Right wingers, "conservative" ideas you reject?

[godfather dust]

My problem with that attack on Cobra is that America is not a white country. There have been blacks here just as long as us, and in many people's cases their European family came here in the 20th century. I do agree we need to keep the race ratio tilted as much towards whites as possible, but mostly because we are too benevolent a people to survive as a minority. If whites were tribal enough, which you see now we are not (although this is largely due to the likes of the Frankfurt School, and Jewish ability to take advantage of gentile's good hearts from our Christian culture) we could probably do fine even at 30%, because we would use force to protect our interests.

However, Western Civilization was largely built on Christianity, so to keep our civilization and it's values we need to be the majority, or the only choice is tribal warfare.

Note: I fully 100% support white tribalism at this juncture, for our survival.

Anyways, I can't think of a better way to assimilate/naturalize than military service, so the attack on Cobra on that front is not productive.

 

[Easy_C]

And... This page is EXACTLY why the while "but much civic nationalism" crowd are morons.

Idiots like that are driving out literally everyone from the redpill movement who isn't white.

Atlanta Man is gone because of you folks. Cobra is less active... And quite a few other folks have left as well because of race obaessed, average smarr folks who.... Just "coincidentally" are also the same people who bought wholesale into Mystery PUA and MGTOW.

Simple question. Is this movement stronger if it consists of traditionalists, or if it consists only of white traditionalists?

 

[godfather dust]

I am not a white nationalist. I don't consider America a white country, but we need to be the majority.

The problem is white nationalist have no solution to offer.

Ultimately the best thing us white men can do is solve the problem is internally. Namely, we need to bring our woman under control again. This would improve EVERYTHING, including the birthrate.

However, this is difficult, involves improving yourself. You might need to seek out recently banned books for advice. Political obstacles. But it is possible for us white men to grow some balls. Not as easy as promoting impossible shit like making America a white country, which it never was.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

And... This page is EXACTLY why the while "but much civic nationalism" crowd are morons.

Idiots like that are driving out literally everyone from the redpill movement who isn't white.

Atlanta Man is gone because of you folks. Cobra is less active... And quite a few other folks have left as well because of race obaessed, average smarr folks who.... Just "coincidentally" are also the same people who bought wholesale into Mystery PUA and MGTOW.

Simple question. Is this movement stronger if it consists of traditionalists, or if it consists only of white traditionalists?

Yeah - they are all morons - morons like 100% Jewish corporate lawyers like Frame Games and morons like 160-IQ black Americans like Renegade of Funk.

Don't scare anyone away guys!

Contagion raised needlessly shit, but the Western countries were not created just because of Christianity. All South American countries are Christian and some African countries were Christian-dominated for centuries.

Traditionalism is like republic conservatism - it conserved nothing.

And the US has been created by European settlers - sorry if that offends you, but if you really think that the results would be the same with a 90% African-descended population, then you are deluded. Haiti was the wealthiest colony in the world before the rebellion. Then it turned into a 100% black ethno-state more than 200 years ago. Why didn't they continue with the progress shown before? There are countless other such examples from Detroit, Baltimore to Rhodesia - heck even Brazil.

Countries like Liberia have the US constitution and US economic system - an essential carbon copy.

The European-ethnic traditionalism was part of the US core - so much so that it was hardly ever mentioned, but they deported scores of immigrants even as far as the 1920s who ticked off White, but weren't.

Sure - cleaning your room, making money and caring about your legacy, but all of this will help you little when you have become Brazil or a Euro-Arab-dominated European country.



The Jewish Frame Games goes here through the examples of what happened in history and what will happen in the future.

You might think back to those words in the coming decades, but it will be too late to change things then - it's too late to change them anyway even now since all arguments devolve instantly into accusations of "Nazi" like on some SJW-campus.

