TheOriginalSniggler said:
Yeah who needs pussy anyway when you can take care of plants right!?!
Share Of American Adults Having NO Sex Reaches All-Time High
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Yeah who needs pussy anyway when you can take care of plants right!?!
Atlanta Man said:
Yes, many are downright hostile. Media plays a part in pushing anti-male tropes, as well as feminism. Combine with endless validation and boosted egos women get from social media you have really bad narcissism coming from women and lack of empathy. View it from their perspective though, men are doing the worst ever compared to women, so women are thus calling the shots now more than ever.
As I've said before it starts in education and by the time a man makes it to college he's already at a statistical disadvantage... Much less the workforce with affirmative action policies (not needed for women) and gynocentric HR departments. Not to mention managers prefer women doing these mindless clerical/ deskjobs to men, and when it comes to service jobs, again, they prefer women.
I have a unique perspective here, I stopped gaming at age 14. I pick up a game if I'm with a friend who games, but that's it. I was very high achiving at that age, so it was fortunate I stopped. Meanwhile many of my average and above average friends went down the rabbit hole of gaming, which came to define both their future career academic prospects and their social lives. On both counts, gaming was seriously damaging to them. The worst thing you can have is a young adolescent male who is not properly socialized (not going to parties or having a GF b/c of video games), and is going nowhere in his life (because he is blowing off high school and college), because he decided to drift right around the age of 18. Games are damning to men, channeling their urges to win, feel part of a team, etc. into an outlet that yields almost 0 for them. It is hard to moderate your screentime once you start, thus it is very addictive, just like social media or porn.
Thersites
Kingfisher
Disco_Volante said:
To add on the pile on for young men is the problematic parenting/upbringing for many young men. Parents too busy/clueless to guide their sons, single motherhood, and helicopter/armored car parenting has produce young men with lack of sense, confidence, and ill adjusted to thrive in the real world. Add in the financial situation with student loans for many to god damn mess. I'm fucking one of those poor schmucks, but I'm too busy trying to get my life in order and get some type of career going.
SamuelBRoberts said:
The late 90s had an economy that was booming like nothing before, and were actually much more sex-friendly than now. No social justice or marxism yet, women were entering the workforce and also began to live with roommates, no rape witch hunts on college campuses, the AIDS scare of the early 90s was over, etc.
Of course, the same old rule applied: 80% of women were sleeping with 20% of men; but the dudes on the lower brackets still had more options for long term relationships and most women still wanted to get married by 30.
Now, with 30% of men having no sex at all, and women also having lower sex drives, I think that 90% of women are having sex with 10% of the guys.
And that 90% of women means women who actually want to have sex, which is a lower percentage due to women working longer hours in jobs, and obtaining their hormonal shot via their smartphone.
I've written a couple of times on what I believe is the main problem with the dating market and why everyone, but particularly men, are losing so badly.
On Linkedin, there are three settings that you can activate for privately job searching so that recruiters can contact accordingly:
1. "Actively Looking" . This will tell recruiters that you are looking for a job, and looking for it now. Most people using this setting are either out of work or unhappy with their current work.
2. "Passively Looking". This means that you are happy where you are at, but for a "Whoa" offer, you would leave your current role.
3. "Not Looking/Off" This turns off the feature and hides your name from recruiters who are looking for potential job seekers. They can still find you and message you, but your name won't be delivered to their inbox/screen.
Most young women are in bracket #2, "passively looking." There are some women in bracket #1, but much more in bracket #3. If a guy has a "Whoa" value prop, they'll engage in a relationship, but otherwise, they're happy being single. Most women are getting laid a couple times a month at most. Truth is, they are mostly satisfied without consistent men, chasing their career/education, having cocktails with their friends, soaking in the validation from their instagram selfies. The women in bracket #3, which there are plenty, don't give a shit about men at all, besides for the e-attention that they give and the occasional free drink at a bar.
