful conversation but I'm sure that willl get derailed in....3....2....1...

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Good, then we agree.

Conciliatory applause. Drinks on me. Tikka Masala on you.

Even if we disagree on some points - we can always get drunk more on good Scotch - we can then argue then whether to give a waitress a 6.5 or a 7.2.

 

[Contagion]

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[Tiger Man]

Okay... going to steer clear of any race stuff...

I consider myself right wing, but I can no longer identify as conservative (in the US or Canadian sense). I think many might classify my views as reactionary, but some of them could honestly be considered progressive.

In no particular order:

I despise most neocon talking points. Specifically, I fundamentally disagree with nation building. More so, I disagree with the philosophy that underpins nation building. Not all countries or people will accept, thrive under, or benefit from an American, classically liberal, (mixed) free-market, capitalist economy. It may just be that the Russians need and, indeed, prefer to have soft dictator strongmen leading their country.

GDP/GNP is not the be all and end all of a country. Likewise, unemployment rates do not, necessarily, indicate the success or failure of a country. I think many on this board would appreciate a crude unemployment rate of 50% (no women in the workforce).

I can't stand that libertarianism has been hijacked to focus on a small number of base issues - namely, marijuana and sex.

On the other hand, I am not exactly a hardliner on these issues either. If you made me god-emperor tomorrow, I would probably outlaw pornography and legalize prostitution.

On abortion, I am split. I hate it, but I understand the points others on the thread have made. So, how's this? Abortion is legal up to a certain number of weeks, and it is fully paid for. But, the women who get them are "tracked". On receiving your third abortion, you are immediately sterilized. That will limit these idiot women who get 9/10/15 abortions, without adding to the bad lines of society.

As to law and order, so-called conservatives have destroyed the system. In this area, I honestly side more with progressive prison reform supporters (up to a point). I would like to see the people serving time for non-violent crime pay their penance in another way. Fine them. Make them work some sort of community service project. Make them rebuild roads and bridges. Whatever. As to the true, violent offenders... I'm for more old-school solutions. Lock them up and throw away the key. For serious sexual offenders (where there is DNA and video/witnesses/whatever) castrate them.

As to the West, I have adopted many of the philosophical precepts of High Toryism.

I disagree with the pure egalitarianism that many "conservatives" espouse. People sort in to ranked classes in all societies. Some of these classes are better than others. They should be viewed as such. This is fact.

The push by some "conservatives" towards industrialization/servicification of certain (usually urban) areas and the push to populate those areas is a disastrous policy. Large conurbations destroy social connections, families, and morals. I am not a strict agrarian, but smaller community living should be encouraged.

There is a push in many modern "conservative" communities to support all religious people. The line of thinking seems to be that if I am a Christian and I support Buddhists, I am merely standing up for religious liberty. The problem is that this leads to the view that all religions are equal. They are not. It is very clear what religions contributed to political and social thought in certain areas of the world. In the same way, I disagree with a lot of the Christian ecumenism that is seen on the American "right" as well as the Zionist Evangelicals (who even the Jews don't like).

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

^^^^^^

Tiger Man's mention of judicial reform when it comes to non-violent offenders brings up another issue.

How much has the conservative "lock 'em up!" mentality led to the whole country thinking this way...including feminists who now apparently think a mere accusation of sexual assault means "OMG! He's guilty!"

We're seeing this a lot now regarding the Supreme Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh. And it's getting insane.

In the New York Times, a law professor just wrote that "credible allegations" should be enough to disqualify Kavanaugh (summary on Twichy here). Meanwhile, the Washington Post is claiming that withdrawing his nomination will "prevent future rapes." Huh? (Twichy link here).

This is not the way "the left" thought in its 1960s-70s heyday. What happened (in my opinion) is that in order to appeal to the populace, the left adapted the Police State mentality of the right -- starting with Bill Clinton's 1994 crime reform bill.

Somewhere along the line, both the right and left began ignoring due process in the cultural sense (note that I said cultural -- I'm talking about belief systems, not the law per se).

So on the right, we had local sheriffs and politicians celebrating the police's "no knock raids" and money-wasting "stings" where they enticed ordinary citizens into crimes. Their motto was " "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear."

