Rugby questions thread
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If you're non competitive in the scrum, its pretty much impossible to win.
That's said, really only five of the forwards determine the efficacy if the scrum.
That's said, really only five of the forwards determine the efficacy if the scrum.
Mr. Ripley
Sparrow
Set pieces are important. Its vital to win your own ball, obviously.
nek
Pelican
CrashBangWallop said:
Watched the game. To my untrained eyes, what won the game for England was:
- Great defense by the English, esp. when Oz got near the try line.
- Timely and accurate kicking by England (Oz clearly won the possession game, but England did much better with quickly gaining chunks of territory).
- Handling mistakes by Australia that cost them possession.
As for the scrums, the only thing I could see was that the playing pitch sucked, and that penalty at the end that got England their last 3 points. At that point, however, the game was sealed anyways. So I'm not really sure how significant the scrum was in impacting the result of the match. Thoughts?
Mr. Ripley
Sparrow
Australia had a mountain of possession and failed to create and capitalise on scoring opportunities.
A quick tap must be taken immediately and from the exact spot that the referee indicates (give or take a yard or so I guess).
The type of kick taken from an infringement point is a purely tactical decision; with lots of factors taken into account.
For free kicks, you rarely see a kick to touch as possession is lost so a tap and go, whether quick or not, is usually the preferred option along with a very long, very high downfield kick for territory..
From a penalty, it is usually unwise to tap and go unless the game clock has expired or your team is within striking distance of the try line; even then, a scrum is often preferred when penalties are awarded close to the line as it ties in more forwards to allow a set play from the backs or a back row move.
As for the actual declaration; it is the captain's job to tell the referee what his team intends to do with the penalty. Once a decision has been made, it cannot be changed.
The type of kick taken from an infringement point is a purely tactical decision; with lots of factors taken into account.
For free kicks, you rarely see a kick to touch as possession is lost so a tap and go, whether quick or not, is usually the preferred option along with a very long, very high downfield kick for territory..
From a penalty, it is usually unwise to tap and go unless the game clock has expired or your team is within striking distance of the try line; even then, a scrum is often preferred when penalties are awarded close to the line as it ties in more forwards to allow a set play from the backs or a back row move.
As for the actual declaration; it is the captain's job to tell the referee what his team intends to do with the penalty. Once a decision has been made, it cannot be changed.
Also, I didn't notice your last question to me on the Eng Vs Aus game; to be honest i don't really remember the game it's been so long.
There is an old adage in rugby; the forwards win matches...the backs determine by how much.
The scrum is the arena for forward dominance to be displayed; a dominant scrum will often, but not always, win matches.
There is an old adage in rugby; the forwards win matches...the backs determine by how much.
The scrum is the arena for forward dominance to be displayed; a dominant scrum will often, but not always, win matches.
nek
Pelican
So I noticed that South Africa will be playing the Barbarians in the upcoming internationals, and that the Barbarians have several south Africans on their team. Is there some sort of etiquette that determines if a guy plays for the Barbarians against his own national team? If a guy was selected for both, does he always pick his own side to play for?
brick tamland
Kingfisher
@nek, the barbarians are an invitational team only. There are 8 south Africans in the barbarians squad, but all of them are players who were not selected for the South African Test team (the national team) touring the northern hemisphere this November. So there was no possibility of a double call-up (to two separate teams). In fact, many Barbarians players were not even on the radar for making it into a current Test squad (in other words, representing their own nations).
Mr. Ripley
Sparrow
The All Blacks are playing Ireland this weekend in Chicago. I'd implore you to watch it!
Ireland for the win. Awesome. Makes the tribe losing OK in comparison.
Mr. Ripley
Sparrow
Wow historic win! Congrats Ireland, thoroughly deserved.
nek
Pelican
I was reading this thread about how scrums have become a problem do to the egregiously crooked feeds, and how they've become completely unfair. My question about this, though, is if you make the scrums fair by enforcing the rules as written, what benefit would their be to the side that feeds? To phrase it another - more to the point - way, how would it be a punishment to the team that committed the infraction that caused the scrum in the first place?
P.S., Yes, I tried to register on that site just to get this question answered, it kicked me back saying that I was a robot. I'm not a robot. I'm a man.
P.S., Yes, I tried to register on that site just to get this question answered, it kicked me back saying that I was a robot. I'm not a robot. I'm a man.
LordMayorMuffSniff
Pigeon
nek said:
The scrum half will usually tap the hooker before feeding the ball to give the team with the feed the advantage but the higher the level of play, assuming a straight feed the advantage diminishes against better bookers.
I've never seen a scrum half tap a hooker in a scrum prior to the feed. Its not an action that would be easily hid and the opposing half would yell out to alert his hooker.
What I have seen virtually everywhere is the hooker will tap his open side prop on the should to signal to his half back to "feed now".
Back to the query, crooked feeds give a benefit to the side feeding, to ensure even greater success of winning the ball. No scrum Hal is going in crooked the other way to lose possession.
A straight feed is about making the contest as fair as possible.
This is the story of rugby league circa the 1910's, its pretty much a result of professionalism.
League ended up making the scrum a no contest and foregone conclusion.
What I have seen virtually everywhere is the hooker will tap his open side prop on the should to signal to his half back to "feed now".
Back to the query, crooked feeds give a benefit to the side feeding, to ensure even greater success of winning the ball. No scrum Hal is going in crooked the other way to lose possession.
A straight feed is about making the contest as fair as possible.
This is the story of rugby league circa the 1910's, its pretty much a result of professionalism.
League ended up making the scrum a no contest and foregone conclusion.