Even on dating apps, where you'd think most women would be "Actively Looking," most of us can attest to how hard it is to get a girl out 1-4 times even if there's a conversation + number exchange + date. I usually text a girl for 2-3 weeks to get her out at first and then go into chase mode after that, constantly competing with her perpetually busy life. I shake my head at these women so many times, as a guy who has a lots of value, as they are possibly ignoring their future husband for their job/friends/test/etc.
Almost all men start in bracket #1, actively looking to get laid. A huge amount go to #3 once they give up with the sexual marketplace. Men can't live without women the same way that modern women can live without men-we will always have the need to ejaculate.
This is the modern problem with dating. As you can see with the hundreds of thousands of words posted and hours spent on this forum, there is a large disparity between the priorities of the different genders. Women are close to the #1 priority for men, if not the absolute pinnacle. Men are typically a 3-6 priority for women, usually falling well behind her career, her friends, and herself.
On Linkedin, there are three settings that you can activate for privately job searching so that recruiters can contact accordingly:
1. "Actively Looking" . This will tell recruiters that you are looking for a job, and looking for it now. Most people using this setting are either out of work or unhappy with their current work.
2. "Passively Looking". This means that you are happy where you are at, but for a "Whoa" offer, you would leave your current role.
3. "Not Looking/Off" This turns off the feature and hides your name from recruiters who are looking for potential job seekers. They can still find you and message you, but your name won't be delivered to their inbox/screen.
Most young women are in bracket #2, "passively looking." There are some women in bracket #1, but much more in bracket #3. If a guy has a "Whoa" value prop, they'll engage in a relationship, but otherwise, they're happy being single. Most women are getting laid a couple times a month at most. Truth is, they are mostly satisfied without consistent men, chasing their career/education, having cocktails with their friends, soaking in the validation from their instagram selfies. The women in bracket #3, which there are plenty, don't give a shit about men at all, besides for the e-attention that they give and the occasional free drink at a bar.
Even on dating apps, where you'd think most women would be "Actively Looking," most of us can attest to how hard it is to get a girl out 1-4 times even if there's a conversation + number exchange + date. I usually text a girl for 2-3 weeks to get her out at first and then go into chase mode after that, constantly competing with her perpetually busy life. I shake my head at these women so many times, as a guy who has a lots of value, as they are possibly ignoring their future husband for their job/friends/test/etc.
Almost all men start in bracket #1, actively looking to get laid. A huge amount go to #3 once they give up with the sexual marketplace. Men can't live without women the same way that modern women can live without men-we will always have the need to ejaculate.
This is the modern problem with dating. As you can see with the hundreds of thousands of words posted and hours spent on this forum, there is a large disparity between the priorities of the different genders. Women are close to the #1 priority for men, if not the absolute pinnacle. Men are typically a 3-6 priority for women, usually falling well behind her career, her friends, and herself.
Thersites said:
I was a victim of blue pill parenting. Or helicopter parenting whatever you want to call it. I hate calling myself a victim by the way.
Anyway, maybe I talked about this particular topic on the ghosting thread. Basically my parents raising me determined that I was never to fail, and they would always try to bail me out, rather than letting me fail, or me failing, then coming to them for help or advise. That was hugely constraining on my personal development. My father had his balls chopped off, and his entire goal was to basically to get me into the best university possible for my whole under 18 life. My dad did not have any friends because my mom wouldn’t let him. My mom ran the house, the finances, had a job, and micromanaged my life.
I remember fucking playdates, and never getting any opportunity to hang out with my peers unsupervised, etc. My mom would also go to friends parents and ask if they had a gun in the house, if it was secured, if a parent would be at the house all the time too. I think she would background check them as well. Hell, my mom would run periodic checks on my dad too. Fucking stifling man.
I got to college finally got a bit of independence but my parents were always fucking showing up at my school, and calling me daily which I think is excessive in a lot of ways. The amount of freedom I got by going to a uni away from my parents was overwhelming and I coped poorly. Anyway, I think I have a lot in common with my millennial brethren.
