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Pelican
Orthodox
Gold Member
I don't believe in denominations.

Translation: You're a fundamentalist baptist.

Wow it's really the 'Pastor Jim vs Constantine and his goons' meme in real life. And the atheist horus nonsense too.

Weird how much the warped protestant view of history lines up with that of cringe internet atheists.

It's because atheism and the rationalistic humanism from which it descends is the logical endpoint of protestant epistemology. "I read the Bible and decide what it means myself" leads to "I am the arbiter of truth," leads to "I don't believe in God, I worship myself." It is the fruit of the self-centered individual at the truth of all things. That is why the trend over the past 400+ years has been protestantism liberalizing and splitting, with the conservative contingent clinging halfway down the slippery slope and denying (or unaware) that it exists.

The reason why God established a Church instead of having St. Paul pass out King James Bibles on his missionary journeys was precisely to avoid this sort of thing.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
People like Soto are all mouth and no ears; they don’t know what they’re talking about and they refuse to learn, but that doesn’t stop them from sharing their opinion on a topic they don’t understand. Soto, I bet you’d get a better response if you approached the topic from a standpoint of humble inquiry - asking what certain things mean or why we do them - rather than passing judgment as if your ignorance counts for something or matters to us.

The spirit of democracy has infected Western Christianity rather badly: “I have an opinion, and it counts as much as anyone else’s!” The reality is that ignorance is not equal to understanding, and the bridge from the former to the latter is built by humility and charity.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I will now demonstrate the "house of sand" that is Protestantism with one simple question:

Soto - Justify your belief in the Bible's authority without either circular reasoning ("the Word of God is authoritative because it's the Word of God") or appeal to interior experience ("the Word of God is authoritative because I just know somehow").

He won't be able to, because Protestants have no real answer for why they believe the Bible is authoritative in the first place.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
Orthodox
I will now demonstrate the "house of sand" that is Protestantism with one simple question:

Soto - Justify your belief in the Bible's authority without either circular reasoning ("the Word of God is authoritative because it's the Word of God") or appeal to interior experience ("the Word of God is authoritative because I just know somehow").

He won't be able to, because Protestants have no real answer for why they believe the Bible is authoritative in the first place.
Kinda hard to rationalize solo scriptura because institutions and churches are flaw yet those exact words are not explicitly found anywhere directly in The Bible, and was also compiled by men. Almost as if it violates the principle of non-contradiction. But hey potato.
 

Cartographer

 
Banned
Gold Member
I will now demonstrate the "house of sand" that is Protestantism with one simple question:

Soto - Justify your belief in the Bible's authority without either circular reasoning ("the Word of God is authoritative because it's the Word of God") or appeal to interior experience ("the Word of God is authoritative because I just know somehow").

He won't be able to, because Protestants have no real answer for why they believe the Bible is authoritative in the first place.

I'm not the most knowledgeable about the Bible either but he could have mentioned:
There are hundreds of old Testament prophecies that point to Christ's coming
Historic records of the events in the Bible
God answers prayer
Demonic attacks on those who seek God (dreams, strange "coincidences")
The wisdom and guidance of the Bible follows natural law

Not all protestants are ignorant and spiritualistic about Christianity. Also SBC is essentially a country club for poor people. That said there's no denying protestant denominations are in serious decline and many members "identify as Christian". Although I think the Catholic Church and many Orthodox have trouble these days too.

 

Greg DB

Chicken
Putin said, “certain theoreticians [who] say that [Orthodox Christianity] is much closer to Islam than [Roman] Catholicism is.”
(link at the bottom of the post)

Both Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy profess the triune nature of God. Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy believe in the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy profess the divinity of Jesus Christ. Neither Catholicism nor Russian Orthodoxy regard Muhammed as a legitimate prophet.

Islam denies the crucifixion of Jesus (Quran 4:157), and by denying his crucifixion Jesus could not have risen from the dead. Therefore the resurrection of Jesus Christ is denied by Islam.
Islam teaches that those who believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ will go to hell (Quran 5:72).
Islam teaches that Jesus denies his own divinity (Quran 5:116).
Islam denies the Trinity (Quran 4:171)

QUESTION: What thoughts do you (Catholic and Orthodox reader) have in regard to the headline of the article below? ie Russian Orthodoxy being closer to Islam than Catholicism when the core teachings of both Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy (crucifixion, death, resurrection, and divinity of Christ) are denied by Islam.


<https://risu.ua/en/window-on-eurasia-putin-says-orthodoxy-closer-to-islam-than-catholicism-is_n43445>
 

NickK

 
Banned
Orthodox
Putin said, “certain theoreticians [who] say that [Orthodox Christianity] is much closer to Islam than [Roman] Catholicism is.”
(link at the bottom of the post)

Both Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy profess the triune nature of God. Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy believe in the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy profess the divinity of Jesus Christ. Neither Catholicism nor Russian Orthodoxy regard Muhammed as a legitimate prophet.

Islam denies the crucifixion of Jesus (Quran 4:157), and by denying his crucifixion Jesus could not have risen from the dead. Therefore the resurrection of Jesus Christ is denied by Islam.
Islam teaches that those who believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ will go to hell (Quran 5:72).
Islam teaches that Jesus denies his own divinity (Quran 5:116).
Islam denies the Trinity (Quran 4:171)

QUESTION: What thoughts do you (Catholic and Orthodox reader) have in regard to the headline of the article below? ie Russian Orthodoxy being closer to Islam than Catholicism when the core teachings of both Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy (crucifixion, death, resurrection, and divinity of Christ) are denied by Islam.


