Roosh LIFTING TOTALS

[reaper23]

i do normal powerlifting and can vouch for single legged pistols. i just did 7 sets of 5 on each leg and i'm sore like it was my first time ever lifting and i lift on the regular for years

i dont use any "equipment" when powerlifting. no belt, no wraps, no knee wraps, no nothing beyond lifting shoes and chalk. and even deadlift barefoot. when you start slow and build up, the ligaments tendons and bone density increase along with your muscle strength.

holding a barbell does not force your elbow out and bad angles. holding a barbell incorrectly certainly will though.

BW exercises are useful and should be used in conjunction with power lifts, olympic lifts, running, and other things for a balanced workout over time. to say one is solely the answer for everything is wrong

 

[mikeymike]

Oh boy.

New category of trolls.

The Functional Strength Troll.

These guys will show up and explain why doing 25 push-ups is superior to deadlifting 1,000 pounds.

lmao, the more I read this section the more I realize trying to help with health and fitness on here is pointless...lifting is evil, every noob is a gear expert, and the only reason people are overweight is carbs. Its all so simple. Jumping jacks, deli meat only and jacking tren alone and all your health problems be solved lol

 

[the_conductor]

No, they are not trolls. For those of you who think those who train exclusively calisthenics are pussies/ can never reach the strength of a power lifter, check out this T-nation interview with Chris Sommers, coach for the USA Junior National Gymnastics Team.

T-Nation: That's impressive. I've heard stories that these athletes can lift a surprising amount of weight in the deadlift and other lifts, even though they never train these lifts. Is that true? And if it is, how's that possible?

Sommer: Gymnastics training does indeed build incredible strength. For example, I was not a particularly strong gymnast, yet I was able to do a double bodyweight deadlift and weighted chins with almost 50% extra bodyweight on my very first weight training attempts.

One of my student’s, JJ Gregory, far exceeded my own modest accomplishments. On his first day of high school weight lifting, JJ pulled a nearly triple bodyweight deadlift with 400 pounds at a bodyweight of 135 and about 5’3" in height. On another day, he also did an easy weighted chin with 75 pounds, and certainly looked as though he could've done quite a bit more. We’ll never know for sure because the cheap belt I was using at the time snapped.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...ing_performance_interviews/all_muscle_no_iron

In my opinion that is a contradictive term. Because bodyweight is not progressive, it remains constant (or should) therefore you reach a level that you cannot overcome without weights.

Yes, your bodyweight is constant, but you increase the difficulty and muscle building potential of the exercises through leverage.

A case in point would be a cross pull (basically a straight arm pull-up where the arms pull out to the sides) compared to a regular pull-up. The bodyweight is the same in both cases; however, the cross pull is several orders of magnitude harder than the pull-up, resulting in significantly higher strength and muscle gains.

Read the article.

 

[Aliblahba]

BW exercises are useful and should be used in conjunction with power lifts, olympic lifts, running, and other things for a balanced workout over time. to say one is solely the answer for everything is wrong

I agree with this. In the last 6 months I've bounced between crossfit, free weights, HIIT w/ jump rope, 25lb kettle bell, 14lb medicine ball, constantly walking with heavy boots, and rebuilding heavily armored 30 ton vehicles. This clusterfuck of a workout program has given me better gains than sticking solely to 1 program. My muscles aren't confused, they are totally bewildered.

