RVF survival working group

[RatInTheWoods]

I am an old guy and used to use BBS type service in the old days before the internet....

The tech was very simple, and I think it would be adaptable easily to fit modern day technology.

My idea is that users/subscribers get emailed the updates to each forum in zipped, encrypted emails which a local client upacks and recreates the identical display to the current forum.
Edits and new posts are done "offline" in the client and emailed as a batch by each user zipped and encrypted to a central location where they are put together by the host software and posted out the next day.

You could lower the refresh cycle to hourly or make it user configurable, not live, but still works the way most users want it to.

Its not hosted, can't be shut down and is all encrypted and secure. Internet providers don't even know what they are hosting or transmitting.

It wouldn't take more than a few days to set up this software and system.

Anyone see downsides to this?

 

[Valentine]

Figure out a way to back up this forum every day, Roosh. The first backup will probably be huge. Then just do incremental backups. I am sorry I don't have any recommendations.

Just make sure that you have offline access to the database backups just in case your web host goes rogue and starts deleting stuff at the request of some SJW. Roosh, please make sure you're backing up RVF and ROK frequently to some type of offline backup that your I.T. personnel do NOT have access to. Chain of custody matters when it comes to backups!

I'm sure he already has a cluster for redundancy, from there you can have one of the servers do incremental backups to a different server.

For offline copies it depends on whether you have a person who can run a home server for you and physically swap out hard drives or if you have to rely on one of the major service providers and their cold storage options.

I am an old guy and used to use BBS type service in the old days before the internet....

The tech was very simple, and I think it would be adaptable easily to fit modern day technology.

My idea is that users/subscribers get emailed the updates to each forum in zipped, encrypted emails which a local client upacks and recreates the identical display to the current forum.
Edits and new posts are done "offline" in the client and emailed as a batch by each user zipped and encrypted to a central location where they are put together by the host software and posted out the next day.

You could lower the refresh cycle to hourly or make it user configurable, not live, but still works the way most users want it to.

Its not hosted, can't be shut down and is all encrypted and secure. Internet providers don't even know what they are hosting or transmitting.

It wouldn't take more than a few days to set up this software and system.

Anyone see downsides to this?

The metadata trail with email is huge. It's like sending a text message or a postcard - the government and many service providers would immediately know who is a user. With a dApp there can be I2P/Tor integration for full anonymity.

It's also far easier to prevent emails from reaching the user since the sender is centralised rather than decentralised. It could be through labeling all the emails as spam, having them silently fail or kicking the sender off the main SMTP provider platforms. There's only a handful of major email sending companies, once you're off those email delivery can become much harder.

In this instance new tech is superior to old tech as it's basically impossible to censor access to a blockchain.

 

[polar]

More than anything, I am concerned with losing contact with members that I want to connect with in the future but have had no reason to yet.

Why wait? Connect today.

 

[John Michael Kane]

When I want to connect with a member, I send them a private message and exchange Skype, Telegram, Viber, etc. info. Then I delete my private message I sent them, and empty the forum trash folder for messages. I also instruct the recipient to do likewise. This helps prevent doxxing in case RVF is ever hacked. You can protect your information while still forging good male friendships.

 

[Dusty]

Once you're targeted for a shut down, certain groups like the SPLC or ADL will work with the domain authority ICANN to prevent you from coming back up.

Actual photo of the ADL on the phone with ICANN:

 

[Roosh]

Depends on your contacts and experience working with developers firstly, but I'd first estimate $80k/year for a full-time developer with the needed skills (experience in Solidity/Javascript/DB design/API development etc) if going for an Ethereum dApp developer.

This mainly depends on whether an Ethereum dApp or non-Ethereum dApp will be used, and which blockchain will be used as a foundation.

The target amount also depends on whether you have additional employees e.g. technical leads, project managers, digital marketers etc to ensure project success or if there's any other funding goals that the ICO is to be used for.

That would be an all-encompassing job. I'd go from writer to blockchain project manager. Unless it's mostly a out-of-the-box solution, I think it will take too much work.

So far Tor is the best option. All it requires is for me to find a host.

 

[Mess O.]

I'd be willing to make a cash donation toward whatever operation is decided upon. The RVF must live on.