<https://risu.ua/en/window-on-eurasia-putin-says-orthodoxy-closer-to-islam-than-catholicism-is_n43445>
Putin is a politician not a theologian.
He said this because the Russian Federation has a sizeable mohammedan population (7%).
 

Muscovite

Robin
Orthodox
The Russian Orthodox Church is currently under tremendous pressure from a number of Western countries, primarily the United States, which set itself the goal of destroying the unity of world Orthodox Christianity, says Sergey Lavrov.

 

CaseyJones

 
Banned
I don't understand how someone who reads the Bible and believes in it can become an Orthodox Christian or a Roman Catholic.

So many Church Fathers go against what the Bible teaches.

The veneration (which verges on, and often becomes worship) of Mary is essentially blasphemy and anathema to what the Bible and Jesus himself repeats on multiple occasions in Scripture.

The same goes for Icon veneration.

I'm not against Icons if they help a person visualize and keep their faith, but to put them at the center of worship, with all the extraneous elements of these liturgical services that historically are a syncretism of paganism and Christianity is absurd.

The stained glass doesn't matter. The beards don't matter. The funny clothes and gold smothered churches don't matter.

Everything that Jesus himself detested is being replicated by Catholics and the Orthodox. A new set of Pharisees.
Hello Soto,

I believe you need to take a serious look into the history of the church in order to dissipate these perceived issues you are presenting. Many Protestants tend to just engage with the goof book and not the of the Church history. The church was ultimately founded under Peter by Jesus Christ himself. This has heavy implications as to what proceeded in the foundation of our faith. You should care to at least understand it.

As for the icons, we do not pray to the icons themselves : we ask them to intercede for us (pray for us unto the Lord).

Lastly, it appears some people are engaging you here under the auspice of “righteous” anger. Please don’t let that dissuade you from inquiry into Roman Catholicism and/or Orhtodoxy. At the same time, please temper your pride. The tone of your inquiry a rather hostile and easily provokes the anger of others.

God Bless.
 

Greg DB

Chicken
Putin is a politician not a theologian.
He said this because the Russian Federation has a sizeable mohammedan population (7%).
Does anyone know if the Russian Orthodox church is active in bringing the gospel to the Mohammedan’s within Russia’s borders?

From the story below, it seems like Orthodox Russia is more interested in preventing the spread of a faith that professes Christian doctrines (Catholicism) than preventing the spread of a religion (Islam) that commands its followers to kill Christians (Surrah 9:29), that denies fundamental Christian doctrine, and whose daily recited prayers tell its followers to not be like the Christians (Surrah 1:6-7).

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Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Does anyone know if the Russian Orthodox church is active in bringing the gospel to the Mohammedan’s within Russia’s borders?

From the story below, it seems like Orthodox Russia is more interested in preventing the spread of a faith that professes Christian doctrines (Catholicism) than preventing the spread of a religion (Islam) that commands its followers to kill Christians (Surrah 9:29), that denies fundamental Christian doctrine, and whose daily recited prayers tell its followers to not be like the Christians (Surrah 1:6-7).

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Yes, and a priest recently got martyred in 2009 for doing so.
 

josemiguel

Robin
Orthodox
Does anyone know if the Russian Orthodox church is active in bringing the gospel to the Mohammedan’s within Russia’s borders?

From the story below, it seems like Orthodox Russia is more interested in preventing the spread of a faith that professes Christian doctrines (Catholicism) than preventing the spread of a religion (Islam) that commands its followers to kill Christians (Surrah 9:29)
You realize multiple Popes have ordered crusades to genocide the Russians? Historically there are Russian saints that had to make peace with pagans and Muslims to focus on stopping Crusader armies hellbent on destroying Orthodoxy, eg St Alexander Nevsky.

Muslim invaders wanted jizya, Mongols wanted tribute, Popes wanted to damn their souls. They have their priorities straight given their history.

And yes, Orthodox engage in apologetics with the Imams in Russia openly. Fruit is being born from this, no one has converted Muslims like Russians, Spain being a close second.
 

Greg DB

Chicken
Yes, and a priest recently got martyred in 2009 for doing so.
You realize multiple Popes have ordered crusades to genocide the Russians? Historically there are Russian saints that had to make peace with pagans and Muslims to focus on stopping Crusader armies hellbent on destroying Orthodoxy, eg St Alexander Nevsky.

Muslim invaders wanted jizya, Mongols wanted tribute, Popes wanted to damn their souls. They have their priorities straight given their history.

And yes, Orthodox engage in apologetics with the Imams in Russia openly. Fruit is being born from this, no one has converted Muslims like Russians, Spain being a close second.
I sense hostility and defensiveness in this response. I was merely curious if there is evangelism toward the Russian muslims by the Russian Christians. If you have any reading material I would be interested in taking a look. Thank you kindly.
 

josemiguel

Robin
Orthodox
it seems like Orthodox Russia is more interested in preventing the spread of a faith that professes Christian doctrines (Catholicism) than preventing the spread of a religion (Islam) that commands its followers to kill Christians (Surrah 9:29), that denies fundamental Christian doctrine

I sense hostility and defensiveness in this response. I was merely curious if there is evangelism toward the Russian muslims by the Russian Christians. If you have any reading material I would be interested in taking a look. Thank you kindly.
Amusement at ignorance is neither hostile nor defensive. What is passive-aggressive is tone policing.

St Alexander Nevsky is a good place to start to understand the relationship Rome has had with Moscow. Likewise, from the Russian view, Rome denies fundamental Christian doctrine. If someone comes polluting the Truth in your house with lies, it is a father's and king's duty to eject the unwelcome guest.
 
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