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Troller

Woodpecker
I agree with this. Voxday made a compelling argument recently that "Capitalism is worse for your country than communism". Capitalism invites immigration, and destroys nations. Communism kills en masse yes, and it also destroys the economy, but Poland is still Poland, Russia is still Russia, China is still Chineese.
Because they are shitholes. Nobody wants to emigrate to communist countries. When the wall of Berlin fell people ran to capitalism not the other way. I don’t see boats of Americans going to Cuba. Do you see English emigrating to Poland to work in construction?
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
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Because they are shitholes. Nobody wants to emigrate to communist countries. When the wall of Berlin fell people ran to capitalism not the other way. I don’t see boats of Americans going to Cuba. Do you see English emigrating to Poland to work in construction?
I strongly disagree that Poland is a shithole. It's not rich, but requiring immense wealth in order to consider yourself a "successful nation" is part of the problem here. Wealth should be a reward of a life lived well, not the goal.
 

Troller

Woodpecker
I strongly disagree that Poland is a shithole. It's not rich, but requiring immense wealth in order to consider yourself a "successful nation" is part of the problem here. Wealth should be a reward of a life lived well, not the goal.
My point was more poor countries remain ethnically strong because there’s no emigration. Nobody wants to go there.

Poland population migrated to UK.
There’s more people leaving Poland than entering. Now we can spin it the way anyone wants but if the own countries population doesn’t want to live there what does that mean? Can we defend a country system which own population is leaving it?Poland still has the scares of communism. But is improving after dropping it.

People reject communism. Like now people are fleeing California. It’s against people nature. It’s empirical. Whoever defends communism should live in a communist society. A Chilean reporter got stranded in Cuba during covid crisis. It was nice to see her reaction.
 
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NoMoreTO

Pelican
That is like saying that a nuclear bomb is more effective than bug spray for killing bugs in your home. Technically correct, but at what cost?

Moreover, it is now proven that communism is not a sustainable economic system, so what is the point of such an argument? It just doesn't work.

Besides, ask the Latvians how the communist Russification of their nation (and other nations) worked out for them. Or ask Tibet about how the incursion of communist China worked out for them.
It's a technical argument about the survival of the nation. The red army fought largely out of patriotism to the mother land as I understand it, not love of their oppressors.

The Point is -> Capitalist Countries like France, England have had their populations overrun with immigrants who will never leave without a massive war. Their national identities are in the process of being destroyed. As nations, Eastern Europe is in a much worse state.

I agree with you regarding latvia, & tibet, but capitalism also exports corporate culture, and products whether or not the smaller country wants them or not.
 
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Woodpecker
It's a technical argument about the survival of the nation. The red army fought largely out of patriotism to the mother land as I understand it, not love of their oppressors.

The Point is -> Capitalist Countries like France, England have had their populations overrun with immigrants who will never leave without a massive war. Their national identities are in the process of being destroyed. As nations, Eastern Europe is in a much worse state.

I agree with you regarding latvia, & tibet, but capitalism also exports corporate culture, and products whether or not the smaller country wants them or not.
Rich families kids like to pretend their communists. It’s a way for them to reject family money. Grandfather made the cash and grandson likes to pretend he is an intelectual. These antifa kids. Their wealthy. It’s a way of showing they have money but are not displaying it. Which is wealthy families goal. Understated wealth. Fuck them. They don’t know what their doing until it becomes too late.
 
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I'm reading Sam Francis, and man this guy was too real! Logic and knowledge of history made him unapologetic about his Conservative stances. Here's a small excerpt (written in 1996):
Today, despite the conquest of virtually the entire planet by Indo-Europeans by the end of the 19th century, the same fate appears to face modern European Man. Only the European nations of the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, and Europe itself face hordes of non-white immigrants who threaten to engulf us and our civilization. Having conquered them through military combat and technological and economic progress, we nevertheless face racial and cultural extinction as the perversion of our strengths into weaknesses is exploited against us and our rivals seek victory through our back doors. European Man can survive today only if he begins to recognize that victory through honorable combat is not enough; he must also be prepared to meet the challenges on the level of cultural combat, and the only way he can do so is through recovery of his racial heritage, the roots of who we are and where we come from as a people.
 

