Roosh and his American women posts
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Roosh said:
Roosh, American women ARE overrated. But.... they aren't THAT bad.
Would you rather be in India or in DC? I can think of numerous other countries that are worse for pussy than the US. I know it's the old 'there are kids starving in Africa' argument, but it's true.
In reality, American women are in the middle of the pack and not worth mentioning. They don't deserve to standout for anything.
Roosh said:
LOL, thanks for the name drop.
I felt that a critique was in order given that one statement was just so out there I almost spit out my coffee.
The only acceptable duty for the female human is to take care of the cock and the casa. Anything else is superfluous and detrimental to the process of life.
I have a sister at Tufts university, brilliant woman, does lots of community organizing and political activism in America (inner cities of Boston and West Palm Beach when she is visiting back home) and a lot of activism in African countries (Darfur, Uganda, all that shit). I watched this girl grow up, went to her bat mitzvah, had conversations about life with her, smoked weed with her, coached her through her idenity issues, showed her culture and long story short,helped contribute to her upbringing.
I have a hard time believing the only thing she is good for is cooking and fucking her boyfriend/husband just because she is a female.
I am not one to convince anyone of my point of view. I understand your opinions come from your experiences in life and that has formed your paradigm on how you navigate the world. Feel free to dismiss whatever I write but I would like an explanation as to why female subjugation is necessary for the progress of humanity. That statement you made in the post almost made me spit out my coffee.
Ish
Maybe you shouldn't take everything you read so personally, especially with taking it to the extreme of applying to your own family.
If you are sensitive to my writing then I question why you read my blog or even the forum. Are you holding out for the "American Girls Are Wonderful Snowflakes" posts? There are many other sites that put pussy on the pedestal.
If you are sensitive to my writing then I question why you read my blog or even the forum. Are you holding out for the "American Girls Are Wonderful Snowflakes" posts? There are many other sites that put pussy on the pedestal.
IshGibbor said:
It's not. It is the opposite.
While, I don't like the "stereotypical" American woman mainly because of their fractured mindset... their mental discontinuity of being part puritan, part slut, and on average chubby which leads to some crazy reasoning and behavior. I'd say, just ignore the haters of smart girls and women who have their own lives.
In fact, I'd even say that I hope to see the day when they become truly "liberated", and we will liberally enjoy sex with less restrictions and hangups (ie. female lotharios - our true complement).
I have some thoughts on this matter.
Roosh's posts on American women are some of his best. I group them up there with some of his stuff on the corporate grind and general life-philosophy stuff as some of his more astute, well-written shit. At the risk of sounding like I'm licking the dude's balls, some of those have influenced me as a player and as a person. Even though I still enjoy the other posts, I don't really need to know how correct my bad breath.
Having said that, my sense is that Roosh's perspective on American women is heavily skewed by having lived in an especially miserable, women-arrid, shit-hole-of-a-place that is the Greater DC area. I don't think he, or any of those DC blogger guys, would disagree with this. While his general observation are true for most of the country (particularly in the urban centers), those trends are more pronounced (or at least less diluted) in shitty places.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not defending American women. In fact, add me to the list of regular, vehement detractors. But, as a guy that enjoys traveling, but doesn't intend to relocate (except maybe to Canada) in the near future, I've become reasonably adept at domestic cherry picking.
And, having gotten pretty good at finding the remaining girl-oases left in the US, let me tell you one thing: none of them are anywhere near DC.
Roosh's posts on American women are some of his best. I group them up there with some of his stuff on the corporate grind and general life-philosophy stuff as some of his more astute, well-written shit. At the risk of sounding like I'm licking the dude's balls, some of those have influenced me as a player and as a person. Even though I still enjoy the other posts, I don't really need to know how correct my bad breath.
Having said that, my sense is that Roosh's perspective on American women is heavily skewed by having lived in an especially miserable, women-arrid, shit-hole-of-a-place that is the Greater DC area. I don't think he, or any of those DC blogger guys, would disagree with this. While his general observation are true for most of the country (particularly in the urban centers), those trends are more pronounced (or at least less diluted) in shitty places.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not defending American women. In fact, add me to the list of regular, vehement detractors. But, as a guy that enjoys traveling, but doesn't intend to relocate (except maybe to Canada) in the near future, I've become reasonably adept at domestic cherry picking.
