Secret Feminism Among Christian Women

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
My current wife (age 50) is this - Catholic and feminist. Very sad and frustrating. Its the result of a blue state upbringing compounded by excessive education (BA and Masters from a time-early nineties- where this wasn't common) factored by my own blue billed beta-ness and weakness/failures as a man, husband and father.
I'd be happy to try to help you improve this, and others here would probably be willing to help as well. If you want, can you give us more details?
 

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
Thanks. I'd prefer to not make it public. It suffices to say that I know it starts -and ends - with me. I am working on it. But Iv'e got to undo 20 plus years of fucking it up.
If there's any general advice you need that doesn't require giving details, you can always ask. I hope for the best.
 

bucky

Pelican
My current wife (age 50) is this - Catholic and feminist. Very sad and frustrating. Its the result of a blue state upbringing compounded by excessive education (BA and Masters from a time-early nineties- where this wasn't common) factored by my own blue billed beta-ness and weakness/failures as a man, husband and father. Notwithstanding, because of her faith, she otherwise lives as a trad wife (4 homeschooled kids - stay at home mom). Because she holds me in such contempt, she views other men as even lower and takes delight in their destruction and sides with women, even shitty evil single mom types..
I'm married to a devout Catholic from Latin America. Since moving back to the US and attending church with her, from what I've seen it looks like the RCC here is absolutely infested with SJWs. We're as likely to get a "sermon" on the evils of racism or on "immigration reform" (i.e. the right of the entire population of Mexico and Central America to come to the US) as we are anything actually biblical. It's to the point that I suspect the Catholic church is one of the major entities responsible for slowly destroying the country and turning it into a third world failed state like the places most of its active members seem to come from.
 

acco

Woodpecker
I'm married to a devout Catholic from Latin America. Since moving back to the US and attending church with her, from what I've seen it looks like the RCC here is absolutely infested with SJWs. We're as likely to get a "sermon" on the evils of racism or on "immigration reform" (i.e. the right of the entire population of Mexico and Central America to come to the US) as we are anything actually biblical. It's to the point that I suspect the Catholic church is one of the major entities responsible for slowly destroying the country and turning it into a third world failed state like the places most of its active members seem to come from.
What does that say? Go orthodox before the cath. church turns your wife wired.

The cath. church in Germany stands with immigration since the recent years,
so for those of you still paying church tax should consinder to do it not anymore.
 

bucky

Pelican
What does that say? Go orthodox before the cath. church turns your wife wired.

The cath. church in Germany stands with immigration since the recent years,
so for those of you still paying church tax should consinder to do it not anymore.
I know Orthodoxy is the "hot" religion in the manosphere at the moment, and I'll concede that it has a lot going for it. That said, I'm not a Greek, Slav, Arab, or any of the other ethnicities that the various Orthodox churches are specifically tailored to. As a heritage American of Anglo-Saxon descent, I'd be more likely to become Catholic, because while I don't really consider it an American religion either, it's at least not entirely alien like Orthodoxy. Still pretty unlikely for me though, since I'm not Irish, Italian, Latin American, or any of the other ethnicities that seem best suited to Catholicism.
 
I know Orthodoxy is the "hot" religion in the manosphere at the moment, and I'll concede that it has a lot going for it. That said, I'm not a Greek, Slav, Arab, or any of the other ethnicities that the various Orthodox churches are specifically tailored to. As a heritage American of Anglo-Saxon descent, I'd be more likely to become Catholic, because while I don't really consider it an American religion either, it's at least not entirely alien like Orthodoxy. Still pretty unlikely for me though, since I'm not Irish, Italian, Latin American, or any of the other ethnicities that seem best suited to Catholicism.
Religion is not about ethnicity, it is about truth. The question is not "which religion suits my ethnicity?" it is "which religion is objectively true?".
 

bucky

Pelican
Religion is not about ethnicity, it is about truth. The question is not "which religion suits my ethnicity?" it is "which religion is objectively true?".
I see the logic, but I've come to disagree. I think the proper religion for an individual largely comes down to ethnicity. I can look at, for example, the explicitly Armenian church that Roosh attends and see the good fruits and that it is of God. In my opinion it does not follow that I need to join a church for Armenians. Or Greeks, Russians, people of the Levant, etc. It gets a little less clear with Catholicism. Catholics will tell you their church is for everyone, but I attend mass with my wife and much of it is as alien to me as it would have been to my waspy ancestors. The fruits are good, but not for me.
 