And this is not an attack on Cobra or anyone who disagrees - it does not make you any lesser man or I think less of you. You are just not seeing the reality of the world as it is, but want to see what it might be in the future. The Jewish people who are smarter than this know it - they advocate for open borders in countries in the West and are already planning a Coalition of the New Majority - blacks, Hispanics and Muslims under Jewish leadership against the Whites - many are concerned, because the other tribes cannot be guilt-tripped so easily:

https://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Americas-Changing-Demography

The Jewish Stake in America's Changing Demography
Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy
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By Stephen Steinlight on October 1, 2001

The Jewish people know that demographics are destiny and that is why they created now an ethnic defined policy for Israel - the minorities won't be genocided there, but the state definitely knows what it is doing. That is why they reject Ethiopians who lived as converted Jews for centuries while accepting Russians and Ukrainians with one Jewish grandfather - so essentially Russians who are 1/4 Jewish and their 100% gentile Russian husband - they are being accepted as Jews. They know what they are doing, because they are not as brainwashed as the rest of the West which has been beset by decades of propaganda.

And again - this is no attack, with full respect and no ill-feelings.

Scotch still on me - it's not as if this is going to matter. The Soros-globo-homo-civic-nationalism bunch are winning anyway. They even keep on winning with Trump in power - the funding of the wall proves it. Schumer got more federal funding for a local tunnel in his state than the wall would have cost - that's conservatism to you. They have a wall fit for the zombie apocalypse and you get repainted fences here and there. They have ethno-nationalism based on observable patterns and common sense - you get open borders, refugee settlement plans and a glorious Coalition of the new Majority against the founding tribe of the USA.

That is how the cookie crumbles.

I can discuss this all with a smile and tear in the eye. I used to share your views and haven't thought about it as much until I studied the concepts. I reject all radicals or Nazi-Aryan-larpers and would fight the Nazis, I would defend even Cobra and his family or Atlanta Man with my life (even defend vehemently his right to bang White girls), but this does not change my assessment of the overall points of nation building and what makes up countries and cultures.

Cheers.

 

[Eusebius]

In the end I think technology is changing the world so rapidly and fundamentally that nationalism vs globalism is already yesterday's argument. The Singularity is approaching and in 50 years it's likely we won't even recognise this planet. I can't see any room for theistic religions or nation states as presently constituted. So I don't feel the need to fight for something which won't be relevant in a decade or two.

 

[Trumpian]

My problem with that attack on Cobra is that America is not a white country. There have been blacks here just as long as us, and in many people's cases their European family came here in the 20th century. I do agree we need to keep the race ratio tilted as much towards whites as possible, but mostly because we are too benevolent a people to survive as a minority. If whites were tribal enough, which you see now we are not (although this is largely due to the likes of the Frankfurt School, and Jewish ability to take advantage of gentile's good hearts from our Christian culture) we could probably do fine even at 30%, because we would use force to protect our interests.

However, Western Civilization was largely built on Christianity, so to keep our civilization and it's values we need to be the majority, or the only choice is tribal warfare.

Note: I fully 100% support white tribalism at this juncture, for our survival.

Anyways, I can't think of a better way to assimilate/naturalize than military service, so the attack on Cobra on that front is not productive.

The presence of Blacks and native Americans in the Americas at the same time, doesn't alter the fact that the United States was/is a white country. It's a typical lefty red herring frankly. Because the political, cultural, and economic structures of the nation were entirely European. If you disagree, point out the Black founding father for me.

I'd argue that Apartheid South Africa was a white country. Because again, the nation state and all it's apparatuses were built by whites. Same in Rhodesia.

Those countries were incredibly prosperous even under a small but dominant white minority. Now look at them.

Demographics are destiny and they never lie.

 

[Trumpian]

The Jewish people know that demographics are destiny and that is why they created now an ethnic defined policy for Israel - the minorities won't be genocided there, but the state definitely knows what it is doing. That is why they reject Ethiopians who lived as converted Jews for centuries while accepting Russians and Ukrainians with one Jewish grandfather - so essentially Russians who are 1/4 Jewish and their 100% gentile Russian husband - they are being accepted as Jews. They know what they are doing, because they are not as brainwashed as the rest of the West which has been beset by decades of propaganda.

I take solace in the fact that Israel has also been infected with the virus of multiculturalism and Palestinian Israelis are 20% of the population and rapidly outbreeding the Jews.

Looks like they won't have a country to call their own either.

 

[TigerMandingo]

So if all of this is inevitable and the "globalists" will win anyway, why are you spending so much time and energy trying to convince us that it matters? Whats the point in posting a million random YouTube videos by Frame Gay or whoever?