And, having gotten pretty good at finding the remaining girl-oases left in the US, let me tell you one thing: none of them are anywhere near DC.
Roosh said:
IshGibbor said:
Hey, the way tech, synthetic biology, and automation are progressing, I predict in 25 years, you can have an idealized simulacra female who will satisfy just the needs to you want.
http://www.realdoll.com/
And, if you pay a little extra, you can even get an interface to dial in just right amount of unpredictability to keep it fresh. :wink:
Just watch out for "Mixx : hacker version" out to add to his list of conquests if you want exclusivity, though... cause he's got the girl code cracked and that probably won't change. :smile:
Also "taking care of the house" covers a lot of ground. In older times that meant agriculture and trades like sewing and such that weren't trivial skills to master. The modern woman has lost even rudimentary ability to take care of herself.
Today if you ask a woman what her accomplishments are it will be getting a promotion at her office job, sending 5,000 text messages a month, and walking a marathon. I swear I get more interested in a girl when I see her home is spotless (from cleaning) or she can cook a decent meal. Why would a girl playing kickball interest me?
Today if you ask a woman what her accomplishments are it will be getting a promotion at her office job, sending 5,000 text messages a month, and walking a marathon. I swear I get more interested in a girl when I see her home is spotless (from cleaning) or she can cook a decent meal. Why would a girl playing kickball interest me?
DanDeLaCruz
Sparrow
Guys, it all comes down to environmental factors that are out of your control. Anything that is external to you (male-female ratios) is out of your control, and the truth is, when it comes to dating environments, and the male-famale dynamic, your working with a handicap in most places in the USA. The aspect of game and personal developement is all great and it does help, but it's only 50% of the equation, and in some cases, I would argue a lot less. The other part of the equation involves the dating environment locally, and big macro factors, that inevitabily trickle down into micro factors.
I'll just name a few factors that influence most dating environments in the USA and that are far different in other places. Keep in mind there are many factors, and most of them are not in your favor in the USA:
1. Feminism - Feminism was born in the USA and it's far overshot it's original intension of giving females equal rights. You all know the deal here, I don't have to go any further into this one.
2. Obesity - The USA is the fatest country in the world per capita. And the problem is that many of those places like Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Those small town places have the highest obesity rates. I'm sure you'll be able to find some sweat girls like Mixx says, but there is no comparison to small towns, or big cities in other places like Eastern Europe and Latin America.
3. Ratios - I've never heard anyone talk about this except me, but the main reason the ratios are so off in countries like the USA is because of the economy. Do you guys know how many millions and millions of men have immigrated to the USA over the past 30 - 50 years. The ratio of male to female migration is insane. Truth is that when it comes to migration the first ones to take the plunge are the men, the women stay home to take care of the families, which is why if you step into any immigrant community in the USA, italian, irish (ever watched gangs of new york?), polish, latin american, jamaican, etc the ratios are horrible. It's even worse if you live in highly industrialized ares where there is a bigger demand for male labor, like places with a lot of factories, big ports, construction, etc. Did you guys see pictures of those immigrants that got killed in mexico while they were trying to cross the boarder? The ratio was like 30 guys and a couple of women, that's just how it is and has been in the USA for decades. It's just a fact of life, the bees go where the honey is, and that's the same reason countries like Germany and England, and even Spain have ratio problems (maybe not as much as the USA) it's because their men don't leave because of the good economy and more men come because of the good economy. BTW most of the men who immigrate are young single guys, and even if they aren't single, you think they don't want to chase pussy while they're here?
I'll just throw in an extra environmental factor for you and this one applies to Latin America.
4. Height - I'll use Roosh as an example. I'm not sure how tall Roosh is, but he's probably 6' tall. Well while traveling through europe, especially in those northern european countries Roosh won't have a height advantage, in fact he might feel a bit short compared to what he feels in the USA because the average height in these countries is very high. But in Latin America the average height is a lot less. In some countries like ecuador, if you're 6' tall, your like a giant. We all know that height is a BIG BIG factor in your attraction to women. So this is just another environmental factor.