I don’t have to worry about loans, but still feels like an uphill battle being a millennial because of all these outdated boomer attitudes about how the world worked in the 70s.
yankeetravels
Kingfisher
I really don't buy women preferring their career and friends over guys. I haven't been involved with one woman that has cared more about both of those together than being with a desirable guy, getting good dick, getting married, and having kids. Don't think this has gone away, I think women are just more aware of who the top men are and are on sensory overload with date app options. That makes them content, validated, and a bit entitled.
I've known women that shit talk a lot about their friends and even drop friends for guys. Don't really hear about that the other way around as much, women aren't as loyal to each other as guys are. While they're going to school or maybe aiming for a certain job, I really haven't met too many women that are gaga over the career thing. I look at it more like they see it as a necessity to live, and it arguably might be with the way young people get out of school now.
Girls still want to get married and be cinderella for a day. They are just very picky about who the Prince Charming is going to be and are willing to wait a few more years than in the past in the west.
I've known women that shit talk a lot about their friends and even drop friends for guys. Don't really hear about that the other way around as much, women aren't as loyal to each other as guys are. While they're going to school or maybe aiming for a certain job, I really haven't met too many women that are gaga over the career thing. I look at it more like they see it as a necessity to live, and it arguably might be with the way young people get out of school now.
Girls still want to get married and be cinderella for a day. They are just very picky about who the Prince Charming is going to be and are willing to wait a few more years than in the past in the west.
nek
Pelican
Heuristics said:
You have to think though, with the exception of those that went to 'nam and a few hiccups economically, life as a boomer in the west was pretty much always on the up-and-up. In their worldview things were always going to get better and better, and truth be told, that will end up being true for most of their lives. Where they fail is in understanding WHY their lives were mostly positive going forward and understanding that the variables at play in the world are always changing, and that the world we live in today is drastically different than when they grew up.
yankeetravels said:
Used to be, the juvenile Disney princess fantasy still had the girl in a subservient role to the noble male. Wife to the husband. Queen to the King etc.
Now, not only is the juvenile Disney princess fantasy all the more prominent, it also places the girl on a pedestal as the primary / main focus.
Queen being more important than the king & so forth.
Couple that with the king needing to be nigh on perfect & the results of those graphs / study are hardly surprising.
yankeetravels said:
Selection bias, perhaps? If they were women who put men at a low priority you'd never have met them in the first place. Doesn't mean those women don't exist.
CynicalContrarian said:
This pretty much says it all. Despite having a huge (usually LIFE ALTERING) shock to the system with the Manchester bombing, Ariana Grande is still nothing but a soulless symbol of materialism and hedonism.
Quarter of a billion hits suggests her value-system is the norm in the west.
I see it
I like it
I want it
I got it
There is the mantra. No interpretation necessary.
All of them should watch this on repeat.
Maybe someone could overlay these charts with the charts about rising obesity levels in females.
It's a likely scenario that men are losing interest in American girls because of they are just getting so fat.
Boner test says no.
It's a likely scenario that men are losing interest in American girls because of they are just getting so fat.
Boner test says no.
Back in the day (07-09), I had a very direct style of game that worked for me at University and night clubs. My personality simply doesn't suit any style other than a very direct approach. Anything else is me being inauthentic
I can say that 'metoo' and the surrounding culture is making this direct approach hard to do.
I mean, I can do it, but do I want to risk being thrown out of department stores, malls, cafes because one cunt or white knight wants to make a scene/example?
This pressure has resigned a lot of men to 'play their position' on online dating- the position being, settle for an unpleasant woman usually a couple of points below you.
I really should stop thinking I can 'beat the matrix' and do a lot of direct daygame in Aus- should instead orient my life to being 100% location independent and getting the fuck outta here. One day I will be old and won't have the same opportunity to have a good 5-8 years gaming hard.
I can say that 'metoo' and the surrounding culture is making this direct approach hard to do.
I mean, I can do it, but do I want to risk being thrown out of department stores, malls, cafes because one cunt or white knight wants to make a scene/example?
This pressure has resigned a lot of men to 'play their position' on online dating- the position being, settle for an unpleasant woman usually a couple of points below you.