Then you trash a person's race, culture or religion and say "oh but I would fight for this man's life"? Huh?

Bruh, you are so full of it it's probably starting to come out of your ears.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

So if all of this is inevitable and the "globalists" will win anyway, why are you spending so much time and energy trying to convince us that it matters? Whats the point in posting a million random YouTube videos by Frame Gay or whoever?

Then you trash a person's race, culture or religion and say "oh but I would fight for this man's life"? Huh?

Bruh, you are so full of it it's probably starting to come out of your ears.

Ah - the usual personal attacks, because there is nothing to be said about the topics. Because even if I were a nationalistic Israeli, I would be for an ethno-state definition of Israel, but I would be against some kind of brutal genocide against Arab and the few black Israelis. And I would defend those neighbors in extreme conditions.

What is so hard to understand there?

In your black and white world you are either globo-homo-open borders or instantly genocidal murdering maniac with nothing in between, no common sense, no nothing.

Also "trashing someone's culture" is not what I said. I merely stated facts and you can go and state counter-facts if you wish, but it's easier to attack someone personally or with passive-aggressive name-calling. Why facts when you can scream "Nazi racist!" like all the other SJW out there?

Fine - you disagree - and you can make the counter-claim that the US settled by 90% African immigrants would be identical if not better to the US that has been created. Sure - now all you have to do is back it up with some facts, historical accounts, real-life current-day accounts, of massive amounts of other tribes moving to those successful nations and you are all set.

Or you can say: "I don't care, I disagree." Fine. But you rather prefer to call me names, because that fits better your exalted supreme argumentative character.

Why continue with all of that? Ah well - a fool's errand perhaps and the ever busy mind of whatever I am. Random musings of a restless mind - you can disagree or it may change your mind someday, who knows. Maybe this is not the right place for this.

I am thinking of starting a Youtube channel with a modified voice. And yes - the chances for the West to wake up to this are small, but at least they are there. Jared Taylor when he started out thought that he would just be a voice for posterior generations studied later by the historians that not all were as dumb as the rest. Now he said that there is a slight chance that actual change may come, but it's a small chance. And Jared is likely oblivious to the usury power matrix that Carroll Quigley and Antony Sutton have written about. But maybe it will be the founding soil for future nations after the current ones have been destroyed - we shall see.

 

[Cobra]

The post above by Contagion was a pretty nasty personal attack. I don't care much about it but wouldn't want him to do that to any other member. He had PM'd me about a week ago and asked me the below.

Since I got a 1 week ban thanks to your buddy Doc, after I simply stated facts and figures in the black man game thread, I can't reply to your post. So, I'll reply to this by PM:

Burt and I would get along well because we're both nationalists period. I don't think he would hate me because I'm non-European. I truly believe that."

I want to understand where you are coming from with your thought processes. If you don't want to reply to me, I understand no problem.

Cobra, why do tens of thousands of white people chant in unison "build that wall" at Trump rallies? Go ahead, and list all the reasons why they chant that slogan.

After listing your reasons why they chant that slogan, I want you to tell me, at it's core, what does the chant "Build That Wall" mean?

I then replied this to the post:

Hey bro, I don't believe it was right to insult you and Thot Leader the way I did. I regret and offer my apologies.

I have no idea what thousands of white people are thinking man. Everyone is different. I don't assume someone's character before meeting them.

I think that the black man thread is for game and some of the elite few of us of any race that post in game threads are likely going to be in the top 5% of men that get top pussy. We don't believe in race as much as game. So we overcome our limitations. Game isn't very logical. When someone posts logical analysis that are based on lots of data, it may not be well received because we are outliers. Maybe you may not see that. However, I believe that's why you received the ban.

I would welcome you to get to know some of the non-white members better and maybe meet a few. I'm happy to buy a round if you are ever in Chicago.

-Cobra

At that point, I knew he had some seething hatred towards me. I then made my post only to make general observations about his post rather than a personal attack against him. Especially considering I did that before and (rightfully) got a 7 day ban.

He couldn't handle it and decided to blow his load. I had a feeling he would.

A problem exists on the forum right now from many members like Contagion that want to turn the political section and even the forum itself into their own autistic screeching mechanism. The unfortunate thing is that there are many other members around that think like him. These guys hopefully see now that the forum isn't a soapbox for their victim mentality and irresponsible attitude.

