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Trump @ War Documentary by Steve Bannon - very Pro Trump Agenda and how it came about and where it is going... now watch free and send to everyone you know to help win hearts and minds before the midterms.
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Trump @ War Documentary by Steve Bannon - very Pro Trump Agenda and how it came about and where it is going... now watch free and send to everyone you know to help win hearts and minds before the midterms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TODyyR5GRqw&bpctr=1538770986
Click on YouTube's Offensive Material (To Liberals, Traitors and Communists) Warning.
Note the Patriots (Bannon & Colture, etc.) and Republicucks (Ben Shapiro etc) and Communist Radical Leftists Liberal Traitors all sort themselves out rather starkly...
Easy_C
Peacock
I'll bit one.
I wholeheartedly lambast the right's trend towards cop-worship. I also disagree with the whole BLM crowd because This is a civil liberties issue, not a "white privilege" issue
Remember it wasn't that long ago that Alex Jones was worried about it. You can also see on a constant basis new stories about someone getting their ass beat for fairly innocuous behavior .
Example Alex Jones story here: https://www.infowars.com/epidemic-of-police-brutality-now-sweeping-through-schools/
Civil Asset forfeiture has also been used in some crazy ways: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/30/the-7-most-egregious-examples-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
We've got a rampant behavior in the police where they enjoy beating people for looking at them the wrong way, have no problem ruining lives for technical law violation that people didn't even know they were breaking (like someone who had 100 syringes for a diabetic grandmother, which was illegal in IL), and any number of other abusive behaviors and tactics they use regularly....on top of a Federal Conviction rate of 97.5%. For reference even the infamous Nazi courts that decided whether you were to be sent to the death camps only had a conviction rate of about 92%.
You read that right. The Federal court system has a higher conviction rate than political show trials in Nazi Germany did....all 100% aboveboard I'm sure.
Think long and hard folks.....exactly how great are the odds that police like that, often juiced up, low-IQ morons itching for a fight to assuage their inferiority complex, going to refuse orders like a gun confiscation? Or any other crazy-ass order that the deep state gives them?
They won't and anyone who stops and thinks about it knows that.
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Edit:
just saw this:
How about this is a proposition:
Respond in a manner other than attacking strawman SJW ideas that literally nobody here is advocating
Then we can talk.
I wholeheartedly lambast the right's trend towards cop-worship. I also disagree with the whole BLM crowd because This is a civil liberties issue, not a "white privilege" issue
Remember it wasn't that long ago that Alex Jones was worried about it. You can also see on a constant basis new stories about someone getting their ass beat for fairly innocuous behavior .
Example Alex Jones story here: https://www.infowars.com/epidemic-of-police-brutality-now-sweeping-through-schools/
Civil Asset forfeiture has also been used in some crazy ways: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/30/the-7-most-egregious-examples-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
We've got a rampant behavior in the police where they enjoy beating people for looking at them the wrong way, have no problem ruining lives for technical law violation that people didn't even know they were breaking (like someone who had 100 syringes for a diabetic grandmother, which was illegal in IL), and any number of other abusive behaviors and tactics they use regularly....on top of a Federal Conviction rate of 97.5%. For reference even the infamous Nazi courts that decided whether you were to be sent to the death camps only had a conviction rate of about 92%.
You read that right. The Federal court system has a higher conviction rate than political show trials in Nazi Germany did....all 100% aboveboard I'm sure.
Think long and hard folks.....exactly how great are the odds that police like that, often juiced up, low-IQ morons itching for a fight to assuage their inferiority complex, going to refuse orders like a gun confiscation? Or any other crazy-ass order that the deep state gives them?
They won't and anyone who stops and thinks about it knows that.
***
Edit:
just saw this:
How about this is a proposition:
Respond in a manner other than attacking strawman SJW ideas that literally nobody here is advocating
Then we can talk.
Overt religiosity in politics and Reagan worship.
First reason came from being emotional abuse from family and students who used religion as an excuse to be a dick to me. Plus, not everybody believes in Jesus. Second one, I think Reagan is really overrated, I was just a toddler during his Presidency and the first President I remember was George H.W. Bush.
It was just the constant Reagan worship the GOP candidates did in 2008 and 2012 made them look really out of touch with the electorate.
First reason came from being emotional abuse from family and students who used religion as an excuse to be a dick to me. Plus, not everybody believes in Jesus. Second one, I think Reagan is really overrated, I was just a toddler during his Presidency and the first President I remember was George H.W. Bush.
It was just the constant Reagan worship the GOP candidates did in 2008 and 2012 made them look really out of touch with the electorate.