I really should stop thinking I can 'beat the matrix' and do a lot of direct daygame in Aus- should instead orient my life to being 100% location independent and getting the fuck outta here. One day I will be old and won't have the same opportunity to have a good 5-8 years gaming hard.
The Black Knight
Pelican
Well, let's look at the reality on the ground:
1. The under 30 male crowd is filled with faggots and soyboys; raised by single moms, cucked daddys, and a anti-masculine culture.
2. The under 30 women are being encouraged to act on every selfish destructive impulse, hate men, and accuse them of rape for asking for a phone number.
3. The current US economic system essentially demands two-income households now to survive. Sole-provider family living is extremely tough to pull off in general but especially so for the under 30 crowd. It wasn't always like this.
4. The men have no balls and can't handle adversity; that's a dealbreaker for many women. The women are neurotic and disgusting with jelly rolls, tattoos, and retarded ass bullrings; that's a dealbreaker for many men.
Some women will put up with loser guys and some men will put up with fat fucks. But no one is truly happy deep down. So, the men have become repulsive to the women, the women have become repulsive to the men, and no one has enough money to have a traditional family assuming each gender even had something to offer to one another.
Unfortunately for young men, they can't aim for 30+ women since most 30+ women are mercenaries looking for a guy with who has his shit together. The under 30 women will tolerate a young broke man but not a soyboy faggot who is also broke. And then they, the few desirable ones, figure out Mr. Early 30's dude has money and masculine swag and that's a wrap for the young guy.
On the other hand, the environment for the young guys is so bad what's the motivation to even better yourself? Where's the pot of gold to work towards? 25 year old cumdumpster Becky and her bullring whom is ready to falsely accuse you of rape because she has regret sex?
You all shit on these guys for playing video games but at least Apex Legends doesn't get you bullshit felony domestic violence charges, thrown in a jail cell, permanent career damage, and a traumatized psyche.
The juice has to be worth the squeeze. It ain't. Not even close.
I don't have any easy answers to the problems.
-Make sole-provider living more affordable.
-Shame bad female behavior.
-Encourage young men to get their balls back.
-Fix the legal system; stop incentivizing people to blow up marriages.
Focus on the men who are salvageable; disavow the rest. Limited time and resources and all that. Some people are simply too far gone, both men and women. Maybe focus on the next generation (gen z), who are still somewhat malleable and see all this fucked up shit going on and give them some guidance. The biggest bullshit of it all is that this all could have been avoided. But decades ago, some men lost their damn way and now we got what we got.
That's OK though. As long as you're not six feet under, there is always a chance to turn it around.
I feel for the young dudes however... the whole goddamn house is just rotten and full of shit. It's gonna take a lot of work to unfuck this mess.
1. The under 30 male crowd is filled with faggots and soyboys; raised by single moms, cucked daddys, and a anti-masculine culture.
2. The under 30 women are being encouraged to act on every selfish destructive impulse, hate men, and accuse them of rape for asking for a phone number.
3. The current US economic system essentially demands two-income households now to survive. Sole-provider family living is extremely tough to pull off in general but especially so for the under 30 crowd. It wasn't always like this.
4. The men have no balls and can't handle adversity; that's a dealbreaker for many women. The women are neurotic and disgusting with jelly rolls, tattoos, and retarded ass bullrings; that's a dealbreaker for many men.
Some women will put up with loser guys and some men will put up with fat fucks. But no one is truly happy deep down. So, the men have become repulsive to the women, the women have become repulsive to the men, and no one has enough money to have a traditional family assuming each gender even had something to offer to one another.
Unfortunately for young men, they can't aim for 30+ women since most 30+ women are mercenaries looking for a guy with who has his shit together. The under 30 women will tolerate a young broke man but not a soyboy faggot who is also broke. And then they, the few desirable ones, figure out Mr. Early 30's dude has money and masculine swag and that's a wrap for the young guy.
