Self help gurus urging men to stay single in their twenties

Mercury

Pigeon
Catholic
And there´s one thing I want to add, based on my experiences. I don´t want to discuss casual sex, since it´s forbidden on this forum, but I will use it as an argument for this topic.
To my friends, I always used to say - if you want to have the highest chance to get laid, date foreign girls (to be honest, going out with foreign girl from Tinder used to be almost instant ONS for me). I live in faithless country, where the most of the people are atheists and there are incredibly low moral standarts. And I came to conclusion, that environment is what make girls bad, not their background. Girls living in traditional societies are not that spoiled, because society punish them for their bad behaviour. And once they get into environment, where there´s no punishment for whatever they do, they lose their inhibitions.
I have met girls even from much more traditional countries, from very religiously strict backgrounds and once they got into liberal envionment like this, they became different persons. Back their in their home countries somewhere in xxx-stan, their families (and especially their alpha male fathers) think, that they are still virgins. But here, you can do whatever you want to them, as long as their daddy won´t find out.

Why there are so many onlyfans girls now? Because society don´t punish them and label them as a prostitutes, even though they are.
It has been stressed out in this thread for many times - girls just FOLLOW. And they also follow what their environment demands. Generally, it´s not woman´s moral, but society moral, what leads them.
You have to be extremely strong authority to make girl follow you and (or) God without slipping to society low standarts. Or you can start a family in muslim country, where bad behaviour is still punished.
I lived adjacent to your faithless country for several years. I know exactly which country you are speaking of. ;)

A couple of thoughts. Even in faithless Western countries in agnostic Europe I found eligible trad type women if you knew where to look. Obviously Im going to focus on Catholic type girls since that is my faith.

Major Catholic shrines seem to fill pretty well on their masses.
TLM Churches do well and have a younger population.
Immigrant Churches (like Spanish Mass) are younger than trad churches, noticed some single women there.
Catholic Match is a fairly decent place to look, but you have a number of reformed (and not so reformed) women that have baggage.

Mainstream Novus Ordo Catholic churches in Germany, France and Belgium are probably not places you want to look. The average age is close to 70. There are a handful of single women you see every once in a while, but they are likely to have Globohomo beliefs that trump their religious ones.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Yes men are often more mature/wealthy/experienced as we age, but lots of the HQ women will be married or aren't exactly down to marry a dude 10+ years older than them.
The larger problem is that HQ women are at a nadir, no matter which characteristic you are looking at. One problem, or solution, just presents another without a good culture, as has been pointed out.

Imagine if we could take our based informed minds and apply it to being 20 again. We need to inform our younger Christian brothers how to be red-pilled, find a quality woman, and marry earlier rather than later.
I think about this all the time. It didn't matter when no one raises their daughter to be quality OR be married in her 20s. Some of this depended on what region I was in and my orthodox background, but I was always going to be a 1% and then some yet it still didn't matter. Sorry that this is black pill, but it's actually just the truth.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
The biggest thing in the years you referenced is the lack of social stratification. Most men and women in their early 20s, at least in western culture, are typically working in low skill or entry level jobs and/or attending college courses. Dismissing men based on income and social class is harder at that age, because for the most part, everyone is still kind of working out their potential and are clustered heavily in the same general sort of middle class, extended state of youth (which for better or worse, has become a staple of the western middle class). Women are placing way more emphasis on potential at that age, versus outright proof. Once you get to your 30s, people are much or spread out in terms of the experience in their lives and the good or bad results of such.

If you are still living the life of a party bum or starving artist, you are entering "loser" status pretty quick in the eyes of women. Your charm offensive will increasingly need to be off the charts to compensate. Sure, younger women might have an eye for older men, but your ability to bond with them is highly diminished by then. You will mostly find them annoying for anything other than sex. Perpetual singledom is for secular Chads. If you have any ambition to have children, the longer you remain single as a man, the harder it is going to be to bond with a woman and frankly, put up with their BS.
I agree with this, but as I've stated, the non fatties or non uggos didn't care about potential, nearly ever. Anyone can marry an average woman any time he wants if he has many good characteristics, the problem is that you're setting yourself up for failure if you do. Better to just be a monk and not have to deal with their irrationality, as even a modern 4-5 would barely be your submissive wife in the way she should be.
 

Max'B

Chicken
Orthodox Catechumen
I will say, as a recent convert to Orthodoxy and a man in his early 30s...don't fall for the '30s is the new 20s' meme like I did. Yes, young men in general are at the bottom when it comes to societal respect, but your 20s are when you have the most potential energy to really do things. Furthermore, we develop certain baggage over time, which may become a larger hindrance for potential mates. As opposed to growing with your potential wife, helping each other to iron out each one's flaws. At least, that's my personal experience and I know that sounds idealistic these days.
 

Valentine

Kingfisher
Catholic
Gold Member
I dated many women when I was younger, and now in my early 30s I'm very fortunate to have met a girl a decade younger who is wife material. However, I would not recommend anybody to follow the same route as me. In your 30s there's far fewer opportunities to meet younger women, whereas before I was 23 I'd already met a half a dozen lovely women who I could have happily settled down with in hindsight if I had the conviction to see it through. If I hadn't met this girl then the next time I'd have met someone I clicked well enough with to consider seriously dating could have been still years in the future, and they'd likely be much older.

I too fell for the "30s is your prime as a man" meme and I can tell you some of the factors which are ignored here:
- Far more opportunities when younger to meet women from college and whilst socialising with your friends
- You're more focused on your career and other interests later in life
- No longer in your physical or mental prime
- Much lower interest in bars, clubs or other venues you'd previously met women at
 

Parmesan

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I dated many women when I was younger, and now in my early 30s I'm very fortunate to have met a girl a decade younger who is wife material. However, I would not recommend anybody to follow the same route as me. In your 30s there's far fewer opportunities to meet younger women, whereas before I was 23 I'd already met a half a dozen lovely women who I could have happily settled down with in hindsight if I had the conviction to see it through. If I hadn't met this girl then the next time I'd have met someone I clicked well enough with to consider seriously dating could have been still years in the future, and they'd likely be much older.

I too fell for the "30s is your prime as a man" meme and I can tell you some of the factors which are ignored here:
- Far more opportunities when younger to meet women from college and whilst socialising with your friends
- You're more focused on your career and other interests later in life
- No longer in your physical or mental prime
- Much lower interest in bars, clubs or other venues you'd previously met women at
Pretty much spot on. I’d say unless you are a Chad, you should be highly focused on finding a girl by 25. Ideally you’d be mated up by your early 20s, and then you can focus on career and wealth creation to support your family. If you are awkward and weak with women, you should really start addressing it as early as possible with a full time urgency. In a sane world men would have proper fathers to guide you through it. I hopelessly failed with women all through my 20s, and I’ve only recently come to the realization how damaging it is to your psyche over time.
 
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