Easy_C said:
I've noticed especially when he cuts taxes and then raised them a ton throughout his administrations and didn't get a mob of conservatives after him. But when the moderate Herbert Walker, they called him a traitor.
Also, the guy probably had dementia throughout his terms.
Enoch said:
Quite correct. The first no fault divorce State in the US was California, which passed its no fault divorce law in 1969 when RR was Governor.
Canada (which has Federal laws on divorce, not Provincial) became no fault the year before in 1968 (always "happy" to see my home of Canada leading the US in societal decay).
Nevada was practically a no-fault State since the mid 1900s because its courts only required 3 months residency to apply and some of the evidence they accepted to prove fault was ridiculously flimsy. Reno was the divorce capital of the US for decades because of this. California managed to start the trend that ended their big competitive advantage.
Not a Second Hander
Robin
I consider myself a pragmatist and try to avoid absolutist dogma as much as I can.
I am a proponent of:
National Socialism (Baathism) when it comes to most poorer economies especially those in Africa and the Middle east where tribalism, secterian mentality and a backward population neccesitate such systems. I still think Baathism is THE most realistic political ideology for non western countries. God bless Michel Aflaq. I like classic liberalism and Ayn Rand libertarianism but only viable in a non-global economy within an already socially and mentally advanced country of a popu[/b]lation of less than say 25 million.
Social liberalism towards almost all 3rd world countries. Especially African, Middle eastern and subcontinental countries. Although social liberalism has been venturing too far for my tastes in the West.
Taxation and subsidized healthcare in ethnically and religiously homogenous countries. I would not mind paying a little bit more for what are essentially my extended family. I suspect most people wouldn't mind either.
Anti-gun laws for most countries including my own. I am pro-gun in Anglo countries and Europe where the economies are strong, people have jobs and prospects. Pro-gun people in these countries are essentially a bunch of hobbyists talking about rights and the constitution lol yeah right.
Pull the same stunt in Africa, the ME or SA where people would actually use those guns on real people. Law and order would seize to exist because we have people who are one step away from starvation, not Zach the 9-5 er who has watched too many Zombie apocalypse shows on Netflix disassembling his Uzi for his YouTube audience.
But as usual Americans are incapable of realizing that there exists a world outside the 50 states, surprisingly even on this fine board.
I am a proponent of:
National Socialism (Baathism) when it comes to most poorer economies especially those in Africa and the Middle east where tribalism, secterian mentality and a backward population neccesitate such systems. I still think Baathism is THE most realistic political ideology for non western countries. God bless Michel Aflaq. I like classic liberalism and Ayn Rand libertarianism but only viable in a non-global economy within an already socially and mentally advanced country of a popu[/b]lation of less than say 25 million.
Social liberalism towards almost all 3rd world countries. Especially African, Middle eastern and subcontinental countries. Although social liberalism has been venturing too far for my tastes in the West.
Taxation and subsidized healthcare in ethnically and religiously homogenous countries. I would not mind paying a little bit more for what are essentially my extended family. I suspect most people wouldn't mind either.
Anti-gun laws for most countries including my own. I am pro-gun in Anglo countries and Europe where the economies are strong, people have jobs and prospects. Pro-gun people in these countries are essentially a bunch of hobbyists talking about rights and the constitution lol yeah right.
Pull the same stunt in Africa, the ME or SA where people would actually use those guns on real people. Law and order would seize to exist because we have people who are one step away from starvation, not Zach the 9-5 er who has watched too many Zombie apocalypse shows on Netflix disassembling his Uzi for his YouTube audience.
But as usual Americans are incapable of realizing that there exists a world outside the 50 states, surprisingly even on this fine board.
Not a Second Hander said:
I would even say the same thing about many urban areas in the USA such as NYC. There are just too many crazy or antisocial people these days. If firearms were more easily accessible in these places, it's likely that there'd be more shootings and robberies at gunpoint. Plus, I don't trust the rest of the population in cities to have the proper mindset to get a concealed weapon for self-defense. It really is a matter of what the culture is like.
On the other hand, frst-world countries that are homogeneous and middle class could have lax gun laws without much ill effect. Japan and South Korea for example. At worst: there will be an increase in the suicide rate.
Easy_C said:
Agree Totally Reliance on cops for protection and cop worship is very sad and the conservatives push it. Being a bitch ass man who can't take care of himself is the ultimate in giving yourself over to the state. I'd have more respect for an SJW that will fight and stand up for himself than a conservative who doesn't have the balls.
Besides, cops that I see do not actually impress me on the whole.