Aboulia

Sparrow
I know Orthodoxy is the "hot" religion in the manosphere at the moment, and I'll concede that it has a lot going for it. That said, I'm not a Greek, Slav, Arab, or any of the other ethnicities that the various Orthodox churches are specifically tailored to. As a heritage American of Anglo-Saxon descent, I'd be more likely to become Catholic, because while I don't really consider it an American religion either, it's at least not entirely alien like Orthodoxy. Still pretty unlikely for me though, since I'm not Irish, Italian, Latin American, or any of the other ethnicities that seem best suited to Catholicism.
Orthodoxy isn't alien to the English at all. It's what it was prior to the papal approved invasion by the Normans in 1066. Irish is not naturally Roman Catholic either, a papal bull was written expressly granting permission to invade Ireland and reform her church, to make it align with Gregorian practice.

 

bucky

Pelican
Orthodoxy isn't alien to the English at all. It's what it was prior to the papal approved invasion by the Normans in 1066. Irish is not naturally Roman Catholic either, a papal bull was written expressly granting permission to invade Ireland and reform her church, to make it align with Gregorian practice.

You're really grasping at straws there for England, even more so for heritage America. Unless there's an English Orthodox Church I'm unaware of. I see what you're trying to say, but it really only works as a circular argument: Orthodoxy is the only true Christianity, so therefore of course the English were Orthodox until they were corrupted by those dastardly Catholics.
 

HermeticAlly

Kingfisher
I've had some of the same thoughts Bucky, being of similar background to you; but I find Orthodoxy interesting on its own theological merit regardless of ethnic connection. Then again I'm no stranger to immersion in foreign cultures, having spent years in Japan, so the culture gap is a step rather than a massive leap.

I thought for a moment about maybe trying to find something Anglican, and then I remembered that the Episcopal church is maybe the most cucked church on the face of the entire planet. There is a Western Rite Orthodox parish near me, which is essentially Orthodoxy with an Anglican-like liturgy (I think this one started with refugees from an Anglican parish upset with the leftward spiral of that church.) That could be an interesting "solution"; however, these are quite rare so there may not be one near you.

Based on some of your other posts, it sounds like SSPX or other trad-Catholic might be ideal for your situation.
 

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
I don't know if this representative of Christian women in general, or just Christian women on Reddit.

Double standards around sex: the purest example of the feminization of Christianity
Posted on June 9, 2020 by Deep Strength

From Reddit’s sub “Christian Marriage.”
Women, please don’t deny your husbands — 0 upvotes, 50% upvoted
Here’s the post:
Sex for a husband is so essential. Please don’t undermine how important that is to a husband who desires his wife, but doesn’t get any romance. Keep your marriage alive!
And of course, the top few answers:
  • My husband is compassionate about my medical problems. Sex is not all we have and it’s not the most essential. Our love and relationship are much deeper.
  • Sorry but this is not great advice. I was told by a female Christian counselor that “under no circumstances should a Christian wife ever say no to her husband for sex”. So as much as I thought that was some bogus, 18th Century, misogynist advice, I tried it. I did it whenever he wanted with a good attitude. My husband still cheated on me multiple times and watched porn despite having sex with me multiple times a week. Don’t make women feel it’s THEIR DUTY to keep the husband happy. Are you kidding me? This is actually some “wisdom” people are giving out on a Christian sub? Maybe instead the advice should be that both the husband and wife need to focus on other aspects of intimacy so the wife wants to have sex. Some women experience pain, have trauma, don’t feel valued and loved. Why should a woman do this out of OBLIGATION? It should be done out of desire to bring her and her husband closer and same with the husband. Please check your heart and the Bible before spewing this rhetoric.
  • This is definitely true! But also, men, do not forget that you hold part of the key yourselves. Make sure that you act as a man worthy of respect and desire, that you take care of yourself and that you treat her with love and care. No woman wants to have sex with Homer Simpson.
  • One of the hallmarks of being a good husband (or wife, for that matter) is not treating sex as something you are entitled to. Just saying.
Literally a list of excuses why women shouldn’t have sex with their husbands. You know, the one they agreed to “have and to hold.”

Then someone was smart enough to post the opposite one.

Men please don’t deny your wives — 123 upvotes, 100% upvoted
The same exact post but substituted husbands for wives.

