Root canals - LT health issues

[Zenta]

Threads like these make me sad, due to poor dentists wanting to make money and poor dental hygiene as a child I have a mouth full of fillings. I recently just got a root canal done as well. I have alot of health issues and constant fatigue and always think to my mouth full of mercury and reading that my root canal will likely always cause me some underlying problems is icing on the cake.

I honestly considered having my tooth pulled instead of getting a root canal done but I ended up deciding I'd rather have a tooth there than not.

 

[BromigoMike]

Why are we still discussing this stupid topic? The logic in the Root Cause video is flawed. They make a conditional probability statement, "The probability of having had a root canal given that a person has cancer is 98%." From this they incorrectly invert and infer that "Therefore, the probability of having cancer given that one has had a root canal is 98%"

An example to highlight this defective logic is "The probability of having had Romaine lettuce given that a person has cancer is 100%." Therefore, romaine lettuce causes cancer.......

If you need a root canal, have it done by your local endodontist (specialist in root canals) and not your general dentist. For the majority of root canals, you will NOT need an antibiotic.

For those of you who say extract your tooth and place an implant. Here's food for thought....when you extract a tooth, you create an open socket/wound in an oral cavity complete with a wide range of bacteria. Do you think the extraction site is sterile and will remain sterile? Come on use some common sense....Furthermore, implants have their own set of problems as well. It's always best to try to save your natural tooth first.

 

[Tail Gunner]

For those of you who say extract your tooth and place an implant. Here's food for thought....when you extract a tooth, you create an open socket/wound in an oral cavity complete with a wide range of bacteria. Do you think the extraction site is sterile and will remain sterile? Come on use some common sense....Furthermore, implants have their own set of problems as well. It's always best to try to save your natural tooth first.

Indeed, use some common sense and do some research. Yes, the wound area will indeed remain sterile if the dentist properly removes all of the tissue from the root and scrapes down to the bone (instead of leaving it behind when he seals the wound). Then bone will grow to fill that wound area, so that bacteria cannot even exist there. The use of ozone and PRF will keep the area sterile while the new bone grows. New bone = no wound or hole = no bacteria. Why do you think that I paid thousands of dollars for cavitation surgery? Ideally, find an experienced holistic dentist to perform the procedure.

Understanding cavitation surgery

Cavitation has two separate meaning. First, it refers to a cavity infection in the bone. And regarding the operation, it suggests a dental surgical process. Hence, a cavitation surgery works towards removing the affected bone from a cavity, for a healthy, new bone to grow back.

* * *

To be able to choose the best cavitation surgery practitioner is a challenge. However, when you are searching for one, make sure you check on the following points. It will help you to make the correct decisions. Hence, the practitioner should be able to:

Take away the periodontal membrane – Usually, the periodontal membrane is left behind, so that our body heals the bone close to it. It ultimately creates a hole, where yeast, virus and other bacteria hide. Not obliterating this membrane results in cavitation infections. Ensure that your dentist or surgeon has mastered the art of periodontal membrane removal.

Carry out PRF (Platelet Rich Fibrin) or any other similar process – PRF facilitates bone generation and healing soon after the surgery. Right after the surgery, even before the operated area gets stitched, the surgeon will add in PRF. It gets sourced from the patient's blood before the surgery. Patients' who have experienced cavitation surgery have always benefited from PRF addition.

Make use of ozone at the time of the process- All types of dental yeast, virus, and bacteria are unhealthy. It can affect the entire body gradually. Ozone has proved to be the ideal security against them. Hence, it's advisable that you reach out for a practitioner for a cavitation surgery who makes use of ozone at the time of surgery.

Provide ozone injection after the surgery is over – It’s always better to have an ozone injection after a cavitation surgery. It helps in fast healing and tackles any remaining procedure. The dentist or surgeon can inject a small fraction of ozone after the site stitching gets finished. And then, ozone injections on a weekly basis can be continued for about a month. If there's need, then it can be used even more frequently. The practitioner should also have the idea about drilling taps for ozone injections. It is helpful if there’s further need for ozone after bone formation.

