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[violão]

I see plenty of swollen guys who hit the gym and put up big numbers, but they can't do 5 pushups. They can't do a pullup. They can't do leg lifts. Can't do 10 dips. They cant do a full (hamstrings touch the calves) squat with their heels touching.

Big weights =/= real strength. Don't be that guy. I'm not trying to be a hater, but check yourself. If you can't control your own body weight, why are you putting up 325 lbs?


And Hades, love the avatar. Great fucking character.

 

[mikeymike]

I see plenty of swollen guys who hit the gym and put up big numbers, but they can't do 5 pushups. They can't do a pullup. They can't do leg lifts. Can't do 10 dips. They cant do a full (hamstrings touch the calves) squat with their heels touching.

Big weights =/= real strength. Don't be that guy. I'm not trying to be a hater, but check yourself. If you can't control your own body weight, why are you putting up 325 lbs?


And Hades, love the avatar. Great fucking character.

bullshit, if a guy can throw up big numbers on the rack he can do a push up a pull up and a dip, he may be inflexible, he may not ever be able to bend down and touch his toes but show me a guy who can deadlift 3bills + that cant do 5 push ups, a pull up...everyone loves to take a shot at the swole bros but the ones pushing around serious weight are strong, you can argue that theyre not functional for day to day living or athletic purposes, dont ask them to jog a mile necessarily but they can do bodyweight exercises. Its the posers the ones who flare their lats when they walk and work the show muscles only, dont know what leg days are that are pushing around baby weights for the amount of stuff theyre taking that may not be able to do the bodyweight stuff but if youre talking a serious lifter and gym rat its cake. Dont confuse the 2, just cause the posers grunting twice as loudly as the guy throwing up 4 plates aside doesnt mean hes a lifter lol

 

[Hades]

I see plenty of swollen guys who hit the gym and put up big numbers, but they can't do 5 pushups. They can't do a pullup. They can't do leg lifts. Can't do 10 dips. They cant do a full (hamstrings touch the calves) squat with their heels touching.

Big weights =/= real strength. Don't be that guy. I'm not trying to be a hater, but check yourself. If you can't control your own body weight, why are you putting up 325 lbs?


And Hades, love the avatar. Great fucking character.

bullshit, if a guy can throw up big numbers on the rack he can do a push up a pull up and a dip, he may be inflexible, he may not ever be able to bend down and touch his toes but show me a guy who can deadlift 3bills + that cant do 5 push ups, a pull up...everyone loves to take a shot at the swole bros but the ones pushing around serious weight are strong, you can argue that theyre not functional for day to day living or athletic purposes, dont ask them to jog a mile necessarily but they can do bodyweight exercises. Its the posers the ones who flare their lats when they walk and work the show muscles only, dont know what leg days are that are pushing around baby weights for the amount of stuff theyre taking that may not be able to do the bodyweight stuff but if youre talking a serious lifter and gym rat its cake. Dont confuse the 2, just cause the posers grunting twice as loudly as the guy throwing up 4 plates aside doesnt mean hes a lifter lol

Most of the big dudes that I have seen throwing around many plates on the squatting rack, deadlift, or the bench press have trouble doing a pullup or more than six or seven close-handed pushups. Haven't met one who could do a proper bridge yet either. These are the same guys who have to take several aspirin a day just to function.

 

[reaper23]

I see plenty of swollen guys who hit the gym and put up big numbers, but they can't do 5 pushups. They can't do a pullup. They can't do leg lifts. Can't do 10 dips. They cant do a full (hamstrings touch the calves) squat with their heels touching.

Big weights =/= real strength. Don't be that guy. I'm not trying to be a hater, but check yourself. If you can't control your own body weight, why are you putting up 325 lbs?


And Hades, love the avatar. Great fucking character.

bullshit, if a guy can throw up big numbers on the rack he can do a push up a pull up and a dip, he may be inflexible, he may not ever be able to bend down and touch his toes but show me a guy who can deadlift 3bills + that cant do 5 push ups, a pull up...everyone loves to take a shot at the swole bros but the ones pushing around serious weight are strong, you can argue that theyre not functional for day to day living or athletic purposes, dont ask them to jog a mile necessarily but they can do bodyweight exercises. Its the posers the ones who flare their lats when they walk and work the show muscles only, dont know what leg days are that are pushing around baby weights for the amount of stuff theyre taking that may not be able to do the bodyweight stuff but if youre talking a serious lifter and gym rat its cake. Dont confuse the 2, just cause the posers grunting twice as loudly as the guy throwing up 4 plates aside doesnt mean hes a lifter lol

Most of the big dudes that I have seen throwing around many plates on the squatting rack, deadlift, or the bench press have trouble doing a pullup or more than six or seven close-handed pushups. Haven't met one who could do a proper bridge yet either. These are the same guys who have to take several aspirin a day just to function.

really? at 6'4 260 or so with the numbers i posted I can 25 chest to floor push ups. the pull ups are a little harder given the weight but with a little kip I can do several. I can do about 3 dead hang pull ups per set.

if you just squat and dead, though, your upper body will be left out.

bench also wont help much on pull ups.

that is why you gotta do cleans too.

and, duh, work on pull ups and push ups

 

[velkrum]

fuck me, velkrum, you're a beast. Pics!