Yeah, because false arrest and/or imprisonment NEVER happens (sarcasm). This, in my mind, led to the "accusation culture" we have now, because it put people in the mindset that somehow we're all guilty of something. The left and right have become two sides of the same coin.

 

[TigerMandingo]

Military worship
Support for Israel
"Killing the welfare state" but saying/doing nothing about the financial parasites living off the taxpayer
Anti-abortionism
Libertarianism

 

[Contagion]

Cobra, Samseau tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Simeon tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Countless others have tried to explain this to you 1,000 times. You did not listen.

I could write out a long response. I could.

However, sometimes views are best reflected by a single sentence. I'll leave this quote, by an Indian-British forum member who drops gold every single time that he posts on here, who gets it in a way that you never will:

If my grandparents wanted to live amongst Indians they would never have left India.

I ran out of facepalm memes. Sorry.

I also like bojangles as he's a cool brown brother.

I hope he won't hate me because I want the US to turn into India.

I can't handle not having curry every evening for dinner.

Getting Zelcorpion back to the keyboard is always a pleasure. I just don't want to take it so far that he changes his username again. People are getting confused if he's a Civic Nationalist or a real one.

You see Cobra, I guarantee that you took that quote that I gave to you personally.

That quote indicates that Bojangles and his Indian immigrant family realize that without actual British people, the country of England no longer exists.

The military thing with you is getting old Cobra. Every month you make these big grand posts about how you served in the military. I'm going to give you some cold hard facts.

The USA could easily summon up a 5 million man army in the blink of an eye from the thousands of shitholes in India if they promised what the American service members currently already get:

1. Good pay that blows pretty much anything that most Indians are making out the water
2. A ticket to a free education in arguably one of the best places in the world to get an education
3. free housing
4. free food
5. free (CLEAN!) water
6. a pension after 20 years of service

Now throw in guaranteed citizenship to the 5 million man Indian mercenary army who descend from the various shitholes of India, and wallah, that army will be created in no time at all.

So no Cobra, you coming from a third world country and joining the military is not some big deal or some heroic act. To further hammer the point home, you did not once in your life see actual combat and do not say that you did. You have posted on here before that you were in the Navy and I know you weren't a Navy Seal because this forum would not hear the end of it if you had been one.

I don't give a shit if you were on a ship somewhere in the Navy during the Middle Eastern Wars, The Balkan Wars or any of the minor skirmishes anywhere else in the world. The United States has not had actual naval battles with navies that can compare to our navy since the Second World War. Third worlders shooting off crude made missiles at our aircraft carriers does not count.

This thread is actually perfect for what I'm talking about, conservative ideas that I reject - I reject the notion that I owe anybody shit just because they joined the military. And I damn sure reject the notion that they're somehow better than me because of their military service when they did not even engage in a single firefight with anybody during their time in the military.

When you're in the military, you get great benefits and are adequately paid for what you do. On top of that, if you're smart, you will be paid handsomely as a young person to learn a critical skill that you can utilize immediately when you get out of the military. When you take into consideration the 6 benefits that I listed above, no 18 -22 year old is going to come close to making that much money.

No, I never joined the military myself and no joining the military does not make you more American than it does from any other American. Once again, that's another conservative idea that I reject.

Which brings me to my next point. You ask how you can tell who is white? Well, you must know Cobra, you literally said that because you joined the military that you are more American than some white farm boy from Kansas.

Yes, I distinctly remember reading that post of yours from a few years ago and thinking how in the hell somebody could be that vane.

You want to know how you can tell if somebody is white or not?

Can you biologically create either one of these two people? Will your kids be able to biologically create either one of these two people?

If you or your children do not have the biological capability of creating a person that has blue eyes and red or blonde hair, than you are not white. I know you like to think of the Indians as the new Irish, but trust me, they are not, and they never will be.

And while I'm at it, nobody owes you shit for your childhood sob stories that you ramble on about here day in and day out. Boo fucking hoo, the white kids didn't like you when you were a kid. Get over yourself and get out of here with that narcissistic bullshit.

That brings me to my next point - No matter what you have done for the country, you’re right that it's not enough because your descendants will help contribute to the decline of America.

Allow me to elaborate: You have stated before that you married some ethnic Indian woman from one of the Caribbean Islands. That means that your kids are not white. That means that your grandkids will not be white either, no matter who they breed with.

