Sacre Bleu! Fines and prison for using "too thin" models in France

[turkishcandy]

BMI is percentage of fat in the body right?

so if a 100 pound woman has 17 BMI, thats a whole 7 kilos of pure lard in her body.

How is more than that "unhealthy"?

Why do they consider a full 1/5 of your body made out of Crisco Shortening "healthy"? Under whose standards?

BMI is not percentage of fat. Body Mass Index is your weight divided by your height.

It's problematic because it doesn't take into account whether you have muscles or fat, heavy bones or light bones. 2 girls with the same BMI can look the opposite if one of them works out every day and the other one never works out. Therefore, a fit girl and a chubby girl can have the same BMI and that's why the acceptable BMI levels are too high for our eyes' sake. Plus, according to World Health Organization every girl who isn't chubby is ''unhealthy'' as shown in the picture above. I don't know what exactly they mean by ''healthy'', but it's probably something about how well equipped a girl is to wrestle with you.

Fat percentage, on the other hand, defines how stiff or wiggly your body is (can't find the right word for that). Girls who work out and girls who are just naturally thin can have different BMIs but same fat percentage, which makes sense because they all look attractive and healthy. But fatties can't cheat on fat percentage. That's why I believe body fat percentage can be an objective marker of how attractive a girl's body is. If it's too low, she is either ripped like a man or bony like a skeleton, which are both unattractive. If it's between 15 and 25, she's at healthy weight. If it's more than that, she needs to either lose weight or work out to burn that fat.

 

[turkishcandy]

So the law passed and the minimum acceptable BMI level, the one they chose to hide for all this time, is 18. Just so we are clear, below are photos of girls with BMI lower than 18 and therefore are ILLEGAL to hire now in France.

(Adrianna Lima [BMI of 17.6], Candice Swanepoel [BMI of 17.7] and Alessandro Ambrosio [BMI of 16.3])

17.9

17.1

 

[Kieran]

Despicable. Fucking with some of these young girl's livelihoods just to protect fat girls feelings.

I wonder if this will result in many labels no longer showing in Paris. It's hard to imagine some designers working with models with BMI over 18.

 

[Libertas]

Didn't they say just the lower house of parliament passed it? I'm a bit confused. How does the legislative process work in France? Pretty frightening how fast it went through though, and telling that they didn't put a cap on an upper BMI limit. But that might anger fatties.

I do think the French fashion industry will somehow defeat this (fashion is BIG business over there, one of France's most important industries), but still, this is a wake up call.

 

[PhDre]

Accidentally, I found a similar chart with the Boner Movement Index on my computer:

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[Basil Ransom]

Relevant (from ROK):

For a girl that is naturally small boned, and has not put on muscle from athletic training, a 17 BMI is not low at all. But that's now illegal.

BMI as a tool to assess individuals is absolute pseudoscience. Especially when those individuals are physically exceptional by definition, as runway models are. It's a testament to the piss poor quality of conventional nutritional guidelines. I would challenge these hucksters to show any proof that small boned women with 17 BMI are any less healthy than women with a 24-25 BMI, which is considered healthy by the authorities, but in actuality is quite fat on a woman who doesn't do serious resistance training.

It will be interesting to see how the industry responds. Will bigger framed models come to the fore? Will the currently skinny models put on some muscle in unobtrusive places (i.e. hips and ass)? That's a potential silver lining for the assmen among us.

One thing you can bet on: the models won't get fatter. Fat is a hallmark of the lower classes (it literally correlates with it), and runway fashion is a matter of seeming high status through appearance. Especially for a woman, looking haute is impossible when fat.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/health/obesity-rates-maybe-worse/

"Based on their findings, Braverman and his coauthor, New York State Commissioner of Health Nirav Shah, M.D., say the BMI threshold for obesity, which now stands at 30, should be lowered to 24 for women and 28 for men."