 

[mikeymike]

I dont think anybody said that bodyweight execises in themselves were useless, incorporating variety into your routine is a great thing its the bodyweight troll that has to come in and say every big guy ive seen throwing around 4 plates aside cant even do this and that...its nonsense...many ways to skin a cat here folks, I like the variety to keep myself functional. If I just lifted heavy my mobility suffered and first and foremost Im an athlete but for some the goal is size, the aesthetic, the thrill of lifting massive poundage, you can be pro bodyweight exercises without tearing down the other. As MikeCF pointed out earlier, you never hear the big boys at the gym ripping on the crossfit guys for being smaller than them they dont care, do your thing but you will hear the smaller guys rip on the big boys saying they cant do this and that, its all juice blah blah blah its hate, do your thing and shut up

 

[reaper23]

personally i do crossfit with a heavy focus on power / oly lifting.

out of five work outs each week 4 will be a power or oly lift with one being a metcon. and on those four power/oly days, after the man lift of the day we will likely do some conditioning exercise.

in the warm ups we do a variety of BW exercises as well as yoga moves and lots of stretches.

after all that we'll wrap up with max pull ups or dips or something like that.

then i train muay thai.

you gotta change it up, just doing one thing will make you just good at that.


i'm going to read that article on bw stuff though, i am curious to see how they build strength that represents cleans and other big hip movements.

 

[ElJefe]

How important have you guys found squatting to your overall muscular development?

Critical.

I've read several places that training quadriceps releases more testosterone, and that should boost your overall performance. If I consistently do my leg routine, overall hypertrophy is more efficient (in my case).

Hypertrophy is the most amazing feeling I know.

After blowing my load inside a hot girl, that is...

 

[WesternCancer]

ElJefe is that the pump you're talking about? The first time I ever experienced that was at work last summer. I had to drag this 1000lb+ pallet of sugar across the room every few hours. After I would do it I would just sit there in bliss, it was legitimately akin to that feeling you get right after you blow your load.

 

[velkrum]

squats will develop traps and legs, but it is not a good OVER ALL body developing exercise. There really is no good over all body developing exercise, which is why you should train all muscles.

 

[MikeCF]

Squats give you a major boost in testosterone.

They also give you balls.

Do 20-rep squats for 6 weeks, and you'll be bigger all over and badder.

Squattin’

By Dale Clark

Way down this road, in a gym far away
A young man was once heard to say,
“I’ve repped high and I’ve repped low,
No matter what I do, my legs won’t grow.”

He tried leg extensions, leg curls and leg presses, too
Trying to cheat, these sissy workouts he’d do
From the corner of the gym where the big men train,
Through a cloud of chalk in the midst of pain.

Where the big iron rides high and threatens lives,
Where the noise is made with big forty-fives,
A deep voice bellowed as he wrapped up his knees,
A very big man with legs like trees,

Laughing as he snatched another plate from the stack,
Chalking his hands and his monstrous back,
Said, “Boy, stop lying and don’t say you’ve forgotten
Trouble with you is you ain’t been squattin’.”

©Dale Clark 1983.

 

[Big Nilla]

Squats give you a major boost in testosterone.

They also give you balls.

Do 20-rep squats for 6 weeks, and you'll be bigger all over and badder.

Squattin’

By Dale Clark

Way down this road, in a gym far away
A young man was once heard to say,
“I’ve repped high and I’ve repped low,
No matter what I do, my legs won’t grow.”

He tried leg extensions, leg curls and leg presses, too
Trying to cheat, these sissy workouts he’d do
From the corner of the gym where the big men train,
Through a cloud of chalk in the midst of pain.

Where the big iron rides high and threatens lives,
Where the noise is made with big forty-fives,
A deep voice bellowed as he wrapped up his knees,
A very big man with legs like trees,

Laughing as he snatched another plate from the stack,
Chalking his hands and his monstrous back,
Said, “Boy, stop lying and don’t say you’ve forgotten
Trouble with you is you ain’t been squattin’.”

©Dale Clark 1983.

Back in college I used 20 rep breathing squats to get my squat up to 500x10. Parallel, not ATG. Added the 2.5's to make it a nice round 500.

 

[Walnuts]

I'm 5'10, 72kg, think that's about 160lbs.
Right now my 1rp bench press is 200lbs.
Haven't really done squats or dead lift. I can easily hit 440 on the leg press though if that counts for anything.

Im finding it hard to eat enough to gain weight. Being 19 and in college I don't have the time, money or patients to cook me a steak every night.

