Roosh Hour #58 – New Year’s Eve With Dr. E Michael Jones

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I interview Dr. E Michael Jones about the events of 2020. We talk about the coronavirus agenda, Black Lives Matter, the Great Reset, the Presidential election, maintaining Christian faith in times of hardship, the Logos of history, and a lot more. Visit Dr. Jones’ web site.


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Excellent topics, all relevant to our lives and the concerns we have. I really enjoyed listening to Dr Eugene - a breath of fresh air and wisdom in a poisonous world. Thanks for setting this up for us Roosh.
 

Constance

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I really don't understand why people like Dr Jones pretend that Communism collapsed? It has not but has just changed its form using different tactics. Search "Perestroika deception". And why is this modern day Rasputin so called philosopher, Alexandr Dugin being promoted on the alt right (including Jay Dyer)? - he is pro Israel and promotes "National Bolshevism"/Eurasianism. Sounds like Zionism. He is a Satanist and has admitted he wants the Catholic Church destroyed. Even EMJ knows him and calls him a philosopher! What is going with Jones? Dugin blames the West particularly America for all the problems of the world and want it destroyed (and never blames J$ws).
 

Eremias 21

Chicken
I have to disagree about Christians not taking part in insurrection. 1 and 2 Maccabees are devoted to the subject, as well as the book of Judges. If Dr. Jones idea was correct then any motorcycle gang that rolls into town, claims authority and allows you to vote between different gang members is legitimate, and Jesus is smiling on your obedience to those scoundrels. Christian history is full of rebellions and insurrections. Sometimes we have to go the way of the prophets and sometimes the way of physical fighting. Corneliu Codreanu wrestled with the question of when he should do one or the other. It can be a tough choice but it doesn't mean we are duty bound to submit to being gang raped by Bill Gates and Tony Fauci.
 
I have to disagree about Christians not taking part in insurrection. 1 and 2 Maccabees are devoted to the subject, as well as the book of Judges. If Dr. Jones idea was correct then any motorcycle gang that rolls into town, claims authority and allows you to vote between different gang members is legitimate, and Jesus is smiling on your obedience to those scoundrels. Christian history is full of rebellions and insurrections. Sometimes we have to go the way of the prophets and sometimes the way of physical fighting. Corneliu Codreanu wrestled with the question of when he should do one or the other. It can be a tough choice but it doesn't mean we are duty bound to submit to being gang raped by Bill Gates and Tony Fauci.
Very good new years eve stream, Roosh, it's always a pleasure listening to Dr. Jones. @Eremias 21 I would agree that there is a place for Christian insurrection, I think however the rules of engagement would be more defensive unless recapturing something or someone. That being said I think a good thread idea would be one discussing Christian rules of engagement for the future. I can think of several books which could give us guidance on the subject such as On Resistance to Evil By Force by Ivan Alexandrovich Ilyin. Like I said I think we can all agree on the greenlight for defensive operations but the question of offensive operations definitely needs some discussion and clarification before we are put in the position of needing to act on it.
 

Eremias 21

Chicken
Very good new years eve stream, Roosh, it's always a pleasure listening to Dr. Jones. @Eremias 21 I would agree that there is a place for Christian insurrection, I think however the rules of engagement would be more defensive unless recapturing something or someone. That being said I think a good thread idea would be one discussing Christian rules of engagement for the future. I can think of several books which could give us guidance on the subject such as On Resistance to Evil By Force by Ivan Alexandrovich Ilyin. Like I said I think we can all agree on the greenlight for defensive operations but the question of offensive operations definitely needs some discussion and clarification before we are put in the position of needing to act on it.
The opening chapters of 1 and 2 Maccabees describe what led to Mattathias launching the rebellion. What we are facing is almost exactly analogous except much worse I would say.
It is always difficult to determine who us on the defense and who is on offense. When we have sodomy enshrined into law, abortion, a society that is tailor made to destroy our children's souls, and that wants us masked and vaxxed up (and a million other things besides these but I will spare you the litany) I would say we have the moral high ground.
Besides this is the fact that revolutions can be done through civil disobedience. There is no reason in thee world we cannot clog up the works by literally occupying physical spaces like our Capitol or entry and exit points into cities, and bringing about non-consensual regime change while not directly attacking anyone.
Well, I don't know how we should do all this. But I do know that monks in the 4th century would tear abortion clinics apart with their bare hands if that's what it took, and their people would be right there with them. They did it many many times, breaking the law, to tear apart temples. Anyway, God bless. I hope we can figure a way out of this mess. But this is the reign of Antichrist, for now we have to endure patiently, going the way of the prophets as God gives us strength to endure. Thank God for Roosh and so many other good people who have come out of the woodwork during these dark days.
 