911

Peacock
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Socialism, marxism, multiculturalism, diversity, feminism, progressivism. All tenants of the same religion.
What's really important here, and perhaps one point that Leonard is trying to make here, is that this cultural rot also permeates American "Conservatism", the notion that America "is an idea", rot deliberately placed by the people funding Conservative Inc, illustrated by this Charlie Kirk speech:

 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
What's really important here, and perhaps one point that Leonard is trying to make here, is that this cultural rot also permeates American "Conservatism", the notion that America "is an idea", rot deliberately placed by the people funding Conservative Inc, illustrated by this Charlie Kirk speech:
That is just bonkers on many levels. I do not know a single conservative who would agree with that crazy notion. America is an idea only in regard to the Republican system and rights enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, but it obviously also involves a land, a people, an economic system, etc.
 

911

Peacock
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It's a technical argument about the survival of the nation. The red army fought largely out of patriotism to the mother land as I understand it, not love of their oppressors.

The Point is -> Capitalist Countries like France, England have had their populations overrun with immigrants who will never leave without a massive war. Their national identities are in the process of being destroyed. As nations, Eastern Europe is in a much worse state.

I agree with you regarding latvia, & tibet, but capitalism also exports corporate culture, and products whether or not the smaller country wants them or not.

I looked up Tibet, it's a huge province, twice the size of Texas, but with a tiny population of 3 million, 90% of which is Tibetan. Keep in mind that Tibet has always had a Chinese minority, there are ancient geographic and cultural ties in the region.

If China really wanted to destroy Tibet, it could have easily crushed it demographically, the way for example Israel aggressively settles the West Bank, or globalists target white states like Minnesota or Sweden with African mass immigration. It would only have taken China settling Tibet with 0.2% of its crowded eastern Han to overwhelm that province demographically.


In the Baltic states, the Bolsheviks essentially did to them what they did to Ukraine, suppressing Christian nationalism and culling the population. The main motivation here was tribal, religious, and not political, that much is certain if you look at the ethnic makeup of the CHEKA and bolshevik power structure. Estonian writer Jüri Lina summirized it in his book "Under the sign of the scorpion":

 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
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I looked up Tibet, it's a huge province, twice the size of Texas, but with a tiny population of 3 million, 90% of which is Tibetan. Keep in mind that Tibet has always had a Chinese minority, there are ancient geographic and cultural ties in the region.

If China really wanted to destroy Tibet, it could have easily crushed it demographically, the way for example Israel aggressively settles the West Bank, or globalists target white states like Minnesota or Sweden with African mass immigration. It would only have taken China settling Tibet with 0.2% of its crowded eastern Han to overwhelm that province demographically.

In the Baltic states, the Bolsheviks essentially did to them what they did to Ukraine, suppressing Christian nationalism and culling the population. The main motivation here was tribal, religious, and not political, that much is certain if you look at the ethnic makeup of the CHEKA and bolshevik power structure. Estonian writer Jüri Lina summirized it in his book "Under the sign of the scorpion":
Basically, everything that you stated is wrong:

Sinicization of Tibet is a phrase which is used by critics of Chinese rule in Tibet in reference to the cultural assimilation which has occurred in Tibetan areas of China (including the Tibet Autonomous Region and surrounding Tibetan-designated autonomous areas) and has made these areas resemble mainstream Chinese society. The changes, which have been evident since the incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China in 1950–51, have been facilitated by a range of economic, social, cultural, religious and political reforms which have been introduced to Tibet by the Chinese government. Critics cite the government-sponsored migration of large numbers of Han Chinese into the Tibet Autonomous Region as a major component of sinicization.

According to the government of Tibet in exile, Chinese policy has resulted in the disappearance of elements of Tibetan culture; this has been called "cultural genocide".[1][2] The government in exile says that the policies intend to make Tibet an integral part of China and control desire for Tibetan self-determination.

Lack of politically reliable local cadres meant that the Soviets increasingly placed Russians in party and government leadership positions. Many Russian Latvian Communists who had survived the so-called 1937–38 "Latvian Operation" during the Great Purge were sent back to the homeland of their parents. Most of these Soviets did not speak Latvian and this only enforced the wall of distrust against the local population. By 1953 Latvia's Communist Party had 42,000 members, half of whom were Latvians.[15]

To replace the lost population (due to war casualties, refugees to the West and deportees to the East) and to implement a heavy industrialization program, hundreds of thousands of Russians were moved to Latvia. An extensive program of Russification was initiated, limiting the use of Latvian and minority languages. In addition, the leading and progressive role of Russian people throughout the Latvian history was heavily emphasized in school books, arts and literature. The remaining poets, writers and painters had to follow the strict cannons of socialist realism and to live in constant fear of being accused of some ideological mistake which could lead to ban from publication or even arrest.
 