Let’s look at the comments.
  • Is this because of the recent post for wives to not deny their husbands? Lol. Both statements are true and need to be heard. I understand that some partners have lower libidos, but the rejection is very painful for the partner being denied. This does a lot of damage in a marriage. Unfortunately, I have found that talking about sex is a little taboo in the Christian community. My husband is still uncomfortable talking about sex, and we’ve been married for 8 years, together for 11.
  • First step, men – stop looking at porn.
  • Amen!
  • Thank you; I needed this. We’ve got a Cold War in our home right now. I’m trying to remain strong, but temptation is ever-present.
  • If you insist
  • This is very important. I went through a depression period. I stopped paying attention to my wife and now I’m paying for it. It’s not her fault, but mine. She did everything – even dyed her hair blonde (although I never asked) so I would notice her. I was too preoccupied with myself to even notice she was looking for attention. We are still together and working on things, but it’s hard. I appreciate any prayers my way. But men – take note of this!
Men being told to stop looking at porn, and men owning up to denying their wives.
Can’t make this stuff up. Literally the same command to both the husbands and the wives to have sex with each other but two drastically different responses from “Christians.”
 

Aboulia

Sparrow
You're really grasping at straws there for England, even more so for heritage America. Unless there's an English Orthodox Church I'm unaware of. I see what you're trying to say, but it really only works as a circular argument: Orthodoxy is the only true Christianity, so therefore of course the English were Orthodox until they were corrupted by those dastardly Catholics.
No, I'm not at all. Truth is not partisan, sometimes the Romans were in the right, and Byzantium was wrong, like during the life of St Maximus the Confessor. Outside of various times when one side was in error, they were largely the same Church for the first millennium. So it's right to say Orthodoxy is not alien to England.

England was certainly Roman Catholic from 1066 until King Henry VIII, As for an English Orthodox Church, there would have definitely been an English liturgy, for the main missionary activity for Orthodoxy is good works, and to translate service books into the local language, since understanding the faith is of utmost importance, but what remains of it, I don't know how thorough the Roman Catholics would have been, never really been a pressing question to me since the liturgy I attend is entirely in English, even though it's a Greek Orthodox Church.

I never said anything about America. I know of Orthodox presence in Alaska, but not America outside of one person asking to bring communion across the Atlantic in the 1700s.
 

bucky

Pelican
No, I'm not at all. Truth is not partisan, sometimes the Romans were in the right, and Byzantium was wrong, like during the life of St Maximus the Confessor. Outside of various times when one side was in error, they were largely the same Church for the first millennium. So it's right to say Orthodoxy is not alien to England.

England was certainly Roman Catholic from 1066 until King Henry VIII, As for an English Orthodox Church, there would have definitely been an English liturgy, for the main missionary activity for Orthodoxy is good works, and to translate service books into the local language, since understanding the faith is of utmost importance, but what remains of it, I don't know how thorough the Roman Catholics would have been, never really been a pressing question to me since the liturgy I attend is entirely in English, even though it's a Greek Orthodox Church.

I never said anything about America. I know of Orthodox presence in Alaska, but not America outside of one person asking to bring communion across the Atlantic in the 1700s.
Then let's say you are a very smart man indeed to have been the first to have noticed that England used to be Orthodox.
 

KingDavid

Sparrow
I've had some of the same thoughts Bucky, being of similar background to you; but I find Orthodoxy interesting on its own theological merit regardless of ethnic connection. Then again I'm no stranger to immersion in foreign cultures, having spent years in Japan, so the culture gap is a step rather than a massive leap.

I thought for a moment about maybe trying to find something Anglican, and then I remembered that the Episcopal church is maybe the most cucked church on the face of the entire planet. There is a Western Rite Orthodox parish near me, which is essentially Orthodoxy with an Anglican-like liturgy (I think this one started with refugees from an Anglican parish upset with the leftward spiral of that church.) That could be an interesting "solution"; however, these are quite rare so there may not be one near you.

Based on some of your other posts, it sounds like SSPX or other trad-Catholic might be ideal for your situation.
All of Europe was at one time Catholic, until the rebellious nature of the English and Germans drove it away. Despite of all that Catholicism is strong in Germany today, much stronger than Lutheranism, and the best Englishmen are Catholic as well - remaining loyal even though it was socially disadvantageous for many centuries.

If you're Western the Catholic faith is the only faith. Greeks, Slavs, and Middle Easterners are those suited for Orthodoxy, and truly none for the Protestant religions which are sure to become endangered before long if not already.
 
It is a mistake to be looking to any church as the ultimate authority. There is one objective standard for all instruction in righteousness - God's Word.

To say it plainly: what the Bible states is what matters.

And before anyone says, "it's all in how you interpret it" I'll say that we should all interpret it one way - normally. This means we interpret it literally when the passage is literal. When the passage involves a prophecy, we seek to understand it as such. When the passage contains a parable - take it as such.

With the exception of very few "hard to understand" portions, most people are capable of reading the Book and grasping the message. The problem lies in not reading it.

But if a person will take the time to simply read what God says, they will have the truth. And once a person knows the truth of God's Word, they either accept it or reject it.

Our desire should be to know and accept the Truth.
 
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