Maintain ample caution so as not to force open the jaw – Dentists know that after the surgery the jaw is delicate. Hence, it should never be forced open. It can result in Trismus. Patients will always want to open their jaw. That's something prevalent after a surgery. And here the dentist needs to maintain caution and ensure that the jaw opening happens without any stress. Furthermore, Trismus causes immense main and takes time to heal completely.

https://www.101dentist.com/dentist_...fore-and-after-a-cavitation-surgery-134.shtml

 

[BromigoMike]

For those of you who say extract your tooth and place an implant. Here's food for thought....when you extract a tooth, you create an open socket/wound in an oral cavity complete with a wide range of bacteria. Do you think the extraction site is sterile and will remain sterile? Come on use some common sense....Furthermore, implants have their own set of problems as well. It's always best to try to save your natural tooth first.

Indeed, use some common sense and do some research. Yes, the wound area will indeed remain sterile if the dentist properly removes all of the tissue from the root and scrapes down to the bone (instead of leaving it behind when he seals the wound). Then bone will grow to fill that wound area, so that bacteria cannot even exist there. The use of ozone and PRF will keep the area sterile while the new bone grows. New bone = no wound or hole = no bacteria. Why do you think that I paid thousands of dollars for cavitation surgery? Ideally, find an experienced holistic dentist to perform the procedure.

Understanding cavitation surgery

Cavitation has two separate meaning. First, it refers to a cavity infection in the bone. And regarding the operation, it suggests a dental surgical process. Hence, a cavitation surgery works towards removing the affected bone from a cavity, for a healthy, new bone to grow back.

* * *

To be able to choose the best cavitation surgery practitioner is a challenge. However, when you are searching for one, make sure you check on the following points. It will help you to make the correct decisions. Hence, the practitioner should be able to:

Take away the periodontal membrane – Usually, the periodontal membrane is left behind, so that our body heals the bone close to it. It ultimately creates a hole, where yeast, virus and other bacteria hide. Not obliterating this membrane results in cavitation infections. Ensure that your dentist or surgeon has mastered the art of periodontal membrane removal.

Carry out PRF (Platelet Rich Fibrin) or any other similar process – PRF facilitates bone generation and healing soon after the surgery. Right after the surgery, even before the operated area gets stitched, the surgeon will add in PRF. It gets sourced from the patient's blood before the surgery. Patients' who have experienced cavitation surgery have always benefited from PRF addition.

Make use of ozone at the time of the process- All types of dental yeast, virus, and bacteria are unhealthy. It can affect the entire body gradually. Ozone has proved to be the ideal security against them. Hence, it's advisable that you reach out for a practitioner for a cavitation surgery who makes use of ozone at the time of surgery.

Provide ozone injection after the surgery is over – It’s always better to have an ozone injection after a cavitation surgery. It helps in fast healing and tackles any remaining procedure. The dentist or surgeon can inject a small fraction of ozone after the site stitching gets finished. And then, ozone injections on a weekly basis can be continued for about a month. If there's need, then it can be used even more frequently. The practitioner should also have the idea about drilling taps for ozone injections. It is helpful if there’s further need for ozone after bone formation.

Maintain ample caution so as not to force open the jaw – Dentists know that after the surgery the jaw is delicate. Hence, it should never be forced open. It can result in Trismus. Patients will always want to open their jaw. That's something prevalent after a surgery. And here the dentist needs to maintain caution and ensure that the jaw opening happens without any stress. Furthermore, Trismus causes immense main and takes time to heal completely.

https://www.101dentist.com/dentist_...fore-and-after-a-cavitation-surgery-134.shtml

Holistic dentist :tard:....Have fun with that.

I'm in the field so I think I might know what I'm talking about. We all can agree that bacteria is microscopic. How does a dentist know when they are removing all the bacteria? Everyone's mouth is filled with bacteria, an extraction site will never be sterile.

In your case you had discomfort from root tips left over after a third molar extraction. You could have simply went to an oral surgeon and he/she could have advised you on the best course of action which most likely would have been root tip removal.

You don't know what you don't know. Why are you even speaking on the subject if you have no clue what you're talking about? Providing a link to some unverifiable site.....give me a break.

 

[Tail Gunner]

For those of you who say extract your tooth and place an implant. Here's food for thought....when you extract a tooth, you create an open socket/wound in an oral cavity complete with a wide range of bacteria. Do you think the extraction site is sterile and will remain sterile? Come on use some common sense....Furthermore, implants have their own set of problems as well. It's always best to try to save your natural tooth first.