- The fact that lesbians and feminist sluts have entered their ranks makes it even worse.
- I find so many of them egocentric betas in many cases with inferiority complexes.
- There used to be a height requirement for cops of 6 feet (?) in my parents time, while I don't think this was totally necessary, I see the point. Every cop I see has short man syndrome - and most shorter guys don't have that.
- In Canada, the tactical abilities of cops are also very questionable. They go to the range once a year as a requirement, and shoot at a target 20 yards away.
- Cops also want to claim hero status but are actually traffic enforcement. I would like to see a separation of traffic and real cops like in the US (highway patrol). So tiring seeing all these posers.
- Cops are unionized these days, and therefore don't actually have to compete or perform
I am all for law and order, and locking criminals up, but favour civil rights and responsibilities for all. These days they want men to call the cops if someone breaks into their house, give me a fucking break. Let the wife call the cops who will arrive to file the report an hour later when everyone is dead.
Also agree totally that cops can be turned against us incredibly quickly. These are the guys white knighting men out of houses they own because the woman makes a call. They will have no issue adopting SJW stuff, it actually gives them the monopoly on physical force and strength. The fact that cops show up at schools now after a playground fight shows how fucking gay they are.
I don't really care about abortion one way or another. Conservatives bitch and moan about the murder of "unborn babies" but then when those babies grow up to be 18 it's ok to ship them off and die for Israel.
Nigga please..
Nigga please..
This isn't exactly an idea, but a common argument made by conservatives in the US against immigration for non-whites. I hear it all the time and it does not make any sense. Even Stefan Molyneux makes this argument, and he should be smarter than this.
The argument is: the left is importing voters by bringing brown people over. That may be true, but only circumstantially. They go on to say that if the US is to take immigrants it should be from Europe or the European diaspora. Ethnically it may make sense. But if they really only care about ideas, then it is absurd.
Have they looked at Europe or the diaspora countries outside of the US? Do they know anything about it? Who do they think voted in all the socialists and supports all their anti-conservative policies? Have they spoken to an average European? They are anti-gun, anti-tradition, anti-European, anti-Christian; pro-abortion, pro-socialist, pro-LGBT AND pro-immigration from anywhere. Even if you look at most anti-immigration parties in Europe, and the people who support them, they are still completely lefty, they just want leftism for white people because they realize bringing all these Muslims and Africans will really encroach on their hedonism and welfare state.
Before there were any Africans or Arabs in Europe, Europeans were stupid enough to vote for their own demise and they have not repented - they have only gotten worse. Similarly, and even in America, which group is most consistently and aggressively hardcore leftist? White liberals. Blacks and Hispanics in general just want the gimme dats. It's the whites who are ideologically leftist.
So, in conclusion, this argument is just as retarded as any leftist talking point. Perhaps more so, because you would expect better from them.
The argument is: the left is importing voters by bringing brown people over. That may be true, but only circumstantially. They go on to say that if the US is to take immigrants it should be from Europe or the European diaspora. Ethnically it may make sense. But if they really only care about ideas, then it is absurd.
Have they looked at Europe or the diaspora countries outside of the US? Do they know anything about it? Who do they think voted in all the socialists and supports all their anti-conservative policies? Have they spoken to an average European? They are anti-gun, anti-tradition, anti-European, anti-Christian; pro-abortion, pro-socialist, pro-LGBT AND pro-immigration from anywhere. Even if you look at most anti-immigration parties in Europe, and the people who support them, they are still completely lefty, they just want leftism for white people because they realize bringing all these Muslims and Africans will really encroach on their hedonism and welfare state.
Before there were any Africans or Arabs in Europe, Europeans were stupid enough to vote for their own demise and they have not repented - they have only gotten worse. Similarly, and even in America, which group is most consistently and aggressively hardcore leftist? White liberals. Blacks and Hispanics in general just want the gimme dats. It's the whites who are ideologically leftist.
So, in conclusion, this argument is just as retarded as any leftist talking point. Perhaps more so, because you would expect better from them.
ilostabet said:
While this part is true, you're missing the larger point. Let me explain:
You don't get industrious/the kind of people you need from south of the border, because if they are industrious or super intelligent, etc. --- whatever characteristic you are seeking for your country --- they ALREADY own that "latino" society and are on top. They don't need to come. In many ways it's already better. At best, they'll come for the university and then go back and make it rain even more with their family and bodyguards on the 100 acres of land and plantation.
With the current migration pattern, you get simple people and potentially hard workers who are marxist because they have seen that disparity already, and have the leftist covetousness in them from all the years of indoctrination and inability to understand what happened to make Chile a great economy vs all the other marxist pieces of shit that have had their currencies collapse multiple times.