I'll post pics but I'm having trouble with the attachments. Here's an old vid of me

 

[WesternCancer]

6'1
220lb

1RM
Squat: 282
Deadlift: 320
Bench Press: 164

Total = 766

 

[Estetica]

You should be deadlifting more than you squat (generally speaking), I hope you guys are going ATG when giving these numbers.

 

[violão]

Most of the big dudes that I have seen throwing around many plates on the squatting rack, deadlift, or the bench press have trouble doing a pullup or more than six or seven close-handed pushups. Haven't met one who could do a proper bridge yet either. These are the same guys who have to take several aspirin a day just to function.

Yup. Guys who lift barbells seem to live in a fantasy world where they think they aren't doing isolation exercises. Bullshit, you're doing a slightly better version of Cybex machines. There's very little balance or true strength involved in bench pressing, deadlifting, etc. You're working a couple muscles and destroying your joints and ligaments to get "swole". Check your vanity and work on true strength.

In closing, I don't give a fuck if you bench 800 lbs, or squat 1000.
THIS DUDE IS INFINITELY STRONGER THAN YOU.

THIS DUDE IS INFINITELY STRONGER THAN YOU.

...except, he won't need a walker to move his abused joints and ligaments when he's 60.

 

[MikeCF]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

 

[Estetica]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

It was only a matter of time

 

[dk902]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

Mike, Functional Strength Troll has been around since the dawn of time.

He just hasn't been able to manifest himself in the Roosh V forum until now.

His natural habitat is the Swiss and Bosu Ball area with a staple diet of Kettlebells and Crossfit.

 

[MikeCF]

I see plenty of swollen guys who hit the gym and put up big numbers, but they can't do 5 pushups. They can't do a pullup. They can't do leg lifts. Can't do 10 dips. They cant do a full (hamstrings touch the calves) squat with their heels touching.

Big weights =/= real strength. Don't be that guy. I'm not trying to be a hater, but check yourself. If you can't control your own body weight, why are you putting up 325 lbs?

It's always little guys who troll about functional strength.

If you're a guy who looks good and is getting noticed, you really don't hate on other guys with different goals.

Bodybuilders and powerlifters joke towards each other with "you have a gut," and "nice beach muscle" lines.

But it's all good natured.

But show me a "ripped" 150 pound man, and I'll show you a bucket of hate.

 

[Hades]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

I don't hash on the guys using deadlifts, squats, and bench press all that much. I know plenty of people who are strong as bears who do little more than these.

I think that progressive calisthenics is overall better than using steel since you can get very strong over a period of years (with no gym) while more easily avoiding injury.

It's more than feasible that someone could use nothing but progressive calisthenics, get to very advanced levels (two working sets: one-armed pushups, one-legged squats, one-armed handstand pushups, one armed pullups, etc), and compete well against dedicated powerlifters after a week or two of dicking around with a barbell.

Sidenote: Kettlebells are fun as hell.

 

[dk902]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

I don't hash on the guys using deadlifts, squats, and bench press all that much. I know plenty of people who are strong as bears who do little more than these.

I think that progressive calisthenics is overall better than using steel since you can get very strong over a period of years (with no gym) while more easily avoiding injury.

It's more than feasible that someone could use nothing but progressive calisthenics, get to very advanced levels (two working sets: one-armed pushups, one-legged squats, one-armed handstand pushups, one armed pullups, etc), and compete well against dedicated powerlifters after a week or two of dicking around with a barbell.

Sidenote: Kettlebells are fun as hell.

I'm sorry dude but how could someone who only does calisthenics compete with a powerlifter? There is no competition.

I don't know why people do the whole weights vs calisthenics/bodyweight argument.They compliment each other.

If we're talking about building a lean, muscular physique that women love, then there is no substitute to lifting heavy weights, that's undisputed.

Just because you lift weights doesn't mean you necessarily get injured. Sure you get scrapes and stuff which will occur as part and parcel of the iron game, that's just how it is.