Indeed, use some common sense and do some research. Yes, the wound area will indeed remain sterile if the dentist properly removes all of the tissue from the root and scrapes down to the bone (instead of leaving it behind when he seals the wound). Then bone will grow to fill that wound area, so that bacteria cannot even exist there. The use of ozone and PRF will keep the area sterile while the new bone grows. New bone = no wound or hole = no bacteria. Why do you think that I paid thousands of dollars for cavitation surgery? Ideally, find an experienced holistic dentist to perform the procedure.

Understanding cavitation surgery

Cavitation has two separate meaning. First, it refers to a cavity infection in the bone. And regarding the operation, it suggests a dental surgical process. Hence, a cavitation surgery works towards removing the affected bone from a cavity, for a healthy, new bone to grow back.

* * *

To be able to choose the best cavitation surgery practitioner is a challenge. However, when you are searching for one, make sure you check on the following points. It will help you to make the correct decisions. Hence, the practitioner should be able to:

Take away the periodontal membrane – Usually, the periodontal membrane is left behind, so that our body heals the bone close to it. It ultimately creates a hole, where yeast, virus and other bacteria hide. Not obliterating this membrane results in cavitation infections. Ensure that your dentist or surgeon has mastered the art of periodontal membrane removal.

Carry out PRF (Platelet Rich Fibrin) or any other similar process – PRF facilitates bone generation and healing soon after the surgery. Right after the surgery, even before the operated area gets stitched, the surgeon will add in PRF. It gets sourced from the patient's blood before the surgery. Patients' who have experienced cavitation surgery have always benefited from PRF addition.

Make use of ozone at the time of the process- All types of dental yeast, virus, and bacteria are unhealthy. It can affect the entire body gradually. Ozone has proved to be the ideal security against them. Hence, it's advisable that you reach out for a practitioner for a cavitation surgery who makes use of ozone at the time of surgery.

Provide ozone injection after the surgery is over – It’s always better to have an ozone injection after a cavitation surgery. It helps in fast healing and tackles any remaining procedure. The dentist or surgeon can inject a small fraction of ozone after the site stitching gets finished. And then, ozone injections on a weekly basis can be continued for about a month. If there's need, then it can be used even more frequently. The practitioner should also have the idea about drilling taps for ozone injections. It is helpful if there’s further need for ozone after bone formation.

Maintain ample caution so as not to force open the jaw – Dentists know that after the surgery the jaw is delicate. Hence, it should never be forced open. It can result in Trismus. Patients will always want to open their jaw. That's something prevalent after a surgery. And here the dentist needs to maintain caution and ensure that the jaw opening happens without any stress. Furthermore, Trismus causes immense main and takes time to heal completely.

https://www.101dentist.com/dentist_...fore-and-after-a-cavitation-surgery-134.shtml

Holistic dentist :tard:....Have fun with that.

I'm in the field so I think I might know what I'm talking about. We all can agree that bacteria is microscopic. How does a dentist know when they are removing all the bacteria? Everyone's mouth is filled with bacteria, an extraction site will never be sterile.

In your case you had discomfort from root tips left over after a third molar extraction. You could have simply went to an oral surgeon and he/she could have advised you on the best course of action which most likely would have been root tip removal.

You don't know what you don't know. Why are you even speaking on the subject if you have no clue what you're talking about? Providing a link to some unverifiable site.....give me a break.

Many dentists still advocate mercury fillings and fluoride. So, it is obvious that even many dentists are idiots. You seem to fall in that category.

A dentist knows that he is removing the bacteria from a cavitation for the same reason that a doctor knows that he has removed the bacteria when he sterilizes a wound before sewing it up. A holistic dentist will use ozone and PRF. He obviously does not allow any saliva into the wound during the process. I did an immense amount of research on this topic before undergoing cavitation surgery, because a nerve is located in the bone near the rear wisdom teeth -- and a dentist can can permanent nerve damage by severing the nerve if the procedure is not done properly.

So why castigate others for their knowledge when you are so obviously clueless? Take the time to do some very basic research.

 

[BromigoMike]

For those of you who say extract your tooth and place an implant. Here's food for thought....when you extract a tooth, you create an open socket/wound in an oral cavity complete with a wide range of bacteria. Do you think the extraction site is sterile and will remain sterile? Come on use some common sense....Furthermore, implants have their own set of problems as well. It's always best to try to save your natural tooth first.