Note: I fully 100% support white tribalism at this juncture, for our survival.

Anyways, I can't think of a better way to assimilate/naturalize than military service, so the attack on Cobra on that front is not productive.

I fully agree with this as well as long as guys know and understand I'm on their side. For the record and I've mentioned it many times, I don't want this to turn into India. If I wanted another India, I would go and live there. I like the American culture. I know it has its flaws but I accept and cherish it highly.

As Contagion (may the forum gods rest his soul) would like to have believed, I didn't join the Navy for the benefits he listed out so well. I always had pride when I saluted the flag. Never mistake a patriot with a hollow point for a hollow patriot. I'm ready to defend the values of this country any time and there are many like me.

I am not a white nationalist. I don't consider America a white country, but we need to be the majority.

The problem is white nationalist have no solution to offer.

Ultimately the best thing us white men can do is solve the problem is internally. Namely, we need to bring our woman under control again. This would improve EVERYTHING, including the birthrate.

However, this is difficult, involves improving yourself. You might need to seek out recently banned books for advice. Political obstacles. But it is possible for us white men to grow some balls. Not as easy as promoting impossible shit like making America a white country, which it never was.

I consider this one of the best posts yet. I am on the same side as you as I would not want this to be any other majority than white. Assimilated non-white people like me, doc and kaotic are rare. I'm grateful to be surrounded by the culture of this country and like Comte said, I'm here to preserve it. I appreciate Indian culture, but I can go to India if I want more of it.

I'll provide a real life example:
My kids' friends are white. Our neighbors are white. As a matter of fact, my neighbors across the street are all-american high school sweethearts. The guy is a high school football coach. They have 4 great kids. That's right: 4!!! The youngest is best friends with my oldest daughter. The oldest kid mows my lawn (and does a great job). I fucking love those people. I want more of them around me, but sadly, instead we have guys like Contagion that mentally masturbate on the internet all day. It's a joke.

We enjoy being in this neighborhood because it’s more homogenously white and conservative. There are a few families, black, Indian, etc that also get along fine. IRTs wouldn't move here because they aren't close to their own and it's uncomfortable for them. This isn’t some supposed globo homo neighborhood that I keep hearing about from some people here. This is a real life conservative American community. It actually exists. My kids will be mixed into this even if they’re brown. They may have some issues here and there but they have me to guide them. They will promote the values white predecessors created, while others diminish them.

Again, why don't we band together and fight the liberalism that's actually killing the white identity? I, for one, am down for that because it also helps my kids have more choice in better communities in the future. I sure as hell don't want them to be surrounded by IRTs with BO problems and WRTs that have a soy and keyboard addiction.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I like your post Cobra and I thought about as much. It reaffirms my statement, that I would fight to defend you and your family. I am more an Identitarian and White Westerners have to get their shit together - but obviously all with common sense, moderation and no fucking genocide or purity-insanity.

Indians are not going to be able or willing to swarm the US anyway. I read up a bit on India's immigration and the diaspora is tiny with only 15 mio. having moved out - that's barely 1% of the population. Most of them were poor and ended up in the Middle East. The smarter ones moved to the West. Now you get lots of immigrants from the less fortunate countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. due to the relative prosperity that is beginning to happen in India.

The West has got to get their shit together. If it doesn't then the US and the neighborhoods you enjoy will become ever more like Brazil - not Mumbai. I just wish that you wouldn't call every white bloke a WRT because he mentions some tribal topics vs boobs and vagana. But - that is your prerogative and you can call guys what you want, but I would never call you an IRT and probably no one sane here did. The funny thing is that there is online-persona and views and real life. I know that Nick Krauser is friends with Indians, but he is closer to the Nazi-spectrum politically, though obviously he understands the difference of individuals as he is not a dumb cunt.

I personally served with a Sikh in the military and he was our company's best sharpshooter - very nice guy, one close friend back in the West was a half-Indian 6"5 guy with a white mother (according to Bojangles that guy lost his Indian card - heh - I don't know about that), I banged some crazy British-Indian girls who were more British, so one might say that I got immersed in the Indian culture balls-deep. And my long-term views of the country of India is even better, because I see the massive k-selected potential there that will yet manifest itself itself.