On the other hand, the environment for the young guys is so bad what's the motivation to even better yourself? Where's the pot of gold to work towards? 25 year old cumdumpster Becky and her bullring whom is ready to falsely accuse you of rape because she has regret sex?
You all shit on these guys for playing video games but at least Apex Legends doesn't get you bullshit felony domestic violence charges, thrown in a jail cell, permanent career damage, and a traumatized psyche.
The juice has to be worth the squeeze. It ain't. Not even close.
I don't have any easy answers to the problems.
-Make sole-provider living more affordable.
-Shame bad female behavior.
-Encourage young men to get their balls back.
-Fix the legal system; stop incentivizing people to blow up marriages.
Focus on the men who are salvageable; disavow the rest. Limited time and resources and all that. Some people are simply too far gone, both men and women. Maybe focus on the next generation (gen z), who are still somewhat malleable and see all this fucked up shit going on and give them some guidance. The biggest bullshit of it all is that this all could have been avoided. But decades ago, some men lost their damn way and now we got what we got.
That's OK though. As long as you're not six feet under, there is always a chance to turn it around.
I feel for the young dudes however... the whole goddamn house is just rotten and full of shit. It's gonna take a lot of work to unfuck this mess.
I personally have dated 7 women in the past year who were Medical Students or Law School Students/recent Law Grads. These women were 22-27 years old and every single one of them told me the same thing almost verbatim"I need to get my career together first, do some traveling and then get married when I am 30 and have my first kid when I am 32 -33."- they all put relationships second to their career until they are 30 and the blueprint on marriage falters because the "the one" is proving elusive and unaware that he was supposed a role in her script for her life. In the early 1990's I could easily have found plenty of women under 25 that would put marriage first-now not so much, unless they are from South America, South East Asia , or The Middle East.yankeetravels said:
Yup, forum called it long ago. Why would men even want to?
You've got incels, which must suck.
But then there's those of us that do get laid. This year started out as a pussyfest to me and I had to tell several of them to kick rocks because plate spinning wasn't doing it for me anymore. Every girl I banged has been exactly the same:
-career/college chick in her 20s that wants to travel and the freedom to do whatever she wants, eventually settling down in her 30s. Generally a complete mess, dependent on psych meds or party drugs, not a feminine bone in her body except when it comes to sex, can't cook, won't clean, and has this faux alpha personality like she's in charge yet wants to be dominated completely
-late 20s to mid 30s burnout. Often the more fun to bang just because they're more open sexually and their prowess is unmatched, but again usually accompanying more baggage, single mom bullshit, jaded, wear and tear, etc. Funny thing about these chicks is if they were smart they'd settle down with a guy that's 10 years older, like 40s-early 50s, but no they still go for guys in their mid 30s i.e. their prime, to continue a pattern of getting pumped and dumped.
Given those two choices, it's understandable why anyone would want to opt out. I've recently started dating a girl that is conservative, modest, super hot with low mileage, and I've been confronted with the fact that I might have to settle down with her.
You've got incels, which must suck.
But then there's those of us that do get laid. This year started out as a pussyfest to me and I had to tell several of them to kick rocks because plate spinning wasn't doing it for me anymore. Every girl I banged has been exactly the same:
-career/college chick in her 20s that wants to travel and the freedom to do whatever she wants, eventually settling down in her 30s. Generally a complete mess, dependent on psych meds or party drugs, not a feminine bone in her body except when it comes to sex, can't cook, won't clean, and has this faux alpha personality like she's in charge yet wants to be dominated completely
-late 20s to mid 30s burnout. Often the more fun to bang just because they're more open sexually and their prowess is unmatched, but again usually accompanying more baggage, single mom bullshit, jaded, wear and tear, etc. Funny thing about these chicks is if they were smart they'd settle down with a guy that's 10 years older, like 40s-early 50s, but no they still go for guys in their mid 30s i.e. their prime, to continue a pattern of getting pumped and dumped.
Given those two choices, it's understandable why anyone would want to opt out. I've recently started dating a girl that is conservative, modest, super hot with low mileage, and I've been confronted with the fact that I might have to settle down with her.