Indeed, use some common sense and do some research. Yes, the wound area will indeed remain sterile if the dentist properly removes all of the tissue from the root and scrapes down to the bone (instead of leaving it behind when he seals the wound). Then bone will grow to fill that wound area, so that bacteria cannot even exist there. The use of ozone and PRF will keep the area sterile while the new bone grows. New bone = no wound or hole = no bacteria. Why do you think that I paid thousands of dollars for cavitation surgery? Ideally, find an experienced holistic dentist to perform the procedure.

Understanding cavitation surgery

Cavitation has two separate meaning. First, it refers to a cavity infection in the bone. And regarding the operation, it suggests a dental surgical process. Hence, a cavitation surgery works towards removing the affected bone from a cavity, for a healthy, new bone to grow back.

* * *

To be able to choose the best cavitation surgery practitioner is a challenge. However, when you are searching for one, make sure you check on the following points. It will help you to make the correct decisions. Hence, the practitioner should be able to:

Take away the periodontal membrane – Usually, the periodontal membrane is left behind, so that our body heals the bone close to it. It ultimately creates a hole, where yeast, virus and other bacteria hide. Not obliterating this membrane results in cavitation infections. Ensure that your dentist or surgeon has mastered the art of periodontal membrane removal.

Carry out PRF (Platelet Rich Fibrin) or any other similar process – PRF facilitates bone generation and healing soon after the surgery. Right after the surgery, even before the operated area gets stitched, the surgeon will add in PRF. It gets sourced from the patient's blood before the surgery. Patients' who have experienced cavitation surgery have always benefited from PRF addition.

Make use of ozone at the time of the process- All types of dental yeast, virus, and bacteria are unhealthy. It can affect the entire body gradually. Ozone has proved to be the ideal security against them. Hence, it's advisable that you reach out for a practitioner for a cavitation surgery who makes use of ozone at the time of surgery.

Provide ozone injection after the surgery is over – It’s always better to have an ozone injection after a cavitation surgery. It helps in fast healing and tackles any remaining procedure. The dentist or surgeon can inject a small fraction of ozone after the site stitching gets finished. And then, ozone injections on a weekly basis can be continued for about a month. If there's need, then it can be used even more frequently. The practitioner should also have the idea about drilling taps for ozone injections. It is helpful if there’s further need for ozone after bone formation.

Maintain ample caution so as not to force open the jaw – Dentists know that after the surgery the jaw is delicate. Hence, it should never be forced open. It can result in Trismus. Patients will always want to open their jaw. That's something prevalent after a surgery. And here the dentist needs to maintain caution and ensure that the jaw opening happens without any stress. Furthermore, Trismus causes immense main and takes time to heal completely.

https://www.101dentist.com/dentist_...fore-and-after-a-cavitation-surgery-134.shtml

Holistic dentist :tard:....Have fun with that.

I'm in the field so I think I might know what I'm talking about. We all can agree that bacteria is microscopic. How does a dentist know when they are removing all the bacteria? Everyone's mouth is filled with bacteria, an extraction site will never be sterile.

In your case you had discomfort from root tips left over after a third molar extraction. You could have simply went to an oral surgeon and he/she could have advised you on the best course of action which most likely would have been root tip removal.

You don't know what you don't know. Why are you even speaking on the subject if you have no clue what you're talking about? Providing a link to some unverifiable site.....give me a break.

Many dentists still advocate mercury fillings and fluoride. So, it is obvious that even many dentists are idiots. You seem to fall in that category.

A dentist knows that he is removing the bacteria from a cavitation for the same reason that a doctor knows that he has removed the bacteria when he sterilizes a wound before sewing it up. A holistic dentist will use ozone and PRF. He obviously does not allow any saliva into the wound during the process. I did an immense amount of research on this topic before undergoing cavitation surgery, because a nerve is located in the bone near the rear wisdom teeth -- and a dentist can can permanent nerve damage if the procedure is not done properly. So why castigate others when you are so obviously clueless?

You can't argue with ignorance. There are certain situations where amalgam is the best material of choice. Fluoride is toxic in EXCESSIVE amounts. White fillings (composites) are known to contain monomers/additives that are carcinogenic. Everything these days can be linked to cancer........

Yes, the nerve is called the inferior alveolar nerve. An oral surgeon would have been the proper specialist to address the situation. I asked you specifically about how the extraction site becomes sterile and you literally write "A dentist knows that he is removing the bacteria from a cavitation for the same reason that a doctor knows that he has removed the bacteria when he sterilizes a wound before sewing it up.".....Great answer, I was asking for detailed specifics.