Eremias 21

Chicken

I really don't understand why people like Dr Jones pretend that Communism collapsed? It has not but has just changed its form using different tactics. Search "Perestroika deception". And why is this modern day Rasputin so called philosopher, Alexandr Dugin being promoted on the alt right (including Jay Dyer)? - he is pro Israel and promotes "National Bolshevism"/Eurasianism. Sounds like Zionism. He is a Satanist and has admitted he wants the Catholic Church destroyed. Even EMJ knows him and calls him a philosopher! What is going with Jones? Dugin blames the West particularly America for all the problems of the world and want it destroyed (and never blames J$ws).
I know Matthew Raphael Johnson is a big fan. I am only familiar with him through MRJ. Are you sure you have familiarized yourself with primary sources, instead of what gets filtered through the church's enemies? I cannot imagine MRJ, EMJ, OR Jay Dyer supporting a Satanist.
 

911

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I really don't understand why people like Dr Jones pretend that Communism collapsed? It has not but has just changed its form using different tactics. Search "Perestroika deception". And why is this modern day Rasputin so called philosopher, Alexandr Dugin being promoted on the alt right (including Jay Dyer)? - he is pro Israel and promotes "National Bolshevism"/Eurasianism. Sounds like Zionism. He is a Satanist and has admitted he wants the Catholic Church destroyed. Even EMJ knows him and calls him a philosopher! What is going with Jones? Dugin blames the West particularly America for all the problems of the world and want it destroyed (and never blames J$ws).
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Looks like the ADL is starting to worry about EMJ...
 
Which ones do you believe were legitimate? If I call myself a Christian and decide to start a rebellion, citing only the Old Testament, was it sanctioned by God?
Hi Roosh,

I think there's a huge difference between rebellion against longstanding, Christ-friendly social order vs. throwing off the tyrannical yoke of a foreign enemy, especially one that is Anti-Christ.

In believe the Maccabees fought a just war because they were not only fighting off a foreign occupier, but defending the Sacred Temple. In the traditional (older) Catholic calender, we celebrate the Maccabees as Martyrs for Christ. I've heard that the Orthodox do as well, because it stems from Apostolic Tradition.

In my humble opinion, there are quite a few just rebellions that took place after Christ. For example:
-The heroic struggle of the Christians in the Balkan States, Hungary, and elsewhere against Muslim Ottoman rule. Many of these places had been under Ottoman rule for quite some time.
-The Crusades. Many of the local Christians helped the Crusaders overthrow the Muslim forces.
-The Irish who resisted and finally overthrew the English, who practically enslaved them.

Check out Thomas Aquinas' just war theory: https://aquinasonline.com/just-war/

One of the things the Church teaches is that bloodshed is an absolute last resort, and must be undertaken with seriousness and detachment and not with blood lust.

Will it come to the need to actually physically fight the government here in the USA? I don't think it would help right now, but it might inevitably come to that. For example, if the government starts invading homes to take children away who aren't vaccinated (marked with the beast??), that would be a great reason to band together and physically resist, because it would be an act of duty in defending our loved ones.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
He gets way more hate than me. Just mentioning him on my Twitter stirs them up.