All these things and many many more that I haven't mentioned for the sake of not writing a book on this thread, are out of your control, but what you can control is which environment you place yourself in. You can learn all the game you want, you're not going to get laid the way you'd like at west point or an engrineering school, on USA naval ship, or in prision. These are exagerated examples but you get my point: environment matters.
So let me finish off with this thought. Put yourself if the sweat pants and flip flops of an attractive American girl in any big city USA. First off, a lot of the other women are fat, so they can't compete with you, second the ratio of men to women is already off so another factor in your favor, but factor in that as a woman you'll be able to select from a large variety of gene pools without having to step one foot outside of your city let alone the country. Also since the supply of attractive women is so low and the demand so high, the men will have to overcompensate which means they'll work harder to stand out by either hitting the gym more, trying to earn more money, or learning game, this means the women will have an even better pool of men to pick from, and obviously this means that attractive women will also become jaded, conceited, picky, cheating, bitches, etc...
Many other women will gain weight and let themselves go, with no shortage of men to date. If there is no punishment for being obese, why would they care? It's a lot easier to just let yourself go and get fat than to have to diet and hit the gym. Back to the attractive girl, any man she dates will have to stand out of the pack by either being really rich, really good looking, have game, or have a good enough combination of these factors in order to beat out the rest of the guys competing for her attention. Pick a number and get on that line boy! make sure you jugle those things really good, and doo that little dance for her, maybe she'll pick you.
I'd rather be in a place where it's not such an uphill battle, where I'm in demand and in short supply, not the other way around.
Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.
I'll just name a few factors that influence most dating environments in the USA and that are far different in other places. Keep in mind there are many factors, and most of them are not in your favor in the USA:
1. Feminism - Feminism was born in the USA and it's far overshot it's original intension of giving females equal rights. You all know the deal here, I don't have to go any further into this one.
2. Obesity - The USA is the fatest country in the world per capita. And the problem is that many of those places like Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Those small town places have the highest obesity rates. I'm sure you'll be able to find some sweat girls like Mixx says, but there is no comparison to small towns, or big cities in other places like Eastern Europe and Latin America.
3. Ratios - I've never heard anyone talk about this except me, but the main reason the ratios are so off in countries like the USA is because of the economy. Do you guys know how many millions and millions of men have immigrated to the USA over the past 30 - 50 years. The ratio of male to female migration is insane. Truth is that when it comes to migration the first ones to take the plunge are the men, the women stay home to take care of the families, which is why if you step into any immigrant community in the USA, italian, irish (ever watched gangs of new york?), polish, latin american, jamaican, etc the ratios are horrible. It's even worse if you live in highly industrialized ares where there is a bigger demand for male labor, like places with a lot of factories, big ports, construction, etc. Did you guys see pictures of those immigrants that got killed in mexico while they were trying to cross the boarder? The ratio was like 30 guys and a couple of women, that's just how it is and has been in the USA for decades. It's just a fact of life, the bees go where the honey is, and that's the same reason countries like Germany and England, and even Spain have ratio problems (maybe not as much as the USA) it's because their men don't leave because of the good economy and more men come because of the good economy. BTW most of the men who immigrate are young single guys, and even if they aren't single, you think they don't want to chase pussy while they're here?
I'll just throw in an extra environmental factor for you and this one applies to Latin America.
4. Height - I'll use Roosh as an example. I'm not sure how tall Roosh is, but he's probably 6' tall. Well while traveling through europe, especially in those northern european countries Roosh won't have a height advantage, in fact he might feel a bit short compared to what he feels in the USA because the average height in these countries is very high. But in Latin America the average height is a lot less. In some countries like ecuador, if you're 6' tall, your like a giant. We all know that height is a BIG BIG factor in your attraction to women. So this is just another environmental factor.