You outline the procedure about ozone and PRF. I'm aware and know of both. After you have the tooth extracted, the site grafted with PRF and you receive your ozone shot - there is still no way of knowing or ensuring that the extraction site was ever sterile or will stay sterile. Our skin has bacteria on it. Can you see it? No, because it is microscopic. How does your dentist magically see all this bacteria then? He or she doesn't. You literally have no idea what you are saying. The oral cavity is like the stomach. It is filled with bacteria. Bacteria isn't necessary a bad thing and in some cases it is essential.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I haven't even checked out the current link here, but I knew about the topic due to perusing some books:

There are a few others and there are plenty of research papers on the subject.

 

[Tail Gunner]

You outline the procedure about ozone and PRF. I'm aware and know of both. After you have the tooth extracted, the site grafted with PRF and you receive your ozone shot - there is still no way of knowing or ensuring that the extraction site was ever sterile or will stay sterile. Our skin has bacteria on it. Can you see it? No, because it is microscopic. How does your dentist magically see all this bacteria then? He or she doesn't. You literally have no idea what you are saying. The oral cavity is like the stomach. It is filled with bacteria. Bacteria isn't necessary a bad thing and in some cases it is essential.

You are missing the entire point of cavitation surgery. When a wisdom tooth is extracted and a dentist leaves soft tissue behind (i.e., he does not scrape down to the bone) that soft tissue will prevent bone growth, thereby leaving a pocket of dead tissue where bacteria can flourish and eventually spread to other parts of the body. Because of the lack of blood flow inside a cavitation, standard medications or drugs cannot reach these areas to kill bacteria. In fact, cavitations are officially known as "chronic ischemic bone disease," which is a name used to describe a disease process involving pathological changes in the bone tissue related to impaired blood flow (ischemia).

The point of cavitation surgery is to remove all the dead tissue, bacteria, and rotting bone. The dentist literally grinds down to good bone. That bone then regrows to fill the former pocket of dead tissue. There can be no bacteria, because there is now bone growth where the pocket previously existed (and where blood can now flow). The only bacteria that exists is now on top of the bone and under new tissue, where blood flow can provide white blood cells and transport medications.

Stated another way, the bacteria proliferates in the pocket because no blood flow reaches that area. The bone regrowth that refills the pocket solves that problem. The ozone and PRF simply ensures sterility in the pocket until the bone regrows. This process takes about six months to a year.

Stated yet a third way, my x-rays showed pockets in two of four wisdom teeth extraction sites. [If my dentist wanted to defraud me, he could have claimed that all four pockets were infected, but he did not.] About a year after surgery, the x-rays showed bone regrowth and the fact that the pockets were gone. Problem solved.

This article explains why root canals are somewhat similar to cavitations:

https://naturaldentistrycenter.com/natural-dentistry/jaw-bone-infections-cavitations/

 

[BromigoMike]

You outline the procedure about ozone and PRF. I'm aware and know of both. After you have the tooth extracted, the site grafted with PRF and you receive your ozone shot - there is still no way of knowing or ensuring that the extraction site was ever sterile or will stay sterile. Our skin has bacteria on it. Can you see it? No, because it is microscopic. How does your dentist magically see all this bacteria then? He or she doesn't. You literally have no idea what you are saying. The oral cavity is like the stomach. It is filled with bacteria. Bacteria isn't necessary a bad thing and in some cases it is essential.

You are missing the entire point of cavitation surgery. When a wisdom tooth is extracted and a dentist leaves soft tissue behind (i.e., he does not scrape down to the bone) that soft tissue will prevent bone growth, thereby leaving a pocket of dead tissue where bacteria can flourish and eventually spread to other parts of the body. Because of the lack of blood flow inside a cavitation, standard medications or drugs cannot reach these areas to kill bacteria. In fact, cavitations are officially known as "chronic ischemic bone disease," which is a name used to describe a disease process involving pathological changes in the bone tissue related to impaired blood flow (ischemia).

The point of cavitation surgery is to remove all the dead tissue, bacteria, and rotting bone. The dentist literally grinds down to good bone. That bone then regrows to fill the former pocket of dead tissue. There can be no bacteria, because there is now bone growth where the pocket previously existed (and where blood can now flow). The only bacteria that exists is now on top of the bone and under new tissue, where blood flow can provide white blood cells and transport medications.

