Share your personal experiences with the education system

DenizenJane

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
got inspired by this thread in Civil Strife... https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/our-schools-are-next.37675/page-6#post-1427726

The schools and colleges in the west, and in particular the U.S, are a very special type of depraved. To put it in perspective, they were in abysmal shape when everything else was in bad shape, and now that everything is in abysmal shape, I can't even imagine how they are now.

Its also odd because every criticism that anybody ever said about how we do schooling here are all true at the same time. So instead of writing an essay to unpack it all, its easier to make a point (and its also more entertaining) to collect stories you have from compulsory education.

I've had writer's block for weeks now, so this OP won't be including mine just yet. Anyways, I think this is important. Perhaps it might encourage or solidify the decisions of those are were thinking of homeschooling or bypassing university. Because sometimes people need to know 'yes, it is that bad'. Saves money, time, and sanity.
 

davidjones

 
Banned
Women teachers. Nothing but women teachers. Single middle aged women were "educating" me. I once had to stay indoors for recess due to me saying "Suck" . There was an announcement over the loud speaker announcing that there was a ceremony being held later on that day, I for whatever reason felt the need to say very quietly to my friend next to me "this sucks" and my demonic 3rd grade teacher made me stay in for recess as she was standing a few feet away from me and heard me. It was the championship game of our outdoor touch football tournament I was expected to lead my men, my team to victory as quarterback.

I begged her to please, please let me go out to recess and play. I'll never say it again, I'm sorry. I was nearly brought to tears and she stood firm in her cruelty and responded with a simple "No". Not even an elaboration as to why I am to receive this terrible punishment other than the reason of me saying this sucks. What is this nonsense? You probably say this sucks 100 times on a daily basis, what is so bad about that saying? What is this insanity? Why is this cruelty being directed at me?

She was in her early 30s and she was single. In fact she often told us about her personal life quite often! She was very emotionally unstable.

I expected my comrades to hold out and demand our recess teacher postpone the game for I their quarterback was unjustly locked up like a zoo animal indoors! They did not. The game was played and the game was lost.

I was shocked that our recess teacher who was quite fond of me did not oblige to this request put forward by my brethren, that is until the full story was recited to me by the team's 2nd best wide receiver.

It was said that whom at the time I considered to be a dear friend, George, the teams best wide receiver and leading the recess league in touchdowns scored said he was to play Quarterback in my place. Imagine this treachery! How convenient for George because at the beginning of the season there was a serious debate between him and I at who would play Quarterback, so heated to that it almost ended in blows being exchanged. After this incident George was no longer my friend.

I never forgot this day, my blood boils as I write this for this was the first domino to fall in the string of events that would carry out for the next 6 years, initiating my war against the school system. A complete paradigm shift took hold. I had been just your average student who disliked school as much as the next guy prior to this event but now I was consumed with a deep rage and hatred for it and vowed to get out of there as soon as I possibly can. The fight had just begun.

I dropped out after I completed the ninth grade.

I took up the solo intellectual life and began self educating via books and the internet. I took up some regular work for a little while, job to job and then eventually an opportunity presented itself to be a sort of an entrepreneur and be self sufficient via the internet and so I took it and am doing just fine today. Call it providence.
 
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Jive Turkey

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
Not gonna give you the bullwinder, but basically

Elementary School: Nothing but women, a few good. Most mediocre, a few terrible and vindictive. I did have a retired military male teacher though for one grade, and he was awesome. By far the most loved by the children. No other teacher could compare. This alone just proved how desperate kids were for some male leadership.

Middle School: A few more male teachers, this time some were good and some were horrible. One was actually ousted as a pedophile and went to the big house. Apparently no touching ever went on, but he was sending very perverse messaged to his former students over facebook. This was the first time I would encounter teachers who I would consider feminazis, and there were a lot of them.

High school: A total joke. You couldn't fail if you tried. At one point our school got an infusion of diversity and things got even worse. Fist fights over muh dick, stealing, stealing, and you guessed it, even more stealing. Openly disrespecting and cussing at teachers, and then having the audacity to accuse them of racism when they were written up, or even just asked to quiet down.