911

Peacock
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That is just bonkers on many levels. I do not know a single conservative who would agree with that crazy notion. America is an idea only in regard to the Republican system and rights enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, but it obviously also involves a land, a people, an economic system, etc.
Nearly all of BoomerCon and Con Inc is mired in that ideological plantation of free trade and open/half-open borders. For those on the right edges of The notion of "American people" or Heritage Americans of is off-limits in Con Inc.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
What's really important here, and perhaps one point that Leonard is trying to make here, is that this cultural rot also permeates American "Conservatism", the notion that America "is an idea", rot deliberately placed by the people funding Conservative Inc, illustrated by this Charlie Kirk speech:

When you have the right wing falsely discussing fascism and falsely discussing socialism, without delving in to reality of what these terms mean or why when they are discussed they are so popular, is very telling.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Nearly all of BoomerCon and Con Inc is mired in that ideological plantation of free trade and open/half-open borders. For those on the right edges of The notion of "American people" or Heritage Americans of is off-limits in Con Inc.
Well, we obviously have different definitions of "conservative."
 

911

Peacock
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Basically, everything that you stated is wrong:


I was a bit wrong in saying that the population of Tibet is 90% Tibetan, it is actually 92% Tibetan, and 8% Chinese, somehow Wikepidia's article above doesn't mention this, perhaps this basic data refutes the whole notion of Tibetan sinification. China has taken over Tibet in the 1950s, it could have easily changed that balance and completely crushed Tibet demographically by now. There is less than a quarter million ethnic Chinese in Tibet today, out of a total population of 3 million.

On Latvia: I think you meant (((Russian Communists))).
 
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Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
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I was a bit wrong in saying that the population of Tibet is 90% Tibetan, it is actually 92% Tibetan, and 8% Chinese, somehow Wikepidia's article above doesn't mention this, perhaps this basic data refutes the whole notion of Tibetan sinification. China has taken over Tibet in the 1950s, it could have easily changed that balance and crushed Tibet demographically.
You are purposely missing the point. The numbers are irrelevant. "Chinese policy has resulted in the disappearance of elements of Tibetan culture; this has been called "cultural genocide"." You guys argued that communism saves a nation's essence, its culture. It doesn't. It enslaves and destroys.
 

911

Peacock
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You are purposely missing the point. The numbers are irrelevant. "Chinese policy has resulted in the disappearance of elements of Tibetan culture; this has been called "cultural genocide"." You guys argued that communism saves a nation's essence, its culture. It doesn't. It enslaves and destroys.
Demographics is destiny, you crush a people through demographics, the way realist, ruthless Kalergists like Barbara Lerner Specter are crushing Sweden and the rest of Europe, and the way your types of open border "conservatives" have collaborated with leftists to crush America demographically.

Houston Texas:



Illinois is 20% hispanic today. ILLINOIS.


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NoMoreTO

Pelican
Demographics is destinity. The US constitution was written for the inhabitants of the land, and their descendants.

"WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ..."

Posterity
1: the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
2: all future generations

I tend to think they believed in it in the first sense. It would be more intelligent. They weren't donating the country to the 'world' as Charlie Kirk does.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
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At some point if virtually no "conservative" thought leaders are by any definition "conservative" then the you know you're being played and you need to abandon that crappy term. Granted it's easier said than done. We're herded persistently like sheep to use these terms by the very people who have weaponized them. By definition to conserve something is a passive act that disallows gains and only ever results in a loss or a tie. Otherwise you'd be a restorationist or a traditionalist.

Conservatism is the stance of "please leave me enough of my heritage so that I can die with some small measure of dignity while leaving my children and my children's children to suffer the worst of it."

But try to find a term like traditionalist or restorationist in even a Right wing outlet. Good luck. They barely dare to utter the word constitutionalist anymore because it has the dreaded implication of having to take back something already lost.

Conservatives are losers by definition.
 
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