Anyway, I wanted to ask; how would you build a big chest with calisthenics? Seems impossible.
It annoys me when these body weight training trolls talk about all you need to train is an empty space. It's ridiculous. How would you do your Chest? How would you do your biceps? Back?

 

[The Fantasist]

It annoys me when these body weight training trolls talk about all you need to train is an empty space. It's ridiculous. How would you do your Chest? How would you do your biceps? Back?

They would say push ups and dips for chest and pull ups for back and would be right to a degree but for big mass you need compound movements and in those two target areas that means bench press and deads.

Before I join the discussion can someone please tell me: Are people including the bar in their weight totals?

 

[Hades]

I'm 5'10, 72kg, think that's about 160lbs.
Right now my 1rp bench press is 200lbs.
Haven't really done squats or dead lift. I can easily hit 440 on the leg press though if that counts for anything.

Im finding it hard to eat enough to gain weight. Being 19 and in college I don't have the time, money or patients to cook me a steak every night.

Anyway, I wanted to ask; how would you build a big chest with calisthenics? Seems impossible.
It annoys me when these body weight training trolls talk about all you need to train is an empty space. It's ridiculous. How would you do your Chest? How would you do your biceps? Back?

You need an empty space, a pullup bar, and maybe a yoga mat.
As for your questions; pushup progression, pullup progression, back bridge progression.

edit: I'm not sure why I bother continually answering questions anymore. I see nothing wrong with barbell training or bodyweight training. The only issue is that there's equipment limitations to barbell training that I don't find attractive as a poor college student/frequent traveler. After doing bodyweight training for eight weeks, I find it superior in many ways. You guys need to check your egos and do your own research.

 

[Walnuts]

I thought pull ups worked your lats more than biceps.

I'm curious to know what exactly constitutes push up progression. If there is a way that I can do a pushup that is the weight equivalent to my 200lb bench press then awesome, i wont renew my gym membership. I don't have anything against body weight training, it's just that I've seen my best gains come through the good old free weights room. So that's what I prefer.

I include the bar weight, it's a 20Kg Olympic barbell. I slap 35kg on each side bringing it to 90Kg, roughly 200lbs

 

[Hades]

I thought pull ups worked your lats more than biceps.

I'm curious to know what exactly constitutes push up progression. If there is a way that I can do a pushup that is the weight equivalent to my 200lb bench press then awesome, i wont renew my gym membership. I don't have anything against body weight training, it's just that I've seen my best gains come through the good old free weights room. So that's what I prefer.

I include the bar weight, it's a 20Kg Olympic barbell. I slap 35kg on each side bringing it to 90Kg, roughly 200lbs

It's cool you're interested. The bicep is a somewhat overrated muscle, I think. Pullups do work the lats, but as a compound exercise, they also build up the biceps.

As for a pushup progression, depending on what you weigh, a one-armed pushup (feet close together, arm nearly beneath body) would be easily a 200+ pound bench press.

Since I weigh ~215#, a one-armed pushup for me would be roughly 140# (give or take). Double that and you're at 280# for both arms.

Using the one-rep max calculator, if I can do 15 proper one-armed pushups in succession, that's 229# per arm 1RM, for a total of ~440# one-rep max. Close grip.

 

[Walnuts]

Holy balls I had no idea! I'm gona give it a shot.
I need to find a place to do pullups though. I don't want to damage my place with a pullup bar.

 

[Kickb]

You can buy a pullup bar that uses your door frame for support. I have one and it hasn't damaged anything.

 

[lavidaloca]

I'm 5'10 175lbs

Bench 260
Squat 335
Deadlift 0

 

[kimleebj]

Once I did 26 pullups in a row.

That's awesome. The Presidential Physical Fitness award says the 85th percentile of 17-year-old boys was "only" 13 pull-ups.

Presidential Physical Fitness Award

Were these strict dead-hang pull-ups, or did you use swinging/kipping form?