That means that your kids and grandkids are overwhelmingly likely to be voting in open borders leftists who have no qualms about replacing the European stock who, while not natives to the land, are the ones who by and large built the country of the United States into what it is today.

Your kids and grandkids will not give a damn how conservative you are, they will simply say that Grandpa is old and that it was different back then. They will then cast their ballots for the open border leftists. Mark my words.

Essentially, it doesn't mean shit how conservative you are. Your kids and grandkids will most likely be voting open borders leftists who, just like you, think that race should not be a factor in any of this.

All of this will be happening at a time when your descendants ancestral homelands of India will continue to see the traditional ethnic makeup of the region swell into the billions, while the European diaspora will see the ethnic makeup of our ancestral homelands morph into something unrecognizable from the past several thousand years, where our people are reduced to hated minorities.

No, I don't believe the solution should be to kick you guys out or anything like that. I would not give a damn if the USA became the center point for a globohomo multicultural paradise, if that meant that I could return to my ancestral homelands. I've been to my ancestral homelands, they are beautiful, rich with history and with a people who descend from the same group of people that I do.

The only problem is that my ancestral homelands are being overrun by third worlders who come pouring in, and their children who have such a desire and need to fit into the larger group that they scream and shout at the top of their lungs that the ethnic makeup of a country should not be important.

This is despite the fact that it's clear as fucking day that many of the non-whites in Europe vote, act, live and do business as a consensual block.

This is despite the fact that those non-white children are an absolute racial majority in the world and the native white population are an absolute racial minority in the world.

Whatever man. Like I said, nobody can get through to guys like you on this forum.

You want my solution to all of this? Fine. Here it is.

The best solution would be the for Cobra's of the world to live in their race blind globohomo multicultural paradises and let the Europeans keep their ancestral homelands in Europe. As for whites in the Anglosphere, let them live in their own communities if they so choose to do so. But all of this is under one condition – No matter how shitty the globohomo multicultural paradises that the Cobra’s of the world choose to live in, they can’t come to European safe spaces. It’s off limits.

But that won't happen because guys like Cobra and his globohomo buddies at the United Nations will scream and shout “Whitelash! Whitelash! Whitelash!” and bitch and moan about how racist it is for the whites or ethnic Europeans to want their own living spaces in the world.

And of course while they chant Whitelash over and over again, not a single fucking Indian, whether in India or somewhere else in the diaspora, will ever once in their lives promote open borders in India and proclaim that since race doesn't matter, that it's time to let millions upon millions of Pakistanis flood into the nation of India.

Cobra and all the other civic nationalists on this forum: If you all like living around white people and the civilizations that we have created, then you better come to grips with what the “Build That Wall!” chant is all about when it’s being chanted by ten of thousands of people in every single city that Trump travels to in this country.

You do not get a chant like that because of debates about Keynesian economics.

Wake up.

 

[Comte De St. Germain]

Cobra, Samseau tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Simeon tried to explain this to you and everyone else 1,000 times. You did not listen.

Countless others have tried to explain this to you 1,000 times. You did not listen.

I could write out a long response. I could.

However, sometimes views are best reflected by a single sentence. I'll leave this quote, by an Indian-British forum member who drops gold every single time that he posts on here, who gets it in a way that you never will:

If my grandparents wanted to live amongst Indians they would never have left India.

I ran out of facepalm memes. Sorry.

I also like bojangles as he's a cool brown brother.

I hope he won't hate me because I want the US to turn into India.

I can't handle not having curry every evening for dinner.

Getting Zelcorpion back to the keyboard is always a pleasure. I just don't want to take it so far that he changes his username again. People are getting confused if he's a Civic Nationalist or a real one.

You see Cobra, I guarantee that you took that quote that I gave to you personally.

That quote indicates that Bojangles and his Indian immigrant family realize that without actual British people, the country of England no longer exists.

The military thing with you is getting old Cobra. Every month you make these big grand posts about how you served in the military. I'm going to give you some cold hard facts.