If you are going to regulate such matters, it would be better to set lower and upper bounds for acceptable BMI. But even that is silly, because muscle weight can make an obese BMI actually healthy. If you must regulate such matters, I'd propose an acceptable range of say 13-25% body fat percentage for women, and 7-15% for men (these are just rough numbers I'm tossing out). Using body fat percentages shuts down the "I'm big boned!" argument completely.

 

[TheFinalEpic]

The issue is that they are using BMI to discriminate models from the stage. Don't get me wrong, I've never found the heroin chic or anorexia sexy, but this is a limitation on what people are supposed to see as "attractive". BMI as stated before is a simple measurement of bodyweight divided by height, so for a 200 lb bodybuilder at 6ft and 7% bf, you're classified as "overweight". The same goes for an extremely tiny girl, I have a friend who is 5'3" and 105 lbs, and she is technically just underweight and wouldn't be able to walk a runway in France, although she's perfectly healthy, eats extremely well, but just doesn't have the bone structure to add weight.

Its a stupid law, and France will see its fashion industry shrink, because fashion models have bodies that make clothes look a certain way, and are contracted based on how they clothes fall on them. Some of these girls are anorexic, some of these girls are just naturally like this. It's skinny shaming in the purest form.

 

[philosophical_recovery]

So the law passed and the minimum acceptable BMI level, the one they chose to hide for all this time, is 18. Just so we are clear, below are photos of girls with BMI lower than 18 and therefore are ILLEGAL to hire now in France.

(Adrianna Lima [BMI of 17.6], Candice Swanepoel [BMI of 17.7] and Alessandro Ambrosio [BMI of 16.3])

17.9

17.1

I'd bang all of them raw. The mere thought of using a condom on any of these makes the spirits of my ancestors cry.

 

[kaotic]

Thought I'd bump this thread with a related Article with Brit taking offense:

Model in Gucci Ad Is Deemed ‘Unhealthily Thin’ by British Regulator

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/business/international/gucci-ad-unhealthily-thin-model.html?_r=0

LONDON — The model in the Gucci ad is young and waiflike, her frail body draped in a geometric-pattern dress as she leans back in front of a wall painted with a tree branch that appears to mimic the angle of her silhouette.

On Wednesday, the Advertising Standards Authority of Britain ruled that the ad was “irresponsible” and that the model looked “unhealthily thin,” fanning a perennial debate in the fashion industry over when thin is too thin.

The regulator said that the way the woman in the image had posed elongated her torso and accentuated her waist, so that it appeared to be very small. It said her “somber facial expression and dark makeup, particularly around her eyes, made her face look gaunt.” It said the offending image — a still photograph of the model that appeared in an online video posted on the website of The Times of London in December — should not appear again in its current form.

The specific image was removed from the video on Gucci’s YouTube channel, though the model still appears in the ad directed by Glen Luchford.

he Italian fashion brand, for its part, had defended the ad, saying it was part of a video that portrayed a dance party and that was aimed at an older and sophisticated audience. Nowhere in the ads were any models’ bones visible, it said, and they were all “toned and slim.” It noted that “it was, to some extent, a subjective issue as to whether a model looked unhealthily thin,” according to the authority.

 

[Troll King]

This shit is Orwellian. The good news is it is unlikely to get this bad here in the US.

 

[Benoit]

One look at that video is all you need to know for sure - the goal of women's fashion is not to make them appear attractive to heterosexual men.

 

[Giovonny]

I love France. I love the French; their "fuck you" attitude to just about everything has always appealed to me as a child of nanny-state Britain.

However, this is just ridiculous.

I am no poster boy for super-waif-like models, but this is exactly the kind of shit a government should not be wasting its time getting involved in (especially in a fiscally bankrupt country with race wars going on in its cities):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ban-on-ultra-skinny-models-from-catwalks.html

France considers ban on ultra-skinny models from catwalks

Socialist MP tables amendment introducing six-month prison term and €75,000 fine on agencies using models below a certain Body Mass Index

The French government on Monday backed parliamentary plans to introduce fines and prison sentences on anyone employing skinny, undernourished fashion models or who "glorify anorexia".

