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<blockquote data-quote="Aboulia" data-source="post: 1529948" data-attributes="member: 16697">The Orthodox are to be the rational faith, and it is entirely irrational to condone an experimental medical treatment that there is no open discourse on, no alternatives are discussed, and dissenting voices are silenced. Medical treatment begins from the ground of doing no harm. Since long term studies cannot possibly have been done, then this claim cannot be made. Since this claim cannot be made, it is entirely unjust to go along with it. So it cannot be said that the vaccines bear no spiritual significance, as body and spirit are intertwined in the human condition so what you do to your body at any level affects your spirit. If you inject your body with unknown, untested chemicals, it may affect you spiritually. To affirm in the negative is either grossly negligent or has caved to the powers that be, in which his &quot;counsel&quot; is to be ignored.Any Orthodox hierarch worthy of his position will oppose all coercive experimental measures, since it has become akin to &quot;sacrifice to the Gods or face punishment&quot;. The martyrs died to uphold the truth, opposing unjust irrational dictates, and it is spitting on their memory to condone similar actions. The Orthodox faith pulls no punches about the reality of our situation in the fallen world, and is the best guide to life. We do not put blind trust in bishops, grace does not come from clergy, we are not Roman Catholics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aboulia, post: 1529948, member: 16697"] The Orthodox are to be the rational faith, and it is entirely irrational to condone an experimental medical treatment that there is no open discourse on, no alternatives are discussed, and dissenting voices are silenced. Medical treatment begins from the ground of doing no harm. Since long term studies cannot possibly have been done, then this claim cannot be made. Since this claim cannot be made, it is entirely unjust to go along with it. So it cannot be said that the vaccines bear no spiritual significance, as body and spirit are intertwined in the human condition so what you do to your body at any level affects your spirit. If you inject your body with unknown, untested chemicals, it may affect you spiritually. To affirm in the negative is either grossly negligent or has caved to the powers that be, in which his "counsel" is to be ignored. Any Orthodox hierarch worthy of his position will oppose all coercive experimental measures, since it has become akin to "sacrifice to the Gods or face punishment". The martyrs died to uphold the truth, opposing unjust irrational dictates, and it is spitting on their memory to condone similar actions. The Orthodox faith pulls no punches about the reality of our situation in the fallen world, and is the best guide to life. We do not put blind trust in bishops, grace does not come from clergy, we are not Roman Catholics. [/QUOTE]

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