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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger Man" data-source="post: 1214915" data-attributes="member: 14216"><p>Okay... going to steer clear of any race stuff...</p><p></p><p>I consider myself right wing, but I can no longer identify as conservative (in the US or Canadian sense). I think many might classify my views as reactionary, but some of them could honestly be considered progressive. </p><p></p><p>In no particular order:</p><p></p><p>I despise most neocon talking points. Specifically, I fundamentally disagree with nation building. More so, I disagree with the philosophy that underpins nation building. Not all countries or people will accept, thrive under, or benefit from an American, classically liberal, (mixed) free-market, capitalist economy. It may just be that the Russians need and, indeed, prefer to have soft dictator strongmen leading their country. </p><p></p><p>GDP/GNP is not the be all and end all of a country. Likewise, unemployment rates do not, necessarily, indicate the success or failure of a country. I think many on this board would appreciate a crude unemployment rate of 50% (no women in the workforce). </p><p></p><p>I can't stand that libertarianism has been hijacked to focus on a small number of base issues - namely, marijuana and sex. </p><p></p><p>On the other hand, I am not exactly a hardliner on these issues either. If you made me god-emperor tomorrow, I would probably outlaw pornography and legalize prostitution. </p><p></p><p>On abortion, I am split. I hate it, but I understand the points others on the thread have made. So, how's this? Abortion is legal up to a certain number of weeks, and it is fully paid for. But, the women who get them are "tracked". On receiving your third abortion, you are immediately sterilized. That will limit these idiot women who get 9/10/15 abortions, without adding to the bad lines of society. </p><p></p><p>As to law and order, so-called conservatives have destroyed the system. In this area, I honestly side more with progressive prison reform supporters (up to a point). I would like to see the people serving time for non-violent crime pay their penance in another way. Fine them. Make them work some sort of community service project. Make them rebuild roads and bridges. Whatever. As to the true, violent offenders... I'm for more old-school solutions. Lock them up and throw away the key. For serious sexual offenders (where there is DNA and video/witnesses/whatever) castrate them. </p><p></p><p>As to the West, I have adopted many of the philosophical precepts of High Toryism. </p><p></p><p>I disagree with the pure egalitarianism that many "conservatives" espouse. People sort in to ranked classes in all societies. Some of these classes are better than others. They should be viewed as such. This is fact. </p><p></p><p>The push by some "conservatives" towards industrialization/servicification of certain (usually urban) areas and the push to populate those areas is a disastrous policy. Large conurbations destroy social connections, families, and morals. I am not a strict agrarian, but smaller community living should be encouraged. </p><p></p><p>There is a push in many modern "conservative" communities to support all religious people. The line of thinking seems to be that if I am a Christian and I support Buddhists, I am merely standing up for religious liberty. The problem is that this leads to the view that all religions are equal. They are not. It is very clear what religions contributed to political and social thought in certain areas of the world. In the same way, I disagree with a lot of the Christian ecumenism that is seen on the American "right" as well as the Zionist Evangelicals (who even the Jews don't like).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger Man, post: 1214915, member: 14216"] Okay... going to steer clear of any race stuff... I consider myself right wing, but I can no longer identify as conservative (in the US or Canadian sense). I think many might classify my views as reactionary, but some of them could honestly be considered progressive. In no particular order: I despise most neocon talking points. Specifically, I fundamentally disagree with nation building. More so, I disagree with the philosophy that underpins nation building. Not all countries or people will accept, thrive under, or benefit from an American, classically liberal, (mixed) free-market, capitalist economy. It may just be that the Russians need and, indeed, prefer to have soft dictator strongmen leading their country. GDP/GNP is not the be all and end all of a country. Likewise, unemployment rates do not, necessarily, indicate the success or failure of a country. I think many on this board would appreciate a crude unemployment rate of 50% (no women in the workforce). I can't stand that libertarianism has been hijacked to focus on a small number of base issues - namely, marijuana and sex. On the other hand, I am not exactly a hardliner on these issues either. If you made me god-emperor tomorrow, I would probably outlaw pornography and legalize prostitution. On abortion, I am split. I hate it, but I understand the points others on the thread have made. So, how's this? Abortion is legal up to a certain number of weeks, and it is fully paid for. But, the women who get them are "tracked". On receiving your third abortion, you are immediately sterilized. That will limit these idiot women who get 9/10/15 abortions, without adding to the bad lines of society. As to law and order, so-called conservatives have destroyed the system. In this area, I honestly side more with progressive prison reform supporters (up to a point). I would like to see the people serving time for non-violent crime pay their penance in another way. Fine them. Make them work some sort of community service project. Make them rebuild roads and bridges. Whatever. As to the true, violent offenders... I'm for more old-school solutions. Lock them up and throw away the key. For serious sexual offenders (where there is DNA and video/witnesses/whatever) castrate them. As to the West, I have adopted many of the philosophical precepts of High Toryism. I disagree with the pure egalitarianism that many "conservatives" espouse. People sort in to ranked classes in all societies. Some of these classes are better than others. They should be viewed as such. This is fact. The push by some "conservatives" towards industrialization/servicification of certain (usually urban) areas and the push to populate those areas is a disastrous policy. Large conurbations destroy social connections, families, and morals. I am not a strict agrarian, but smaller community living should be encouraged. There is a push in many modern "conservative" communities to support all religious people. The line of thinking seems to be that if I am a Christian and I support Buddhists, I am merely standing up for religious liberty. The problem is that this leads to the view that all religions are equal. They are not. It is very clear what religions contributed to political and social thought in certain areas of the world. In the same way, I disagree with a lot of the Christian ecumenism that is seen on the American "right" as well as the Zionist Evangelicals (who even the Jews don't like). [/QUOTE]
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