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Pelican
Orthodox
Gold Member
HIDEOUS!

A Duginist Temple of Doom. A metallic Neo-Bolshevik monstrosity that glorifies the State filled with flags with Soviet hammers and sickles interspersed between icons of Putin and Stalin. Sooo typically Russia! Wonder if it was built with help from that Hasidic Jewish oligarch Alexander Mashkevitch, like several Russian Bolshevik Orthodox churches?

Those aesthetics are pure Socialist Realism.

Cold and empty (both metaphorically and literally—Russia just builds these Potemkin village churches without ever actually FILLING them .

You're like the conspiracy theory equivalent of hipsters who name-drop bands nobody has ever heard of to prove how cool they are. And just as deluded and self-absorbed, too!
 

nagareboshi

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Socialist Realism isn't even an insult. You are talking about an aesthetic system that at least attempted to imitate the ideals of traditional artwork which was actively subverted subsequently by western modernist and post-modern art. Which one is better in the end?
 

nagareboshi

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Is ROCOR organizationally the same thing as Russian Orthodox Church?

Are there any American parishes that are under jurisdiction directly of Russian Church? Or is ROCOR the only way in which this happens?
 

Sanctus

Pigeon
Protestant
Not sure if this goes here (feel free to move or delete) but I just purchased the Orthodox Study Bible. Something about it spoke to me as God continues to draw me near to Him.
 

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Pelican
Orthodox
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Is ROCOR organizationally the same thing as Russian Orthodox Church?

Are there any American parishes that are under jurisdiction directly of Russian Church? Or is ROCOR the only way in which this happens?

ROCOR is a separate entity but has been reunited with Moscow since 2007. So it's under Moscow but still largely independent.

Actually, there are some American parishes under the Moscow patriarchate rather than ROCOR, like Holy Trinity in Washington DC.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
VALAAM ABBOT INTRODUCES MANDATORY VACCINES FOR BROTHERS AND WORKERS
All those living and working at Holy Transfiguration Valaam Monastery are required to receive the COVID vaccine, and any who refuse will be kicked out of the monastery, the abbot told RIA-Novosti yesterday.

His Grace Bishop Pankraty of Troitsk, the abbot of the famous Valaam Monastery, was recently infected with the coronavirus. He had received the Sputnik vaccine in September but no longer had enough anti-bodies to fight off the virus.

As the bishop-abbot explained, the vaccine will be mandatory for the brethren, clergy, and all workers.

“A principle that’s fundamental for any monastery is obedience to the abbot, the hierarchy. If it’s observed, then the monastery functions and develops normally; if not, then everything collapses. Therefore, I couldn’t leave such a serious issue to free will,” Bp. Pankraty explained.

Those who refuse to be vaccinated “will simply be removed from the monastery without any financial support,” he added, noting that there are a few who are refusing.

Volunteers coming to the monastery will be asked to show either proof of vaccination or a recent PCR test. “But if we are vaccinated, then it won’t be so scary for us anymore,” His Grace commented.

Referring to his own bout with the virus, the monastery head emphasized that he and others he saw were at the brink of death. “Therefore, polemics and opinions are completely irrelevant,” he believes.

“I stand for absolutely, complete, one hundred percent vaccination of the entire population of the Russian Federation. This is my position: I was just in the red zone myself, near death, and I saw people waiting for death on a ventilator,” he recalled.
I don't agree with his decision.
 

lutak

 
Banned
Many churches in ROCOR and OCA are now in communion with the MP (Moscow patriarch) some pretty interesting history, many churches in ROCOR left ROCOR when they really communed with the MP due to what is called sergianism. Many of those old calender traditional churches have recommuned to become The GOC or genuine orthodox church. They reject sergianism as a heresy and the MP outright. They still do services with only one spoon and without masks. And reject those ideas as heresy as well.
 

lutak

 
Banned
Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the OCA or ROCOR. The GOC is made up of many churches that were part of the ROCOR that split after the communion with the MP. Some of the people In the GOC church I attended were actually baptized by Fr. Seraphim Rose. Very based people unwilling to compromise their faith to the whims of the modern age.
 

presidentcarter

Ostrich
Protestant
Gold Member
Not sure if this goes here (feel free to move or delete) but I just purchased the Orthodox Study Bible. Something about it spoke to me as God continues to draw me near to Him.
How is it?

I was looking at them the other day and considering going for the leather-bound one.

I assume there are no differences in hardcover vs leather bound content or format wise.
 

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Pelican
Orthodox
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I've come across some of these ROCOR schismatic groups online and they seem to spend a lot of time bickering with each other over which one is The Real One. It's not very convincing. And while the Moscow Patriarchate might not be perfect, the real question is whether these issues justify the egregious act of schism. I haven't seen convincing evidence that it does, and the fruit of the Purity Olympics seems to be tiny, disparate congregations making mutually exclusivist claims that they're the Real True Church of dubious oneness, holiness, and catholicity, at the least. The people involved (at least on the internet) often come across as hysterical and ugly. In many ways it reminds me of the character of independent fundamentalist baptist churches and their leaders. And I'm certainly not convinced that Fr. Seraphim Rose would be a fan of these schismatic extremist groups at all.

On the other hand there is much good and fruit from Moscow since the end of the Soviet Union. Satan tried and failed to destroy and corrupt them; the Soviet-era church was wounded, but not killed. I just don't find the argument that the Moscow Patriarchate is some crypto-Communist or globalist infiltrated church to be convincing at all.

If Moscow abandoned Christian morality, or submitted to the Pope, or denied the Trinity, or somesuch thing, than breaking communion from them may be justified. But from what I've seen, schismatic groups justify their decisions over things far less egregious than St. Athanasius in the Arian controvesry, or the Iconodules during the Iconoclastic eras faced - yet they did not schism from the Church as a whole. There is a tremendous burden of proof required to justify schism, and I don't think these groups have met it. They would be better off in communion with the Church pushing back against ecumenism, or the new calendar, or other such issues. Hopefully in the future things can be patched up with some of these groups (Holy Transfiguration Monastery in Boston would be especially great to have back in communion, given the high quality of their liturgical publications and iconography) and they'll return to communion with the Church as a whole.
 

lutak

 
Banned
And while Fr. Seraphim Rose was part of the ROCOR church it was not in communion with the Moscow Partiarchate it's only after the older bishops passed away that they communed with the MP in 2007. But the Moscow partiarchate was involved heavily in persecuting the catacomb church and and the new martyrs of russia. It was used by the soviet regime to show the world they had freedom of religion but also to arrest people after confession etc. In reality the Soviet government should be better thought of as an anti Christ power as would many of the ruling elites and governments of today. The new martyrs did not die for nothing and the Moscow partiarchate role in what happened should not be forgotten especially while the MP refuses to denounce the heresy of sergianism.
 
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