College: Not as pozzed as I was expecting based on how bad everyone said it would be online, but still very pozzed, and basically it was only hard because of the massive workload, not because you actually have to think about anything or solve any meaningful problems. (No, I was not a STEM major, and no I did have to take out loans)
 

DenizenJane

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
I had to take this required gen-ed in CC one time. It was setup as a this literature/communications/english class, and the weird part was we found out it wouldn't be graded in the traditional sense (No A, B, C, D or Fs.)

In practice, it was a SJW thinktank. This lady teacher was apparently married and hadn't even hit middle age yet, so I don't know what excuse she would have for being... well, the way she was.

She was human, though. So she had pet peeves (besides racism).

She really hated bad attendance. So you wouldn't slide by by showing up one out of every four sessions, or God forbid sauntering through the door halfway through class. The transgressors who did this always happened to belong to the oh so oppressed groups of our barbaric society that we had to discuss daily. They would get called out by her too, but at the same time the lectures were always to rationalization after rationalization of why x group in America behaves badly. Unless it affects your self-esteem about the classroom that you run, apparently. Teachers are like this in general. In fact, I imagine that public k-12 to be much worse. That's a topic for another day.

Kind of a dumb story. It sort of reads like a diary post on Reddit. But my brain never untwisted itself after seeing teacher after teacher get their clocks cleaned daily by their loser students, and still do the Marxism charade. And really, showing up late to class is ultra mild compared to the sheer abuse that you've probably seen or heard of elsewhere. Eventually, it comes down to a lack of self-respect.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
My schooling experience basically turned me into a libertarian. I ended up hating any kind of authority because of how much it was abused by such terrible personalities. I have of course, softened on the concept of authority because now, as a Christian, I understand that it is possible and in fact desirable that authority be exercised by godly people who wish to be God's agents for order and justice as outlined in the Bible. When authority is held by good people, it is extremely important to the health of society.

I just remember being struck by the utter hypocrisy of the school faculties who often preached about equality and justice, but could barely lift a finger to uphold those principles themselves. There were many instances where teachers and principals had access to evidence proving the truth of a case, but for some reason they just never showed any interest in actually hearing out the case. And in many of those cases involving me, they usually believed the girls over me no matter how insane the girls' claims were.

This is why I think the liberal order is doomed to fail inevitably: it is so hilariously inept at demonstrating itself worthy of loyalty, especially for the young. You can even see this in the recent election fiasco, where interest in Biden was so low they had to cheat in Biblical proportions to win. That's not a faction with a lot of loyalty behind it, that's a faction with a lot of money and corruption behind it.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
I have a PhD in a technical field, so have some experience of the multiple stages of education. I don't think that education has as much of an effect as forum members may think it does.

I can't remember my elementary or middle school years, since it involved a lot of travelling due to my father's work.

My high school was a hippy one which indoctrinated me like crazy to accept homosexual propaganda and degeneracy. However, I had wonderful math and science teachers, and was blessed in this regard.

Because I studied in a technical field, my undergrad professors were not crazy lefties. However, my fellow students were, and I made friends with LGB ppl.

In grad school, there was a distinct bias against being overly political. You were encouraged to just focus on minute mathematical and technical details.

Despite the fact that my college and grad school experiences were benign, I turned out into a standard brainwashed leftist.

My high school experience certainly contributed to this, but I realize now that consuming excessive media (TV, films, video games, porn) had a greater impact. Also, a lack of success with women made me bitter, which leads to leftist thinking.

Now, I don't watch any TV, and only occasionally consume a movie. I prefer to read books for relaxation. I'm no longer brainwashed by leftist propaganda.
 

DenizenJane

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
Around a decade ago they began the take-home laptop programs for all the public school pupils in the U.S. I imagine its been upgraded to smart tablets or something by now.

I loved mine. All you had to do was get yourself a good pair of ear buds for the audio jack, and a usb mouse so you aren't stuck with the finger pad thing, and you were set.

The things were still a little too small to comfortably play all the bootleg versions of videogames in my opinion, but plenty of people did. The early versions of Call of Duty were common. There was also lots of titles from Blizzard entertainment. And of course Minecraft. With a little url fenagling you had Youtube, Soundcloud etc. I didn't even own an ipod at the time, so it was a sweet deal.




Now of course the elephant in the room here is that the whole purpose of these laptops was to be educational tools. Whoever sold the idea of technology = smarter kids to countless clueless members belonging to countless Boards of Education over the years was an epic salesman.
 