The USA could easily summon up a 5 million man army in the blink of an eye from the thousands of shitholes in India if they promised what the American service members currently already get:

1. Good pay that blows pretty much anything that most Indians are making out the water
2. A ticket to a free education in arguably one of the best places in the world to get an education
3. free housing
4. free food
5. free (CLEAN!) water
6. a pension after 20 years of service

Now throw in guaranteed citizenship to the 5 million man Indian mercenary army who descend from the various shitholes of India, and wallah, that army will be created in no time at all.

So no Cobra, you coming from a third world country and joining the military is not some big deal or some heroic act. To further hammer the point home, you did not once in your life see actual combat and do not say that you did. You have posted on here before that you were in the Navy and I know you weren't a Navy Seal because this forum would not hear the end of it if you had been one.

I don't give a shit if you were on a ship somewhere in the Navy during the Middle Eastern Wars, The Balkan Wars or any of the minor skirmishes anywhere else in the world. The United States has not had actual naval battles with navies that can compare to our navy since the Second World War. Third worlders shooting off crude made missiles at our aircraft carriers does not count.

This thread is actually perfect for what I'm talking about, conservative ideas that I reject - I reject the notion that I owe anybody shit just because they joined the military. And I damn sure reject the notion that they're somehow better than me because of their military service when they did not even engage in a single firefight with anybody during their time in the military.

When you're in the military, you get great benefits and are adequately paid for what you do. On top of that, if you're smart, you will be paid handsomely as a young person to learn a critical skill that you can utilize immediately when you get out of the military. When you take into consideration the 6 benefits that I listed above, no 18 -22 year old is going to come close to making that much money.

No, I never joined the military myself and no joining the military does not make you more American than it does from any other American. Once again, that's another conservative idea that I reject.

Which brings me to my next point. You ask how you can tell who is white? Well, you must know Cobra, you literally said that because you joined the military that you are more American than some white farm boy from Kansas.

Yes, I distinctly remember reading that post of yours from a few years ago and thinking how in the hell somebody could be that vane.

You want to know how you can tell if somebody is white or not?

Can you biologically create either one of these two people? Will your kids be able to biologically create either one of these two people?

If you or your children do not have the biological capability of creating a person that has blue eyes and red or blonde hair, than you are not white. I know you like to think of the Indians as the new Irish, but trust me, they are not, and they never will be.

And while I'm at it, nobody owes you shit for your childhood sob stories that you ramble on about here day in and day out. Boo fucking hoo, the white kids didn't like you when you were a kid. Get over yourself and get out of here with that narcissistic bullshit.

That brings me to my next point - No matter what you have done for the country, you’re right that it's not enough because your descendants will help contribute to the decline of America.

Allow me to elaborate: You have stated before that you married some ethnic Indian woman from one of the Caribbean Islands. That means that your kids are not white. That means that your grandkids will not be white either, no matter who they breed with.

That means that your kids and grandkids are overwhelmingly likely to be voting in open borders leftists who have no qualms about replacing the European stock who, while not natives to the land, are the ones who by and large built the country of the United States into what it is today.

Your kids and grandkids will not give a damn how conservative you are, they will simply say that Grandpa is old and that it was different back then. They will then cast their ballots for the open border leftists. Mark my words.

Essentially, it doesn't mean shit how conservative you are. Your kids and grandkids will most likely be voting open borders leftists who, just like you, think that race should not be a factor in any of this.

All of this will be happening at a time when your descendants ancestral homelands of India will continue to see the traditional ethnic makeup of the region swell into the billions, while the European diaspora will see the ethnic makeup of our ancestral homelands morph into something unrecognizable from the past several thousand years, where our people are reduced to hated minorities.

No, I don't believe the solution should be to kick you guys out or anything like that. I would not give a damn if the USA became the center point for a globohomo multicultural paradise, if that meant that I could return to my ancestral homelands. I've been to my ancestral homelands, they are beautiful, rich with history and with a people who descend from the same group of people that I do.

The only problem is that my ancestral homelands are being overrun by third worlders who come pouring in, and their children who have such a desire and need to fit into the larger group that they scream and shout at the top of their lungs that the ethnic makeup of a country should not be important.

This is despite the fact that it's clear as fucking day that many of the non-whites in Europe vote, act, live and do business as a consensual block.

This is despite the fact that those non-white children are an absolute racial majority in the world and the native white population are an absolute racial minority in the world.