Stated another way, the bacteria proliferates in the pocket because no blood flow reaches that area. The bone regrowth that refills the pocket solves that problem. The ozone and PRF simply ensures sterility in the pocket until the bone regrows. This process takes about six months to a year.

Stated yet a third way, my x-rays showed pockets in two of four wisdom teeth extraction sites. [If my dentist wanted to defraud me, he could have claimed that all four pockets were infected, but he did not.] About a year after surgery, the x-rays showed bone regrowth and the fact that the pockets were gone. Problem solved.

This article explains why root canals are somewhat similar to cavitations:

https://naturaldentistrycenter.com/natural-dentistry/jaw-bone-infections-cavitations/

Are you a dentist? Apparently you think you are. You are entitled to your own beliefs but the fact that you speak with such cavalier without having proper knowledge/experience is concerning since you can misguide/misinform other forum members.

There is no such thing as sterility in the oral cavity.

In an earlier post, you stated you had a botched wisdom tooth extraction where root tips were left. I'm assuming you had discomfort and the socket failed to heal/close due to the broken root tips. Therefore, once the root tips were removed and the socket properly debrided/curetted of the granulation tissue, the socket was able to heal fully with osseous growth.

 

[Tail Gunner]

There is no such thing as sterility in the oral cavity.

I will try one last time. Sterility in the oral cavity is not the issue, the body's inability to heal is the issue. If a dentist leaves a pocket of dead necrotic tissue behind in a tooth pocket, then blood flow cannot reach this area to control bacteria levels. Over time, this condition can lead to various disease states.

By performing cavitation surgery, the dentist removes all necrotic tissue and rotting bone. New bone then fills the pocket. There is no longer an area that white blood cells cannot reach -- and bacteria levels are kept in check by the body. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[buja]

Are you a dentist?

Where did you get your medical degree?

The typical orthodox response when presented with facts that cut into their easy money dogma...

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I haven't even checked out the current link here, but I knew about the topic due to perusing some books:

There are a few others and there are plenty of research papers on the subject.

Those guys are dentists and MDs - even more - they were top in their field. But I guess that they are heretics and gone mad.

 

[Stirfry]

Hi everyone- Sorry for joining the discussion a little late. I’m a dentist and willing to discuss this subject and answer questions if anyone is interested.

Very briefly: A root canal (or endodontic therapy) is a procedure where the pulp (nerves, blood vessels and connective tissue in the center of a living or “vital” tooth) is mechanically removed with small files or rotary instruments (or, more likely, a combination of the two). This is done when the pulp is exposed to the outside world or otherwise damaged through tooth decay, trauma, or other reasons, resulting in its swelling and a condition called pulpitis, or what most people call a toothache. Your tooth hurts not specifically because the enamel or dentin or other mineralized structures are damaged- they are not alive- but because the pulp inside is swelling and has nowhere to go. Incidentally, this is the same situation that happens to the brain when it swells because it is encased inside a mineralized compartment– the skull.

If the trauma is of a certain intensity or duration, the pulp dies. The tooth can stay like this for a while and sometimes it’s totally asymptomatic, but more often than not, given enough time, pain and bone loss associated with the apex (root tip) will manifest due to chronic inflammation. That’s when it’s time for a root canal.

Good endodontic treatment involves filing away at the interior of the tooth, down to the root apex, and making it as sterile as possible (I was always taught in school that endodontic failures were usually the result of incomplete canal instrumentation). Then the root canals are filled (or “obdurated”) with an elongated cone of rubber material called gutta percha that is a softened with heat and secured in place with dental cement. The pulp chamber itself is just filled with a temporary restorative material until the final restoration can be made. Usually this is a crown or some sort of full coverage because endodontically treated teeth are notable for drying out over time and becoming a bit more fragile than vital teeth.

That’s it, that’s all it is. All the talk about nerves and ozone and bacteria that I noticed in this thread is more an example of “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing” rather than providing any useful information. In all my training in dentistry over the years (and in my career as an academic dentist) I’ve never heard of any reputable clinician or scientific publication linking endo to any systemic illness. So yes, people saying those things and writing books like that are most likely quacks and charlatans, or worse they are trying to exploit the fears of sick or weak people to make a buck.

