Russian Culture General [Ladies]

[messaggera]

22 April 2022

Putin tells Israel to hand over custody of historic Jerusalem church

Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent a letter to the Israeli government requesting that it transfer control of a historic church in Jerusalem to Russian custody.

www.christiantoday.com

• The church property, also known as the Cathedral of the Holy Trinity, is located in the Christian Quarter of Jerusalem's Old City and was once controlled by Tsarist Russia.
• Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov earlier this week told the media that the church transfer is a major priority in the current diplomatic relations between Russia and Israel.
• Handing the church to Russia would be considered a controversial move in light of other nations enacting sanctions on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine

How a piece of Tsarist Russia appeared in Jerusalem

Since its establishment in 1860, the Russian Compound in Jerusalem has undergone many makeovers and ownership changes.

www.rbth.com

Just a week before Nikita Khrushchev’s reign at the helm of affairs of the Soviet Union came to an end in 1964, he approved a decision to sell a 17-acre property in central Jerusalem that was owned by the Moscow Patriarchate for $3.5 million-worth of Jaffa oranges.

All that remained in Russian hands after the sale in the so-called Russian Compound was the Church of Holy Trinity, a landmark of Jerusalem, with its green domes and four octagonal bell towers, and another building. The sale, which was made in oranges, as Israel at that time lacked hard currency, is still considered controversial, as Russia lost a prime piece of real estate in what is the Holy Land for practitioners of three of the country’s major faiths.

In addition to the church, the Russian Compound, which was once walled, had a Russian consulate, men’s and women’s hostels, a hospital and a massive Orthodox mission, among other buildings. In 2021, it houses Jerusalem’s district courthouse, police headquarters (and even hosted nightclubs), although some parts of the compound are now back under Russian ownership.

Tsar

The Nevsky church property was initially purchased by Tsar Alexander II in 1859 and remained under Russian control until the 1917 Russian Revolution, according to The Times of Israel.

 

[messaggera]

Russian woman dressed

This is a beautiful praise to learn.
Thank you to the original poster

Christ is risen from the dead
Trampling over death by death
Come awake, come awake
Come and rise up from the grave

Paschal Troparion, Vladimir Morosan​

 

[messaggera]

Culture: social responsibility of business.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin publicly humiliated a top oligarch, accusing him and other factory owners in a crisis-hit town of greed and likening them to "cockroaches".

Mr Putin, playing on the anger of protesting workers in the town of Pikalyovo, forced Oleg Deripaska, a top metals tycoon and once Russia's richest man, to sign a contract for supplies to help idle factories restart operations.

"You have made thousands of people hostage to your ambitions, your lack of professionalism - or maybe simply your trivial greed," Mr Putin told Mr Deripaska and two other businessmen who own cement and alumina factories in the town.

"Where is the social responsibility of business?," he said in the confrontation broadcast on national television.

Mr Putin travelled to Pikalyovo, where hungry workers blocked a motorway this week to protest over unpaid salaries, as world business leaders gathered for Russia's premier annual economic summit in St Petersburg, 270 kilometres away. [article link]

Video starts with commentary: "Vladimir Putin strolled into town..."

 

[Owlet]

What was the date of this event?

Wonderful that Putin instantly spotted the kleptocracy: "Give me back my pen"!

 

[messaggera]

What was the date of this event?

Wonderful that Putin instantly spotted the kleptocracy: "Give me back my pen"!

Article was 2009 based off the video.

Now this may not be a popular opinion about Putin, but he is admirable and attractive as a man.
Maybe it is the intelligence (KGB background), humour, and masculinity that makes him attractive. Or power; I am not sure what it is...he seems to promote Orthodox as intertwined with Russian's culture. Enjoy listening to his speak - he commands attation.

 

[messaggera]

What was the date of this event?

Wonderful that Putin instantly spotted the kleptocracy: "Give me back my pen"!

Article was 2009 based off the video.

Now this may not be a popular opinion about Putin, but he is admirable and attractive as a man.
Maybe it is the intelligence (KGB background), humour, and masculinity that makes him attractive. Or power; I am not sure what it is...he seems to promote Orthodox as intertwined with Russia's culture. Enjoy listening to his speak - he commands attention.

 

[messaggera]

Russian symbolist artist Mikhail Vasilyevich Nesterov
Here is a link to his other works (great site for art)

Mikhail Nesterov - 366 artworks - Art Renewal Center

www.artrenewal.org

The Youth of St. Sergius



The Empty Tomb



Holy Rus / Saint Russia



The Taking of the Veil

 

[messaggera]

"The era of sorrows for Christianity began in the Russian land."
In 1922, Thousands of Christians Rose Up Against the Bolsheviks, Starting a Wave of Anti-Church Terror [Article link]

One hundred years ago, in May of 1922, at the outskirts of a provincial city of Ivanovo-Voznesensk, two priest and a layman, Fr. Paul Svetozarov, Fr. John Rozhdestvensky and Peter Iazykov, were executed by gunshot. Neither the exact place of their death, nor the location of their graves, has ever been disclosed.