Anyway - peace out - drinks for everyone on me.

 

[TigerMandingo]

Cobra, great post.

The difference between someone who walks the walk vs. race-obsessed keyboard jockeys.

 

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

Agree mostly with the above.

Abortion, while I feel is immoral and would never advocate in my own life, is necessary to prevent dysgenic population growth.

The autistic libertarian view that all humans are interchangeable and GDP growth is the highest goal in policy also irks me.

Spending the past 20+ years exposed to ghetto & welfare culture made me pro-abortion. I have come to the conclusion we are a product far more of our genetics that our upbringing. Nature >>>> nurture. The 'blank slate' theory is a fraud. Low IQ thugs breed more low IQ thugs...

 

[Kid Twist]

^ Only meaningfully in welfare states.

 

[Graft]

Not having any sort of national healthcare. Is everyone really opposed to having a little extra tax for a guarantee that you won’t die from illness/injury?

 

[Tiger Man]

Not having any sort of national healthcare. Is everyone really opposed to having a little extra tax for a guarantee that you won’t die from illness/injury?

I have lived in countries with national healthcare and countries without. I can see the positives and negatives to both scenarios. That being said, my recent reading of and posts in the Huffington Post Fat Acceptance thread got me thinking about this.

In places like the UK and Canada, you have a huge number of people who are continuously (and I mean throughout their entire lives) sponging off of the healthcare system. And their healthcare problems, where they exist, are mostly self-caused and self-perpetuating.

I recently read an article that claimed that upwards of thirty percent of people in Saskatchewan have a registered disability. My recent hospital experience(s) in the Prairies lead me to believe that a good number of obese people are registered disabled. This provides benefits well beyond a nice parking spot (as long as the government is going to get involved, shouldn't we be having fat people park as far away from the door as possibe?). So, they get "free" healthcare, they are often prioritized for surgeries (over, say, geriatric patients), and they get ancillary benefits from the system.

If I am to support a publicly-funded system, two conditions are absolute requirements. The first is that a two-tiered system must be legally allowable. I shouldn't have to jump on a plane to New York if I want proper and expedient medical care. The second is that there must be patient accountability (skin in the game) for those with self-caused medical issues. For example, if you are morbidly obese and have been diagnosed as diabetic, I believe you should be put on a sort of "sliding scale" for medical and pharmaceutical coverage. As long as you stay obese, the scale continues to slide. In year one, 100% is covered. In year two, 80%. Etc. Etc. By year five, you are on your own. Half a decade is a reasonable amount of time for an individual to make significant changes to their diet and lifestyle, especially with that kind of incentive. Those that don't can avail themselves of charity or shuffle off (which they seem to want to anyway).

My .02.

 

[badvik97]

In America I disagree with the idea that Ronald Reagan is some sort of conservative god. Living in California I can tell you he has made getting a gun harder, ruined the state's demographics, and left a shit ton of debt. I like Rand and Ron Paul though so I am pretty far right wing. I think the attacks against Rand are pretty far out, he's a good man who does great things but just compromised on issues so he can get more done.

 

[bbgun]

America is an "idea"
We are a nation of immigrants
All men are created equal
NATO still necessary

etc.

 

[BlueMark]

- That car culture and suburban sprawl represent "freedom" and are the only viable solution for middle class living. High-density American cities like SF and NYC do a poor job of representing the concept of modern city living. Look at Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, and Singapore for good examples. Of course we all know that the people running US cities would never do that.

- That all Schedule I drugs should remain illegal. Substances like psilocybin and cannabis can be used for positive ends. Conservatives who are ignorant about these substances but think they should be illegal are like liberals and foreigners who are ignorant about firearms but think they should be heavily restricted or banned.

- That the educational system needs to be saved by fixing liberal policies such as affirmative action and political correctness. The real problems with modern education are systemic. It's simply not a good use of time for youths to spending ages 6-22 in educational institutions run by state-certified educators rather than being taught in the real life world through mentorship and hands-on experience. Plus it just teaches people (especially men) that they need to passively receive knowledge by their overlords rather than learning to acquire knowledge by self-motivated learning.

 

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

If I am to support a publicly-funded system, two conditions are absolute requirements.

Check out the system Singapore setup.

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