However if you learn proper form and technique there's no reason why you have to be busted up and slip your disc from deadlifting.

progressive calisthenics

In my opinion that is a contradictive term. Because bodyweight is not progressive, it remains constant (or should) therefore you reach a level that you cannot overcome without weights. I'm not sure what bodyweight exercises could make someone be able to deadlift 500lb.

It's like the game vs lifestyle stuff on here.

I do pushups in between all my worksets of deadlifts, squats etc and they're good for overall shoulder health. But I wouldn't think of building a huge set of traps or arms to show off with just my bodyweight.

 

[Hades]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

I don't hash on the guys using deadlifts, squats, and bench press all that much. I know plenty of people who are strong as bears who do little more than these.

I think that progressive calisthenics is overall better than using steel since you can get very strong over a period of years (with no gym) while more easily avoiding injury.

It's more than feasible that someone could use nothing but progressive calisthenics, get to very advanced levels (two working sets: one-armed pushups, one-legged squats, one-armed handstand pushups, one armed pullups, etc), and compete well against dedicated powerlifters after a week or two of dicking around with a barbell.

Sidenote: Kettlebells are fun as hell.

I'm sorry dude but how could someone who only does calisthenics compete with a powerlifter? There is no competition.

I don't know why people do the whole weights vs calisthenics/bodyweight argument.They compliment each other.

If we're talking about building a lean, muscular physique that women love, then there is no substitute to lifting heavy weights, that's undisputed.

Just because you lift weights doesn't mean you necessarily get injured. Sure you get scrapes and stuff which will occur as part and parcel of the iron game, that's just how it is.

However if you learn proper form and technique there's no reason why you have to be busted up and slip your disc from deadlifting.

progressive calisthenics

In my opinion that is a contradictive term. Because bodyweight is not progressive, it remains constant (or should) therefore you reach a level that you cannot overcome without weights. I'm not sure what bodyweight exercises could make someone be able to deadlift 500lb.

It's like the game vs lifestyle stuff on here.

I do pushups in between all my worksets of deadlifts, squats etc and they're good for overall shoulder health. But I wouldn't think of building a huge set of traps or arms to show off with just my bodyweight.

Sure someone who does calisthenics can compete with a powerlifter. Think about it. If you can do a one-armed handstand pushup, that's pressing your entire body weight over your head with one arm. I could eventually be able to shoulder press something like 400 pounds.

If you can do many one-legged squats, like one set of 25, according to the calculator you should be able to two-legged (deep) squat your bodyweight at least one set of 25, for a final one-rep max calculation of (using a 215 pound bodyweight) roughly 600 pounds.

here's the calculator
http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/orm.htm

Check out Paul Wade's "Convict Conditioning" if you're interested. He placed third in a 1987 California powerlifting competition and did not train with weights.
The idea of progressive calisthenics is that you start with something basic, like knee pushups, and you work until you meet a progression standard (two working sets), with the end goal being an elite level, like one-armed pushups. Your bodyweight doesn't change, but the exercise does.

I do basic bodyweight stuff (close pushups, back bridges, close squats etc), and I can deadlift 315 no problem.

 

[Roosh]

Once I did 26 pullups in a row. Took me a while of training to get there.

/e-brag

 

[WesternCancer]

@violão can you prove with statistics or studies that gymnasts have less lifetime injuries than powerlifters?

a quick google search shows a multitude of nagging problems and diseases associated with gymasts such as wrist problems, hip flexor problems, knee problems. etc.

the same quick search done on powerlifters brings up this article which links to legitimate articles stating weight lifters have one of the lowest injury rates of all sports http://www.livestrong.com/article/419939-is-long-term-heavy-weightlifting-dangerous/

 

[Basil Ransom]

I think that progressive calisthenics is overall better than using steel since you can get very strong over a period of years (with no gym) while more easily avoiding injury.

It's more than feasible that someone could use nothing but progressive calisthenics, get to very advanced levels (two working sets: one-armed pushups, one-legged squats, one-armed handstand pushups, one armed pullups, etc), and compete well against dedicated powerlifters after a week or two of dicking around with a barbell.

Do you have any evidence for either of these claims?

I believe Mark Rippetoe had a page in his book outlining how barbell training has a lower injury rate than any major sport. Gymnastics? Good one.

There's no way you could simulate a heavy squat with bodyweight exercises. At most, with a one legged squat, you're squatting some fraction of your bodyweight on one leg. How does that compare in any way to a 2x or 3x BW squat? A heavy powerlifter couldn't suddenly rip 20 pullups out without training for it usually. What does either of these situations prove about anything?