On the other hand, the truly industrious from Europe are selected for when you get them to come over and it is a big boon for them to be out of the socialist yoke. Otherwise, if they are truly socialists as you say, they won't come so you have nothing to worry about. With the current reality of cultural suicide and danger, yes, you'll have to be even more careful since it might be flight from just physical harm or the future of such harm --- writing on the wall. The history has been Euro flight to USA, Canada, or Australia precisely by people not corrupted or having connections with the gov't, thus leaving the zombie socialist/communists behind, again leading to the current problem.
There is a racial/identity divide too, which in all nations eventually (we're seeing this now) comes to fore. Just like all democracies fail for reasons we are seeing right now (largesse given to the masses for votes), they also fail for correlated reasons when people don't look like one another and are pulling in the same direction culturally, religiously on some level, and with what they feel is truly shared history. If you don't like the way that sounds, just suffice to say that in such situations it makes perfect sense precisely because no identity politics hack can even stake claim in the process of chaos, division in order to take advantage of it ...
You thought about the topic well, just lacked a little depth.
Ilostabet makes a very good point, and in any case with an increasingly automated workforce most nations should be looking for viable ways to shrink their populations, not increase them.
Sane nations opt for no immigration whatsoever and figure out how to maximize the value of their native population.
Sane nations opt for no immigration whatsoever and figure out how to maximize the value of their native population.
Kid Twist said:
I think this is extremely naive. We don't have to use our imagination, all we have to do is look at the 40s migrations from Europe. The US imported smart Europeans and Ashkenazim (which most evidence suggests are European, not Semites - but this is a topic for another time), and look at the transformations these people and their descendants brought upon society.
These people, especially the smart and dangerous ones, will not avoid going to the US. No, they will go, and they will subvert the society's norms - silently, which is worse. There's much more to be feared in the long run from a small minority of subversives who look like you, than from a brown horde of violent primitives. Much easier to see the impact of the primitives, than the subversion - and the popularity of liberal anti-immigration sentiment in Europe and US proves my point. Many people are now seeing the effects of non-European immigration in the form of crime and disorder. They do not see however the effects of hedonism and liberalism - in fact, they want to protect their hedonism and liberalism from the brown hordes.
This is why I consider immigration a symptom, not the disease - and that attacking the symptom while leaving the disease intact is the biggest error of the current crop of dissident right wingers.
bobmjilica
Sparrow
I reject most of capitalism, since our economy is already controlled. I reject Israel. And I reject the idea that we can 'make immigrants conservative. We need to end all immigration and have social welfare programs that allow whites to have more babies. So I guess I'm somewhat of a socialist in that regard.
I reject executive power, in other words i think the three federal government branches should be coequal--ie no blank check given to the executive, and no obstructionism making of new laws from the judicial.
I also am a firm believer in states rights, liberals are free to do what they want in their states (whatever they want for gays or illegal immigrants), but the conservatives are free to promote gun rights or restrict abortions.
Also am not a war-hawk, so I am opposed to the "war on terrorism" as a concept, foreign interventions, and also the propping up of loyal governments, as well as recognizing new governments on a whim.
These days I find myself in favor of regulating big tech as public utilities, or at least going the anti-trust route.
On drugs, I favor decriminalization at the bare minimum, because the drug war has not worked. Full stop.
Sentencing reform needs to be done for the people (large number of men) in our prisons. We need to shed the legacy of being a prison state.
Mass surveillance needs to stop, I do have stuff to hide-- it's called privacy.
I favor successionism because I think it's democratic in the most fundamental sense. California, Catalonia or whoever is free to secede. If they don't want us, I don't want them.
I also am a firm believer in states rights, liberals are free to do what they want in their states (whatever they want for gays or illegal immigrants), but the conservatives are free to promote gun rights or restrict abortions.
Also am not a war-hawk, so I am opposed to the "war on terrorism" as a concept, foreign interventions, and also the propping up of loyal governments, as well as recognizing new governments on a whim.
These days I find myself in favor of regulating big tech as public utilities, or at least going the anti-trust route.
On drugs, I favor decriminalization at the bare minimum, because the drug war has not worked. Full stop.
Sentencing reform needs to be done for the people (large number of men) in our prisons. We need to shed the legacy of being a prison state.
Mass surveillance needs to stop, I do have stuff to hide-- it's called privacy.
I favor successionism because I think it's democratic in the most fundamental sense. California, Catalonia or whoever is free to secede. If they don't want us, I don't want them.