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MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I used to work in a locked-in psych ward, where restraining dangerous and violent people was an everyday occurrence. We were not allowed to use chemical (sedative) or mechanical (cuff) restraints, and subsequently had to do it manually: locking them up with our hands, taking them down to the ground, and pinning them down in such a way that they were no longer a danger to themselves and others.

I’m not defending the cop who did this, but I do have to add some relevant information. When you restrain someone, they ALWAYS say that you’re hurting them. They ALWAYS say that they can’t breathe, or you’re breaking their wrist/arm/leg/rib/whatever. Claiming injury is the default, instinctual reaction to try and get you off of them once they’ve realized they can’t physically overpower you. In the psych ward there was always a nurse available to closely observe each and every restraint, to guarantee the restrainee’s safety or ask you to reposition if you were actually at risk of harming them.

Obviously there is no nurse in the street that follows cops around to double-check. I’d imagine that the cop had heard every possible reason for why he should get up and end the restraint, including “I can’t breathe” dozens or hundreds of times. It’s unfortunate and sad that in this case it turned out to be true. But in that position, in the middle of the situation, you can’t simply stop what you’re doing because the person is claiming injury. There’s a very high chance of danger to you if you get up because they claim injury. It’s not a fun thing to restrain people or listen to them scream while you do it. But I have zero doubt that their training says not to end restraints when the person being arrested claims they’re being injured, because it’s probably true once for every hundred times it isn’t.

It’s a lose-lose situation for everybody involved.
 
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CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
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Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I used to work in a locked-in psych ward, where restraining dangerous and violent people was an everyday occurrence. We were not allowed to use chemical (sedative) or mechanical (cuff) restraints, and subsequently had to do it manually: locking them up with our hands, taking them down to the ground, and pinning them down in such a way that they were no longer a danger to themselves and others.
The problem is cops in America don't know how to use these techniques. That's why they kill an average of 3 Americans each day. They go straight for the trigger time after time (like the Albuquerque police shooting the guy camping in the woods alone in 2017). I guess they don't teach the old fashioned restraint methods in the Israeli training programs though.

Oh wait this is supposed to be the funny thread:
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Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
I used to work in a locked-in psych ward, where restraining dangerous and violent people was an everyday occurrence. We were not allowed to use chemical (sedative) or mechanical (cuff) restraints, and subsequently had to do it manually: locking them up with our hands, taking them down to the ground, and pinning them down in such a way that they were no longer a danger to themselves and others.

I’m not defending the cop who did this, but I do have to add some relevant information. When you restrain someone, they ALWAYS say that you’re hurting them. They ALWAYS say that they can’t breathe, or you’re breaking their wrist/arm/leg/rib/whatever. Claiming injury is the default, instinctual reaction to try and get you off of them once they’ve realized they can’t physically overpower you. In the psych ward there was always a nurse available to closely observe each and every restraint, to guarantee the restrainee’s safety or ask you to reposition if you were actually at risk of harming them.

Obviously there is no nurse in the street that follows cops around to double-check. I’d imagine that the cop had heard every possible reason for why he should get up and end the restraint, including “I can’t breathe” dozens or hundreds of times. It’s unfortunate and sad that in this case it turned out to be true. But in that position, in the middle of the situation, you can’t simply stop what you’re doing because the person is claiming injury. There’s a very high chance of danger to you if you get up because they claim injury. It’s not a fun thing to restrain people or listen to them scream while you do it. But I have zero doubt that their training says not to end restraints when the person being arrested claims they’re being injured, because it’s probably true once for every hundred times it isn’t.

It’s a lose-lose situation for everybody involved.

Great, informative post. I alluded to something earlier along these lines very early in the thread when many people were saying there was no excuse for what happened. On LivePD, I've seen it tons of times. Black guy gets argumentative or resists arrest. He gets restrained. Every time: "You're hurting me." "I can't breathe." They know the schtick. Suspects of all races lie constantly. Cops hear it all day long. That cop I know said that the lying just wears him down, and he's a good Christian man.

So here's what I'm guessing we'll find out happened: The guy was causing problems and had to be restrained. The cop put him in a legal neck hold. He figured the guy was lying when he was begging to be let up, because that's what they all do. The guy is the one-in-ten-thousand who dies as a result of drugs and pre-existing conditions as a result of being restrained.

It's a sad thing you don't want to see happen, but what do you realistically do? Maybe there are additional restraint protocols the police can put in place. Still, if what I described above is what happened, then that's not a murder charge. It's arguably not involuntary manslaughter either, and even if it's that if I was a cop I'd be evaluating my vocation when I could get a manslaughter rap for restraining someone.

In any event, this is why I told furious people from the start: always wait for more of the story to come out. It's rarely as easy as they make it, and if Benjamin Crump is the involved attorney then you can take it to the bank that there's a lot more to the story. I mean, there were people saying at the start of this that the cop was "enjoying" snuffing the life out of Mr. Floyd when he wasn't even asphyxiated.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
The US police are brutal because that is what the elites who pay them expect. They are not “public servants”. They are our masters. Notice that the claim is “systemic police abuse” but none of the Democratic governors has proposed any police reforms to the looting. If they are serious about their claim, wouldn’t that be the solution? The reality is the police will continue their present policies to protect the property of Bill Gates, George Soros, and the other elites – their primary function. Notice the cops bending the knee in front of the protesters. They would give us the same respect, instead of a ticket for not wearing a mask, if we acted the same way to the loss of our liberties. They are employees and want to be paid.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Great, informative post. I alluded to something earlier along these lines very early in the thread when many people were saying there was no excuse for what happened. On LivePD, I've seen it tons of times. Black guy gets argumentative or resists arrest. He gets restrained. Every time: "You're hurting me." "I can't breathe." They know the schtick. Suspects of all races lie constantly. Cops hear it all day long. That cop I know said that the lying just wears him down, and he's a good Christian man.

So here's what I'm guessing we'll find out happened: The guy was causing problems and had to be restrained. The cop put him in a legal neck hold. He figured the guy was lying when he was begging to be let up, because that's what they all do. The guy is the one-in-ten-thousand who dies as a result of drugs and pre-existing conditions as a result of being restrained.

It's a sad thing you don't want to see happen, but what do you realistically do? Maybe there are additional restraint protocols the police can put in place. Still, if what I described above is what happened, then that's not a murder charge. It's arguably not involuntary manslaughter either, and even if it's that if I was a cop I'd be evaluating my vocation when I could get a manslaughter rap for restraining someone.

In any event, this is why I told furious people from the start: always wait for more of the story to come out. It's rarely as easy as they make it, and if Benjamin Crump is the involved attorney then you can take it to the bank that there's a lot more to the story. I mean, there were people saying at the start of this that the cop was "enjoying" snuffing the life out of Mr. Floyd when he wasn't even asphyxiated.

Like we saw with the Michael Brown case, the riots will just continue if they don't get the outcome they want. Even with a Grand Jury looking through every shred of evidence and concluding that the media narrative was false, not a single "protest" stopped because that wasn't what they wanted to hear. When has truth ever been relevant for radicals? Lies are their lifeblood.
 
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