 

[Tail Gunner]

Good endodontic treatment involves filing away at the interior of the tooth, down to the root apex, and making it as sterile as possible (I was always taught in school that endodontic failures were usually the result of incomplete canal instrumentation). Then the root canals are filled (or “obdurated”) with a rubber material called gutta-percha, softened with heat, which is secured in place with dental cement. The pulp chamber itself is just filled with a temporary restorative material until the final restoration can be made. Usually this is a crown or some sort of full coverage because endodontically treated teeth are notable for essentially drying out over time and becoming a bit more fragile than vital teeth.

Thank you for your input. I am always open to hearing more information. I am open to the idea that a root canal (or tooth extraction), if done properly with modern methods, will not create a systemic health problem. Unfortunately, just as you cannot trust all doctors or lawyers to do a proper job, you need to ensure that your endodontist knows what he is doing and ask some probing questions about how he does the procedure. Modern dentistry may have changed from the bad old days.

Back to Weston Price and Meinig, this is not the kind of endodontics they’re talking about. In fact, I’ll say this humbly, but even in the book by Meinig, for some reason, he pirated one of my cases and one of my cases shows up in this textbook. In the figure description, he says that if root canals were done like this, he would have no issue with endodontics. But then he goes on to say, regrettably, most endodontic procedures aren’t done like this and that’s why he stands by his assertion that if you need a root canal, you should have your tooth extracted. If you’ve had a root canal, you should have your tooth extracted.

https://www.endoruddle.com/blogs/show/18/quack-watch-keeping-your-patients-informed

In all my training in dentistry over the years (and in my career as an academic dentist) I’ve never heard of any reputable clinician or scientific publication linking endo to any systemic illness. So yes, people saying those things and writing books like that are most likely quacks and charlatans, or worse they are trying to exploit fears to make a buck.

I take some exception to this statement. At least one scientific study, which reviewed other scientific studies, concluded:

CONCLUSIONS:
Although additional well-designed longitudinal clinical studies are needed, the results of this systematic review suggest that some systemic diseases may be correlated with endodontic outcomes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28190585


It is also well-established that lack of oral health can cause systemic illness. Just doing a very quick Google search, the first entry is from the Pennsylvania Dental Association, which states the following:

Studies also have shown that periodontal disease may be linked to cardiovascular disease, stroke, bacterial pneumonia, preterm births and low-birth weight babies. Research suggests that people with periodontal disease are nearly three times as likely to suffer from heart disease. Oral bacteria can affect the heart when it enters the blood stream, attaching to fatty plaques in the heart’s blood vessels and contributing to the formation of clots.

https://www.padental.org/Online/Res...etween_Oral_Health_and_Systemic_Diseases.aspx


So, if the endodontist does not do a proper job, then it certainly leaves patients open to systemic illness. It is unknown whether a properly done modern root canal procedure can also occasionally lead to such systemic illness. Like everything else in life, you take your chances based on best information.

 

[Stirfry]

You are conflating one issue with another. Yes, poor oral hygiene and most forms of chronic inflammation, particularly that caused by microorganisms in the oral cavity (a very dirty place) have been linked to systemic illness, especially cardiovascular disease, when severe and drawn out over many years. And yes, there are bad endodontists just like there are bad periodontists and surgeons and every other kind of professional. But it’s a far leap from bacteria left behind by a lousy dentist and cancer.

To me, as a scientist, this is on par with people who say vaccines cause autism, Fluoride is a form of mind control, and airplane contrails are a government conspiracy. On the one hand it’s kind of funny to see how stupid people can be, but on the other it takes a certain brand of willful ignorance to defend such absurd positions, a brand that can be quite harmful to society when taken to an extreme. Just look at the resurgence of measles, for example.

 

[Tail Gunner]

You are conflating one issue with another. Yes, poor oral hygiene and most forms of chronic inflammation, particularly that caused by microorganisms in the oral cavity (a very dirty place) have been linked to systemic illness, especially cardiovascular disease, when severe and drawn out over many years. And yes, there are bad endodontists just like there are bad periodontists and surgeons and every other kind of professional. But it’s a far leap from bacteria left behind by a lousy dentist and cancer.

To me, as a scientist, this is on par with people who say vaccines cause autism, Fluoride is a form of mind control, and airplane contrails are a government conspiracy. On the one hand it’s kind of funny to see how stupid people can be, but on the other it takes a certain brand of willful ignorance to defend such absurd positions, a brand that can be quite harmful to society when taken to an extreme. Just look at the resurgence of measles, for example.