Here are my numbers:

BMI: 25.7

highest completed 5RM - estimated 1RM (5RM*1.15)

Press - 135 - 155
Bench - 205 - 235
Squat - 240 - 275
Deadlift - 315 - 360
Weighted Dip - 1.33*BW (i.e. 0.33 extra)

Big 3 Total: 870 (estimated not actual though)

I've been increasing steadily on the weeks that I eat enough.

And honestly, I'm not in it for my health. I'm in it to feel good, look good and fuck well.

How important have you guys found squatting to your overall muscular development?

 

[Only One Man]

Most of the big dudes that I have seen throwing around many plates on the squatting rack, deadlift, or the bench press have trouble doing a pullup or more than six or seven close-handed pushups. Haven't met one who could do a proper bridge yet either. These are the same guys who have to take several aspirin a day just to function.

Yup. Guys who lift barbells seem to live in a fantasy world where they think they aren't doing isolation exercises. Bullshit, you're doing a slightly better version of Cybex machines. There's very little balance or true strength involved in bench pressing, deadlifting, etc. You're working a couple muscles and destroying your joints and ligaments to get "swole". Check your vanity and work on true strength.

In closing, I don't give a fuck if you bench 800 lbs, or squat 1000.
THIS DUDE IS INFINITELY STRONGER THAN YOU.

THIS DUDE IS INFINITELY STRONGER THAN YOU.

...except, he won't need a walker to move his abused joints and ligaments when he's 60.

And these dudes are infinitely stronger than those dudes.

 

[Hades]

I think that progressive calisthenics is overall better than using steel since you can get very strong over a period of years (with no gym) while more easily avoiding injury.

It's more than feasible that someone could use nothing but progressive calisthenics, get to very advanced levels (two working sets: one-armed pushups, one-legged squats, one-armed handstand pushups, one armed pullups, etc), and compete well against dedicated powerlifters after a week or two of dicking around with a barbell.

Do you have any evidence for either of these claims?

I believe Mark Rippetoe had a page in his book outlining how barbell training has a lower injury rate than any major sport. Gymnastics? Good one.

There's no way you could simulate a heavy squat with bodyweight exercises. At most, with a one legged squat, you're squatting some fraction of your bodyweight on one leg. How does that compare in any way to a 2x or 3x BW squat? A heavy powerlifter couldn't suddenly rip 20 pullups out without training for it usually. What does either of these situations prove about anything?

Here are my numbers:

BMI: 25.7

highest completed 5RM - estimated 1RM (5RM*1.15)

Press - 135 - 155
Bench - 205 - 235
Squat - 240 - 275
Deadlift - 315 - 360
Weighted Dip - 1.33*BW (i.e. 0.33 extra)

Big 3 Total: 870 (estimated not actual though)

I've been increasing steadily on the weeks that I eat enough.

And honestly, I'm not in it for my health. I'm in it to feel good, look good and fuck well.

How important have you guys found squatting to your overall muscular development?

Progressive calisthenics avoid injuries to delicate tissues like rotor cuffs and ACLs by gradually building them up. Holding a barbell forces the elbows to go out at odd angles that leave the shoulder vulnerable to injury, which does not occur during any calisthenic workout. A side effect of p.c. is active stretching, where muscles and ligaments are stretched under tension. This does not happen during typical strength training.

Ask anybody who's been lifting weights for years, and they'll bitch continuously about aches and pains. Back pain, leg pain, shoulder pain; I even heard there was one enterprising powerlifter who snapped both wrists while trying to deadlift without safety equipment. Their guts explode the second they take off the belt. The problem is that their wrists, hands, core, joints, and general ligaments are too weak. There's no point to being strong if the peripherals can't work in conjunction or you're in pain because of strength training.

I'm sure Mark Rippetoe has done his research, and I won't bother contesting it. Progressive calisthenics is not a sport anyway.

As for squatting, it's very important for general muscular development. My most dramatic strength increases were done through the squat.
I'm not sure how you personally go about squatting. Do you stop when your knee is at a right angle?

If that's the case, then a standard one-legged pistol squat (where your ass touches your calf) is definitely comparable. I can now squat ~1/3 more than my bodyweight when I stop at (or slightly below) a right angle, because I've built up considerable strength using deep pistol squats. You're at such a mechanical disadvantage when you go that low (and that slowly) that strength is inevitable. Try doing one.

Sure, you'll never get to the same level as a squatter who can do three times their bodyweight, but that's when you have the option of incorporating a kettlebell or weighted vest.

As I said in the other post, the author of "Convict Conditioning" placed third in a California institutional powerlifting competition and did no training with weights.