Whatever man. Like I said, nobody can get through to guys like you on this forum.

You want my solution to all of this? Fine. Here it is.

The best solution would be the for Cobra's of the world to live in their race blind globohomo multicultural paradises and let the Europeans keep their ancestral homelands in Europe. As for whites in the Anglosphere, let them live in their own communities if they so choose to do so. But all of this is under one condition – No matter how shitty the globohomo multicultural paradises that the Cobra’s of the world choose to live in, they can’t come to European safe spaces. It’s off limits.

But that won't happen because guys like Cobra and his globohomo buddies at the United Nations will scream and shout “Whitelash! Whitelash! Whitelash!” and bitch and moan about how racist it is for the whites or ethnic Europeans to want their own living spaces in the world.

And of course while they chant Whitelash over and over again, not a single fucking Indian, whether in India or somewhere else in the diaspora, will ever once in their lives promote open borders in India and proclaim that since race doesn't matter, that it's time to let millions upon millions of Pakistanis flood into the nation of India.

Cobra and all the other civic nationalists on this forum: If you all like living around white people and the civilizations that we have created, then you better come to grips with what the “Build That Wall!” chant is all about when it’s being chanted by ten of thousands of people in every single city that Trump travels to in this country.

You do not get a chant like that because of debates about Keynesian economics.

Wake up.

My god this shit again.

So to stay in the tone and spirit of this thread as someone on the far far old school pre-fascist conception of right wing.

My issue with the modern "right wing" is as follows.

Your skin color doesn't owe you shit.

Who your ancestors were doesn't owe you shit.

You know what that does give you though? Responsibility.

Yes responsibility. People like YOU need to shape up and start emulating them.

Get out into the world. Start lifting. Start accruing wealth. Start reproducing. Better yourself.

Stop posting here as often as you do unless it is honestly constructive and bettering your future(be it enlightening others to resources philosophically, spiritually, financially, etc. because politically you'd have to be blind to not know what is what and who stands for who and what policies you want. No one anymore is ignorant politically). Stop watching 10 hour Warski live podcasts.

I see the same posters in the same spots complaining about the same shit. If anything even the Trump thread should be limited to what people can do to actively help the effort. Get their boots on the ground.

Hell I myself have been politically active locally as of late. I won't say what or where. But I'm trying. I'm trying real hard Ringo.

Being politically active is about active and meaningful boots on the ground work. There comes a point where political debate is pointless. Why because it only works to move fence sitters. And no one. And I mean no one is on the fence anymore about shit.

Trump was a nut up or shut up moment for all parties and everyone has a picked side. Now go out and actually show yours counts for something.

And to my earlier point about ancestry and skin color.

Guys like Cobra are more actively spreading the honor, value, and spirit of your ancestors than people like Contagion have. He has kids. They do sports. They have proper guidance. They wave the American flag.

How many here can say the same?

When the only white and minority people reproducing are morons in low income housing while the well to do intelligentsia continues to rot away in their ivory towers debating the semantics of Richard Spencer or on the other end Karl Marx is there any hope?

None whatsoever.

And from the ethnonationalists I have met. Most are no different than a certain Jean Valjean. They simply want women as chattel slaves to serve them more doritos while they jerk off and play more Counterstrike and there only be whites whenever they decide to see the outside world.

All the end goal seems to be is replace Jewish elites with white ones as if the rot rests with race rather than in the institution and the qualities of people.

And so the cycle repeats.

The same issues were around during the Wars of Religion so they put a Peace of Westphalia on it assuming that would solve it. People thought it was government form and we saw the French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars, and 1836 rend Europe a new one. And then the same issues popped up. Then we thought it was Nationalism during the World Wars and boom nothing changes.

Here we are again and people don't realize that the rot comes from within civilization, the people, and culture itself.

So lets have our racialist war and watch people propagate the same shitstain. Entitled people who fall to their own self-corruption, greed, and sloth. Whom disregard decency and decorum.

So another generation of Dorito munching, redbull drinking, funny maymay making(le top kek), Counterstrike playing soyboys can rise up to do the same shit all over again.

As for me, I'll be building a life so that my children can live well and incorporate as well as pass on those values that I find worthwhile The way things are going no one else really wants too.