The fact that he just added 600 pages to the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit must stir them up too. I am always amazed at his ability to pull names and historical facts going back to antiquity. I was a little sad to not get a Trivial Pursuit Question where the answer was "Marquis De Sade" recently. I think I should buy that book.

The analogy of the moon with respect to Logos was extremely good. I also enjoyed the beach question, it made me relate to the elites !

Great job with the interview. When it started out with "We were punished for being bad", I knew I was in for it. Eugene was great.
 
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Eremias 21

Chicken
These are interesting issues that would take many books or many many podcasts to cover. I will try to comment on everything while being brief. I'm not a professor, philosopher or priest, just a Joe schmoe, so take my opinions for what they are.
I recommend "Cicero Republic and Christian Arguments for Rebellion Against Tyrants". And "Christian Rebellion Theories" the latter by JM Hastings.
It is difficult to know what rebellions are justified in history in many cases. My knowledge of them is simply too perfunctory for me to say for certain. Even so, it is obvious the Christian people who took part in them thought they were. Was Heraclius justified in 610 AD? The rebellions by Copts against the Muslims that didn't succeed? The American Revolution? The Armenian Sasun Rebellion? The various Cossack uprisings against various powers, including Russia in whose service they later fought willingly?
Scotland's war for independence, Ireland's many uprisings which finally succeeded, Montenegro fights with its warrior bishops, the riots that were sometimes quite violent by Christian agitators who destroyed temples, I would say these were all justified. I recommend the writings of Corneliu Cosreanu whose entire life was one of struggle against the "legitimate" powers who were cooperating in the destruction of Orthodox Romania. He often deals with questions of how to struggle and under what circumstances.
The Old Testament is very much a part of the Bible. It is not a secondary source of literature. Christ is very much the God of the Old Testament. When Ambrose and Augustine were pushing the suppression of paganism, they were looking at the Old Testament's many descriptions of just vs unjust kings and extrapolating what Theodosius or whoever should champion. The New Testament is the record of scattered alienated communities living in a devolving Roman pagan empire. Of course it has little to say about fighting with carnal weapons. Even so, Christians did serve in the Roman military before Constantine and took part in carnal fights. The Old Testament is the story of a people and so it has a lot to say on the subject. We find ourselves now as post Christian peoples somewhere between what 1st century Christians and say Mattathias faced.
By the way it is often difficult to say in hindsight who was rebelling. Was Constantine a rebel? Well, it depended on whose side you were on. The church has always said no, but then again he won and championed our side.
More to the point--how have the jews gotten us to the point where Quaker style pacifism, considered extreme in the 17th century, has now almost become the default of even Orthodox and Catholic Christians? We have somehow become convinced that complete passivity in the face of evil actions against people who can't defend themselves is taking the high road.
I would add that civil disobedience, where it had a chance of success, is always preferable. In the modern west today I would say it has a higher chance of success by far. We don't have to start any violence to make ourselves heard, and bring about non-consensual regime change against the occupiers of our current western governments.
God bless.
 

Eremias 21

Chicken
This is showing up as my comment when I look at it. I tried to like it and it says I'm liking my own comment.
I'm technically challenged so maybe I'm just making a mistake, but this wasn't my comment. I'd love to take credit for it though.
 

Eremias 21

Chicken
Which ones do you believe were legitimate? If I call myself a Christian and decide to start a rebellion, citing only the Old Testament, was it sanctioned by God?
I replied to a reply of this post. I mentioned Montenegro and Scotland but somehow neglected the most obvious of them all. I would say the uprisings and revolutikns against all of the communist eastern bloc countries were all to one extent or another justified, from Russia to Romania, etc. These were all violent to some extent, but mostly acts of civil disobedience. These were successful, modern uprisings often inspired in part by the Christian faith of the people. God bless.
 
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