In the year 2000, these three joined four others who were killed by gunfire on the Cathedral square of a nearby town Shuia (one of them was a young girl) in the group of New Martyrs of the Communist Era, canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church.

In the spring of 1922, the Communist authorities announced the expropriation of valuables from Orthodox churches all over Russia, to purchase food for the famine-stricken regions. Patriarch St. Tikhon offered voluntary donations — but that was not in the plans of the vicious rulers of our land. They sought an excuse for an anti-Church terror campaign.

On the day of the expropriation, several thousand faithful Christians gathered at the square before the Cathedral in Shuia. A Red Army detachment dispatched against them opened fire with live ammo. At least four people were put to death, and many more were injured and wounded. Within three days, the Communist Politburo was apprised of the event.
Lenin was elated and responded with the historical memo:
“We will suppress them with such a brutality as to make them remember it for a few generations… The more clergy we could kill in the process, the better.” From that time on, a wave of organized anti-Christian persecutions spread over Russia. Clergymen and laymen were arrested, put on trial, executed, sent to concentration camps and exile under false accusation of the “resistance to the expropriation of Church valuables”. The era of sorrows for Christianity began in the Russian land.

In the Fall of 2007, the monument to the victims of the anti-Church terror, the first monument to the New Martyrs of Russia, was unveiled in the Cathedral Square of Shuia, on the spot where their blood was spilled one hundred years ago. [Article link]

 

[Layla78]

Anyone know any good resources for learning beginner Russian? I tried Duolingo but it is not very usable these days. I'm interested in it for the literature.

 

[Stoyan]

Anyone know any good resources for learning beginner Russian? I tried Duolingo but it is not very usable these days. I'm interested in it for the literature.

Studying the Russian language

I've been tackling this language in a lazy way. I did all three units of Pimsleur and a couple hundred notecards. [Vulgarity deleted.]

www.rooshvforum.com

 

[Layla78]

Studying the Russian language

I've been tackling this language in a lazy way. I did all three units of Pimsleur and a couple hundred notecards. [Vulgarity deleted.]

www.rooshvforum.com

Cheers, I should have thought to search the forum itself

 

[messaggera]

Thank you @pureblood for sharing an article in another thread. I found this article interesting from the same website:

Restoration of Eucharistic Communion within the Russian Orthodox Church. How it came about that the Russian Church Abroad was formed? Why was it impossible to maintain unity with the Moscow Patriarchate in the 1920s?

We Have No Other Church, Nor Do We Have Any Other Russia - ROCOR Studies

Father Andrei, very briefly, especially for our readers, tell us how it came about that the Russian Church Abroad was formed? Why was it impossible to maintain unity with the Moscow Patriarchate in the 1920s? The 20th century brought unprecedented experience for the entire Russian Church. This...

www.rocorstudies.org

 

[messaggera]

Not sure where I came across this film, either on this forum perhaps or from random researching today, but this is turning out to be an interesting and educational film.

First episode

Set in late 17th century Russia, the film takes place at a time when the Russian Church made various changes to the liturgy, resulting in the violent separation of the Old Believers. Fighting, bloodshed, and political unrest were unfortunate results. Tsar Alexis, Patriarch Nikon, and Fr. Avvakum are some of the show’s central characters.

In the first episode, much of the filming takes place in the Yaroslavl region, a little north of Moscow. In Rostov the Great, there are some fine shots of the Rostov Kremlin and bell tower. And just south of Rostov, there are beautiful shots of the impressive 17th century wooden church of St. John the Theologian.

EXCLUSIVE: Russian Christian TV Series About Most Violent Schism in Russian Church History

17th century Orthodox Russia comes to life in this impressive 2011 Russian television production. The costumes are authentic, the historical scenery is stunning, and the Orthodox chanting is mesmerising. Set in late 17th century Russia, the film takes place at a time when the Russian Church made...

russian-faith.com

 

[messaggera]

If I was a single man living in an Orthodox country (I'm not and I don't) and there was a man who came to my country for the singular purpose of taking one of my countrywomen for himself, I would immediately have a very negative opinion of that person as he is a direct, and foreign, competitor. You have to be aware of that. If times got tough in those countries, you need to fit in perfectly. We're not entitled to move into other nations to marry their women, that's a very modern concept, and rarely does it work even temporarily unless you can fool a woman with your wealth. Why would a Russian woman marry an American unless he had a lot of money? And then you're not getting a trad wife, you're getting one of those westernized materialistic, vain women who's going to leave you as soon as the money dries up.