 

[WilliamDoor]

For those not aware of some of the tech terms (such as TOR, I2P, etc...) this link may help - https://www.privacytools.io/#darknets

To keep in touch with other men here, might need to run your own style fag-book - https://www.privacytools.io/#social

Take steps today to guard your ID with all the links in my sig.

 

[scrambled]

Amazing how corrupt the system is when guys on some forum talking about which beach bar is best in some South Brazil town for drinks and ratio, is on the target list for censorship.

 

[Silver_Tube]

nntpchan is a 4chan like image board hosted on i2p and tor, it is open source

a couple of posts mentioned distributing archive copies, the suckless.org wiki works this way, but you'd need a better replication scheme than github

 

[kinjutsu]

I think Tor is the best option going forward.

Also make sure 100000% the host doesn't condone/accept/deal with ANY of the illegal child content on the darkweb.

 

[Kalkin]

Good thread. Lots of good points.

I understand the concept of distributed databases and disintermediation, but I don't understand how to make connections without tipping the wrong bots/algorithms off. It seems to me that there is a dangerous asymmetry: they recognize us, we don't necessarily recognize them, and we don't recognize each other unless we do something that triggers unwanted attention that opens us up to sanctions.

Technology will help keep transactions anonymous and prevent 3rd party gatekeeping, but it's not clear to me how to make the offer for the transaction, that doesn't tip off a hostile bot. It seems to me that we need to be able to make very anonymous public offers that are hard to remove from public awareness.

Does that make sense?

The Chinese have some long-term experience with these issues; that was part of the conversation we started with Roosh. Public/private divisions are how they are able to maintain businesses domestically and overseas in cities run by hostile outgroup mafias. It's cultural but they do adopt high-tech and might have parallel practices online in the virtual world (I dunno--I'm an out-group member, just observant).

Aside from technology, at least part of the solution is doubtlessly cultural. Americans & Europeans trust big corporations and gov't with their data but won't do business with their brother-in-law.

 

[polar]

I think a big part of survival and growth is relatively simple: present RVF and ROK to the public as a sorts of men's social club, a locker room environment - minus the tight speedos (you too, Stalin).

The media will malign RVF no matter what, but it should result in more favorable reception by those with an IQ. A lot of discussions here go perhaps too far in the direction of "let's change the world," and emphasizing that we are a social club (internally and externally) should allay some of that. At the end of the day, we're not plotting revolutions, attacks, or even demonstrations. None of us are anonymous, and moving to fancy technology while keeping the same membership does not eliminate the risks of doxxing and the such.

The one common factor uniting guys on the forum is our love for pussy, good booze, and good times in like-minded company - so let's keep that going.

 

[YoungBlade]

Obviously our back up should be the neopets forums.

 

[felix_vagabondo]

Roosh make an APP!!!

Wait, on second thought, Roosh is too busy Red Pilling and turning cucks into men to get into the nitty gritty of blockchain project management.

Oh well... could have been awesome.

I can see it now:

RooshApp(TM)

People already are accustomed to downloading apps.

And on the back-end you can route it through whatever crazy-ass cyber trap-door that you need to.

The app could be a two-in-one bitcoin wallet with the forum and blog interface in the same app.

Most users probably wouldn't even realize they're hosting the database on their device.

[...]What are the minimum requirements for our free speech platform?

[*]Provide a platform for two starter apps: a blog like Wordpress and a community forum

[...]I think we can create a solution for this dark period of history where our speech is being actively targeted.

If all it would take to have a censorship-free place to host and access content is installing an app or opening up a bitcoin wallet, you can count me in.

I would absolutely participate as a blogger, commenter, and blockchain peer.

It makes me shudder to think that all of these tens or hundreds of thousands of RVF comments could suddenly disappear.

It would be re-assuring to know that somebody trusted was writing all of this to a private server, but I guess that costs money.

But Roosh is de-platformed from Capitalism USA...

And he'd never sell out to any kind of wealthy benefactor that would supply cash but keep him on a short leash.

As they say...

for dust you are
and to dust you will return.

Genesis 3:19

Time for an IRL situation. Maybe a residential compound in a bugout region, like Afghanistan or something, combined with an urban institute in Poland for the study of pickup and Red Pill dogma.

We could funnel chicks out to the bugout zone and survive the apocalypse in our little life-raft.