Olivier Véran, a Socialist MP, tabled two amendments to recent health reforms to punish those who promote the painfully thin as fashionable.

The first amendment would ban modelling agencies from using any "extremely thin young women whose weight could put them in danger".

It would oblige models to provide medical certificates showing their Body Mass Index, or BMI. Any agency that took on someone whose BMI was below an as yet unspecified minimum would face a maximum six-month prison term and a €75,000 (£54,000) fine.

"It's intolerable to promote malnutrition and to commercially exploit people who are endangering their own health," Mr Véran, a neurologist at the University Hospital of Grenoble, told Le Parisien newspaper.

The second amendment would make it a criminal offence to "glorify excessive skinniness" and create powers to shut down websites that "promote anorexia", such as "pro-ana" sites that encourage young women to be as thin as possible.

A host of websites claim to offer beauty tips to girls as young as 12, including starving themselves to create a 15cm "thigh gap".

Marisol Touraine, the health minister, on Monday said she backed the amendments. "When you are a model, you must eat and take care of your health. This is an important message to young girls, girls who see in these models an aesthetic ideal. This is a good way to proceed."

Mr Véran said that up to 40,000 people in France are suffering from anorexia, around 90 per cent of whom are adolescents.

France's burgeoning fashion industry has often been criticised for promoting wafer-thin models.

The issue came to the fore in 2013 when star Chanel designer Karl Lagerfeld wrote a book in which he lauded thinness after losing 42 kilos (eight and a half stone) himself.

"No one wants to see curvy women on the catwalk", he wrote in The World According to Karl.

He also said France's health care system was struggling partly because of "all the illnesses contracted by people who are too fat".

"It's the fat women sitting in front of televisions with their pack of crisps who say slim models are hideous", he is quoted as saying.

Pretty, Curvy, Sexy and Fine With It, a French association that fights for the rights of curvy women, sued him for "defamatory and discriminatory comments".

I see no mention of an upper BMI limit for models?


Now, on the subject of Karl Lagerfeld; he may be gay, but to me, he's one cool dude.

Some Karl quotes:

No one wants to see curvy women

Yes, some people say to me you're too skinny, but never a skinny person says that to me, only people who could lose a few pounds say that.

The brain is a muscle, and I'm a kind of body-builder.

What I hate is nasty, ugly people

I think tattoos are horrible. It's like living in a Pucci dress full-time.

I don't care if people I admire criticize me because their opinion is valuable to me.

I am never satisfied with myself and that is what keeps me going - I have no post-satisfaction.

Work is making a living out of being bored

It would have been difficult to have an ugly daughter.

I can do whatever I want.

I am like a TV antenna. I catch everything that is in the air, and then I do it my way

There are less than 1 per cent of anorexic girls, but there more than 30 per cent of girls in France - I don't know about England - that are much, much overweight. And it is much more dangerous and very bad for the health.

I'm always relaxed.

I like the discipline of well-cut, impeccable clothes. I think it's a very healthy discipline.

 

[Delta]

5 lbs underweight- "OMG this is so dangerous! We need to do something!"
150 lbs overweight- "Health comes in all sizes!"

 

[DarkTriad]

If people are dying from the diseases associated with obesity THOUSANDS of times more often than the diseases associated with anorexia, isn't this socially irresponsible? It's going to cost a lot of people their lives. And their toes. And their feet.

 

[philosophical_recovery]

One look at that video is all you need to know for sure - the goal of women's fashion is not to make them appear attractive to heterosexual men.

Agreed.

Sad.

Just compare to one of my favorite, obscure-to-Americans-French-Film, La Piscine:



Distinct masculinity. Distinct femininity. Gorgeous. Charged with desire and action.

That Gucci video is a Kafkaesque, androgynous horror. Everyone in that looks sick, both mentally and physically. Men and women somehow both manage to be faggots, in la danse macabre. No desire. No focus. No passion. Just gyrating, aimlessly, until they whither away as demented automatons.

Everyone in La Piscine looks like a model of health in comparison. Murderous passion, romance, lust, rage. Yet, human in the extreme form.