Do you know any of those languages? Are you any of those ethnicities? In any case, Fr. Joseph Gleason, an American, moved to Russia with his family (he's written about this extensively online), and there's several English speaking families moving there - but those are families moving there, not bachelors.

‘Migrant village’ for conservative Americans to be built in Russia – lawyer

Around 200 families want to settle in Moscow Region, with many more Westerners interested in coming, an immigration lawyer has said

www.rt.com

"One potential group of immigrants are traditionalist Catholics who are “white Americans with many children,” which the US government considers “domestic terrorists,” Beslangurov said."​

Spoiler: Complete Article

https://www.rt.com/where-to-watch/

‘Migrant village’ for conservative Americans to be built in Russia – lawyer​

Thousands of Westerners want to flee “radical liberal values,” a Russian immigration attorney claims

Construction of an “American village” for 200 families of conservative immigrants will start in Moscow Region in 2024. That's according to Moscow-based immigration attorney Timur Beslangurov.
A partner in the Vista law firm, Beslangurov brought up the proposed new settlement at a session of the St. Petersburg International Legal Forum on Thursday.

“Basically, they are Orthodox Christians, Americans and Canadians who, for ideological reasons, want to move to Russia,” he said.
The Moscow regional government has approved the project, but the prospective migrants are funding the settlement themselves, according to Beslangurov. He claimed it will be built in the Serpukhov district, which is south of the capital.

Tens of thousands of Westerners would like to move to Russia, the attorney claimed, including people with no Russian roots.
“The reasons are known, it’s the imposition of radical left-liberal values in the West, which basically have no limits. Today they have 70 genders, tomorrow who knows what,” Beslangurov told the conference. “Many normal people do not understand this, and they want to emigrate. Many choose Russia, but face a huge number of bureaucratic problems related to the imperfection of Russian immigration laws.”
One potential group of immigrants are traditionalist Catholics who are “white Americans with many children,” which the US government considers “domestic terrorists,” Beslangurov said.

READ MORE: Russian ‘LGBTQ propaganda’ law signed by Putin explained
An FBI memo made public in February referred to “radical-traditionalist Catholic” believers as potential “racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists.” After 19 Republican state attorneys-general demanded of the federal government to stop its “anti-Catholic bigotry,” the FBI disavowed the document.

 

[TheLearningWife]

I’ve been thinking about starting a Ladies thread re: relocating overseas for families, specifically to Russia. My husband and I have been talking about it for a couple years now. I have a sibling and family there, and used to visit during the summers/winters throughout my childhood, but haven’t been back since I was a teen. Really want our kids to experience the same thing and maybe get an apartment/temporary residency so we can spend the summers there. That way, if relocation becomes a reality, it’s not such a harsh transition. My mom (born USSR) is super against the idea (I understand why), but I am willing to give up many creature comforts to raise our kids in an Orthodox country. There are a ton of details to iron out, like starting a business vs employment, healthcare, housing, documents, etc., and thankfully we have experienced people to discuss this with at church, but it sure is hard with soon-to-be 4 young kids bouncing all over!

 

[Ah_Tibor]

‘Migrant village’ for conservative Americans to be built in Russia – lawyer

Around 200 families want to settle in Moscow Region, with many more Westerners interested in coming, an immigration lawyer has said

www.rt.com

"One potential group of immigrants are traditionalist Catholics who are “white Americans with many children,” which the US government considers “domestic terrorists,” Beslangurov said."​

I don't know. One of my favorite Dostoevsky quotes is "we live in paradise, but refuse to see it."

As bad as "the West" is, unless you have a genuine love or interest in another culture (in which case, go right ahead) I don't get the point in ripping up stakes and going somewhere else. There are plenty of areas in the US where housing and property are cheap. Some of them have Orthodox churches where you can find equally cranky people as the ones in an FSU country!

People used to move around in groups or blocks so generally I think all our problems really just come down to social atomization/behavioral sink type issues. Which I guess is what these groups are trying to do-- it's not like Westerners resettling in Russia or Eastern Europe is anything new (Mennonites and Jews, two examples).

 

[MarthaOrMary]

I don't know. One of my favorite Dostoevsky quotes is "we live in paradise, but refuse to see it."

As bad as "the West" is, unless you have a genuine love or interest in another culture (in which case, go right ahead) I don't get the point in ripping up stakes and going somewhere else. There are plenty of areas in the US where housing and property are cheap. Some of them have Orthodox churches where you can find equally cranky people as the ones in an FSU country!