I think that you may have responded before I updated my post, where I added the scientific study that concluded as follows:

CONCLUSIONS:
Although additional well-designed longitudinal clinical studies are needed, the results of this systematic review suggest that some systemic diseases may be correlated with endodontic outcomes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28190585


So, your conclusion that there is no "reputable clinician or scientific publication linking endo to any systemic illness" is just plain wrong. I did not spend time researching the issue, so there may be other scientific studies as well.

I have never heard anyone claim that "Fluoride is a form of mind control," but there are good reasons why almost all of Europe abandoned its use in water. And a study in the UK recently linked it to thyroid disease.

The fact is that most health professionals simply accept the status quo without question, rather than researching these issues for themselves. I understand why: most health professionals are busy people and they rely upon conventional wisdom, which can be wrong. This is why the primary responsibility for a patient's health falls upon the patient himself. Any patient that breaks this rule does so at his own risk.

 

[scenicway]

You are conflating one issue with another. Yes, poor oral hygiene and most forms of chronic inflammation, particularly that caused by microorganisms in the oral cavity (a very dirty place) have been linked to systemic illness, especially cardiovascular disease, when severe and drawn out over many years. And yes, there are bad endodontists just like there are bad periodontists and surgeons and every other kind of professional. But it’s a far leap from bacteria left behind by a lousy dentist and cancer.

To me, as a scientist, this is on par with people who say vaccines cause autism, Fluoride is a form of mind control, and airplane contrails are a government conspiracy. On the one hand it’s kind of funny to see how stupid people can be, but on the other it takes a certain brand of willful ignorance to defend such absurd positions, a brand that can be quite harmful to society when taken to an extreme. Just look at the resurgence of measles, for example.

I think that you may have responded before I updated my post, where I added the scientific study that concluded as follows:

CONCLUSIONS:
Although additional well-designed longitudinal clinical studies are needed, the results of this systematic review suggest that some systemic diseases may be correlated with endodontic outcomes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28190585


So, your conclusion that there is no "reputable clinician or scientific publication linking endo to any systemic illness" is just plain wrong. I did not spend time researching the issue, so there may be other scientific studies as well.

I have never heard anyone claim that "Fluoride is a form of mind control," but there are good reasons why almost all of Europe abandoned its use in water. And a study in the UK recently linked it to thyroid disease.

The fact is that most health professionals simply accept the status quo without question, rather than researching these issues for themselves. I understand why: most health professionals are busy people and they rely upon conventional wisdom, which can be wrong. This is why the primary responsibility for a patient's health falls upon the patient himself. Any patient that breaks this rule does so at his own risk.

There is a lot of misinformation on this thread and I wasn’t going to engage in it, but since you actually referenced a reputable journal via the nih link I had to take a look. You must not have actually read the JOE systemic review you are referencing.

The JOE review is examining if there is a link between systemic diseases and poor endo outcomes. Is endodontic therapy as successful on patients with existing systemic diseases. That is what they are looking at. As you can imagine, patients with chronic diseases such as diabetes show delayed healing to medical procedures in general. This applies to implant success rates as well and is well documented.

I implore anyone to present legitimate peer reviewed research that supports the conclusions reached in the Netflix show. You won’t find any because it doesn’t exist. The documentary was a marketing strategy produced by a group of general dentists in Texas that want to place more implants.

 

[Stirfry]

^^^

Scenicway, don’t waste your time arguing with these people. They are contortionists when it comes to twisting statistics, quotes, scientific studies, etc. It’s like the ‘Ancient Aliens’ crowd, but without the sense of humor.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

^^^

Scenicway, don’t waste your time arguing with these people. They are contortionists when it comes to twisting statistics, quotes, scientific studies, etc. It’s like the ‘Ancient Aliens’ crowd, but without the sense of humor.

Nice going discarding legitimate concerns raised by dentists with far higher credentials and experience as Aliens-buggery or quacks.

With reasoning like that, then there is no surprise that they can now claim with a straight face that men can be women if they feel like it and that men and women are equally strong and fast. I hope that you are on board with that wonderful scientific consensus.

Also nice going to assume that everything about all our current treatments - especially long-term consequences - are the final say in the matter and nothing ever bad will be found out about it.

Reputable journal my ass - when the former Lancet editor at the end of his career claimed that a majority of medical studies are either bogus or outright fabricated.

And this here is frankly a minor topic out of all of the ones available.