All these things and many many more that I haven't mentioned for the sake of not writing a book on this thread, are out of your control, but what you can control is which environment you place yourself in. You can learn all the game you want, you're not going to get laid the way you'd like at west point or an engrineering school, on USA naval ship, or in prision. These are exagerated examples but you get my point: environment matters.
So let me finish off with this thought. Put yourself if the sweat pants and flip flops of an attractive American girl in any big city USA. First off, a lot of the other women are fat, so they can't compete with you, second the ratio of men to women is already off so another factor in your favor, but factor in that as a woman you'll be able to select from a large variety of gene pools without having to step one foot outside of your city let alone the country. Also since the supply of attractive women is so low and the demand so high, the men will have to overcompensate which means they'll work harder to stand out by either hitting the gym more, trying to earn more money, or learning game, this means the women will have an even better pool of men to pick from, and obviously this means that attractive women will also become jaded, conceited, picky, cheating, bitches, etc...
Many other women will gain weight and let themselves go, with no shortage of men to date. If there is no punishment for being obese, why would they care? It's a lot easier to just let yourself go and get fat than to have to diet and hit the gym. Back to the attractive girl, any man she dates will have to stand out of the pack by either being really rich, really good looking, have game, or have a good enough combination of these factors in order to beat out the rest of the guys competing for her attention. Pick a number and get on that line boy! make sure you jugle those things really good, and doo that little dance for her, maybe she'll pick you.
I'd rather be in a place where it's not such an uphill battle, where I'm in demand and in short supply, not the other way around.
Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.
DanDeLaCruz said:
Dude you just wrote the best post ever on this forum. I do not know whether to stand and applaud or cry over the shocking truth.
Fat girls get love in North America and decent looking girls are getting harder to date.
Gym culture is big in North America, sadly though my gym is always filled with men and nearly not enough women. Some countries in Europe it is hard to even find a gym (Paris, Milan come to mind).
We are so programmed in these countries to think that there is an abundance of women, I have even had arguments with other people who talk crap about the 7 to 1 ratio of women-men. lol
DanDeLaCruz said:
Very solid take and I agree with you.
I think the only guys who WILL NOT agree with you are the ones who have to live where they live due to job, family, etc (usually job) and thus, self-justify why "it's not that bad."
Sure, even the Count of Monte Cristo made the best of a situation by eating cockroaches and doing push-ups in his prison cell, but let's get real.
Why did Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Ebay, and Youtube all start or base themselves in Silicon Valley? The environment was conducive to high-tech entrepreneurial growth.
All I'm saying is that there are other environments highly conducive to fucking hotties with minimal effort required, repeatedly, for as long as you body can maintain an erection.
That's all.
I had the impression that American women are sluttier compared to those outside America. So even guys with minimum game find it easier to get laid here. The tighter their game, the hotter the american woman they get. Being a sexually liberated culture makes America conducive for pussy but being a culture catered towards women's fantasies, lowers the quality of that pussy. So I guess, Quantity over Quality? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Are there places which have America beat on both Quality and Quantity. Mixx's rampages through the lush jungles of Colombia come to mind. Any others?
Are there places which have America beat on both Quality and Quantity. Mixx's rampages through the lush jungles of Colombia come to mind. Any others?
MiXX
Crow
DanDeLaCruz said:
You whole post is spot on, I nominate it the post of the day. However, what you wrote above is what I feel is most important.
I would love to live outside US in Estonia, Sweden and Baltics full time, but sadly, I make 75% of my money in America, and so, I must game in America 6 months of the year. You can never compare a small town in Latin America or EE as you said, but, It is what is. The game must be played at all costs, obstacles and foes that you face.
When I leave America, I actually have to tone down my game by 70% because it becomes too much for women.
Mixx
Yes, sadly some of us can't leave due to nature of job and other obligations. I wonder what it would be like to live in Singapore, for example. Anyone been there? I knew one dude who worked at a company I used to work for who was based there and he said it was amazing with respect to women.
rudebwoy said:
Total real talk. The game in North America seems a bit different. Fat chix putting up attitude etc etc.
The knowledge of health culture in U.K was laughable yet I hardly saw a chick that was close to 240 pounds. Here in North America, I see nothing but female buses every day.
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