People used to move around in groups or blocks so generally I think all our problems really just come down to social atomization/behavioral sink type issues. Which I guess is what these groups are trying to do-- it's not like Westerners resettling in Russia or Eastern Europe is anything new (Mennonites and Jews, two examples).

I also think this might be a sort of temptation to do our own will, to create our own little paradise on earth.
Maybe it is Gods will for them to shine like beacons of light in a non- orthodox country and bring others to the Truth.

 

[ChristFollower1111]

I’ve been thinking about starting a Ladies thread re: relocating overseas for families, specifically to Russia. My husband and I have been talking about it for a couple years now. I have a sibling and family there, and used to visit during the summers/winters throughout my childhood, but haven’t been back since I was a teen. Really want our kids to experience the same thing and maybe get an apartment/temporary residency so we can spend the summers there. That way, if relocation becomes a reality, it’s not such a harsh transition. My mom (born USSR) is super against the idea (I understand why), but I am willing to give up many creature comforts to raise our kids in an Orthodox country. There are a ton of details to iron out, like starting a business vs employment, healthcare, housing, documents, etc., and thankfully we have experienced people to discuss this with at church, but it sure is hard with soon-to-be 4 young kids bouncing all over!

I find this idea fascinating and I’ve given a lot of thought of the reasons for why I’m attracted to it. I am a 4th generation American at least on my mom’s side, but my paternal grandfather’s side has been American since before the revolutionary war. I have lived in 3 different states long-term in the US. I’m visiting my home state now and I don’t see myself raising my kids here or staying forever, same with the state I’m residing in now. Yet, if I was going to do a relocation like this I know it wouldn’t be for awhile- like 5 or 10 years.

It’s something I want to think and pray about a bit more. I think I’ve always been confused about ethnicity and what it really means to be American- ever since childhood- and I definitely think that my grandkids and great grandkids will not be white if we stay in the US. In fact, I think turning this place into a mixed brown “melting pot” has been the goal from the beginning, and we’re really seeing the fruits of it now. Most of my cousins now have mixed children.

There are definitely still many peaceful and beautiful places here, but I am thinking of what would be best for my family for generations. I have no real control over that though, so it is something I pray about.

If I didn’t have mostly Slavic ancestry myself I wouldn’t be interested in Russia. My husband is mostly southern European ethnicity though, so that’s to be considered. He wouldn’t do this or consider it unless or until it became clear that the US was not going to “get better”, whatever that even means. But with us, we’ve already moved around so much (even though it’s within the US), that it wouldn’t be that radical to drag up stakes again. We are already away from family and that is good in some ways, bad in others.

 

[Ah_Tibor]

I find this idea fascinating and I’ve given a lot of thought of the reasons for why I’m attracted to it. I am a 4th generation American at least on my mom’s side, but my paternal grandfather’s side has been American since before the revolutionary war. I have lived in 3 different states long-term in the US. I’m visiting my home state now and I don’t see myself raising my kids here or staying forever, same with the state I’m residing in now. Yet, if I was going to do a relocation like this I know it wouldn’t be for awhile- like 5 or 10 years.

It’s something I want to think and pray about a bit more. I think I’ve always been confused about ethnicity and what it really means to be American- ever since childhood- and I definitely think that my grandkids and great grandkids will not be white if we stay in the US. In fact, I think turning this place into a mixed brown “melting pot” has been the goal from the beginning, and we’re really seeing the fruits of it now. Most of my cousins now have mixed children.

There are definitely still many peaceful and beautiful places here, but I am thinking of what would be best for my family for generations. I have no real control over that though, so it is something I pray about.

We have a kind of "stick to your own" mentality that is more apparent to me as I get older and have kids.

Men often used to send back to the "old country" for wives; at my husband's home parish there's an older woman who ended up here that way. They never had kids but she's a cool lady.

It's kind of weird to me when random people do it, though

 

[messaggera]

I also think this might be a sort of temptation to do our own will, to create our own little paradise on earth.

According to the reports it is the individuals' moving who will provide finances for building the community. Does not sound like a village, but rather a "gated" community feel.

There are definitely still many peaceful and beautiful places here, but I am thinking of what would be best for my family for generations. I have no real control over that though, so it is something I pray about.

There are peaceful and beautiful places here in the States even if surrounded in a liberal environment. Homeschooled children, an authentic church community, nature and family life with grandparents allow Christian families to live in this world without being of the world's chaotic behaviours and trends.

People used to move around in groups or blocks so generally I think all our problems really just come down to social atomization/behavioral sink type issues.

Yes. We have a diverse range of European, East and West Slavs in the surrounding area where I grew up and our family reside today. Not to certain living in Moscow would replace what we have here currently - rich in history and Christianity.