My experience in school was epic, I had the opportunity to go to a charter school during elementary, which was really fun and I learned a lot. Would of liked to have learned about ancient Egypt, which I didn't have the opportunity. In high school we were ranked number one and we partied so hard, I failed grade 11 math and had to go to summer school, which was a good thing as my math got really good. Made lifelong friends and went on to university to study computer science and getting a 4.0 gpa, there was a lot of corruption in the mix though which lead me to have to leave. Having a Ipod touch was sweet especially for khan academy and Youtube videos on school subjects. Didn't have a laptop til university which was really dope, made some pretty sweet software and did a lot of discrete mathematics, which helped me understand theoretical computation. Education is the key to success in life and happiness, never missed a day of school unless it was 420, and well skipping class a few times. Was always late but I always did my schoolwork, in grade 9 I swear I had like 3 hours of homework every night, most I ever did.
 

Hell_Is_Like_Newark

Kingfisher
Gold Member
The public school system for me contributed to what overall I consider a miserable childhood. My parents picked to live where we did to get away from "Vibrancy" which was beating up and mugging my sister on a daily basis. So the school I went to was safe. I just didn't fit in there with the Prussian style "sit at your desks and repeat after me". I turned into Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) creating a story in my head to pass the boredom. If I was born a generation later, I would have been poisoned with ADD meds.

My son right now is being home schooled (at least until finishing 1st grade) in a Montessori style, which works really well for him. At 3-1/2, he is already able to read and understand words via phonics.

When my wife and I were discussing our school experiences (me in the US, her in Thailand), I recalled that public school had some really weird and annoying rules. One in particular vexes me to this day:

No sunglasses rule. I am legally blind in one eye due to a nasty accident as a toddler. The nerve is still alive, but the doctors drilled a separate hole in my retina to release fluid pressure; therefore, saving me from having the eyeball removed. I can't regulate the light flow into that eye. Plus, I am very photo sensitive to begin with.

From grade school through high school on the playground, on the sports field, etc.. if we were outside and it was sunny, I was in extreme pain and rendered blind. Mind you.. sunglasses fixes this issue. No matter how much I pleaded, I was not allowed to wear them. Once in I think 6th grade, I just wore a pair. A PE instructor came over, ripped them off my face, and yelled "What are you! Trying to be different!".

That line I think sums up my public school education. "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down".. even if it is some kid just trying to not go blind on a ball field. My parents weren't the type to listen to me or challenge the authority of the school and coaches. When I got to college (which had a PE requirement) I had my shades. "Fuck you" was in essence, my response if someone insisted I didn't wear them.

My son inherited the same photo sensitivity. He has a pair of sunglasses at the ready since he was an infant.
 

Zanardi

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Although I work in the education system, in an University, I can relate to some of the stories around here. I had a few great teachers, but most were meh or outright bad.

I think there is a trend here in Romania between the female teachers: they cannot or don't know how to earn their pupils' or students' trust and respect and they know it. Thus, they overcompensate by being overly-authoritarian to the point of making stupid and unexplainable decisions, in an attempt to instill fear. This varies from keeping (an unjustified, if you ask me) a distance between them up to yelling (their favorite weapon), not allowing them go to to recreation or many and very detailed rules imposed on them.

At first, the plan works until everybody understands what's going on and their plan either backfires or the pupils/ students communicate with the teacher until they have no professional relationship with them, then it's ignore time. However, I almost never saw this in male teachers. They were cool, more creative than their female counterparts and we loved to have them and to help us study. Of course, there are generalizations for both genders but I am talking about the majority.

In elementary school and middle school I had the above mentioned mix. In the Romanian system, in the first four years we had a schoolmistress, which generally meant lots of beating, her favorite place being our heads. The middle school was much better, having many teachers which were mostly okay, a few of them being average.

I went to a very strict and authoritarian high school, to study computer science (this was from 1998 to 2002) and it was the worse time of my life. Most of the teachers there were very strict and had no chief interest to teach us, but to punish us and to instill unnecessary discipline. On the other side, the programming teachers were young and too soft females, thus mostly nobody cared to study (except me, which I quickly realized that, once I got the basics down, I would do much better if I study by myself). Looking back, I guess all we wanted was simply to be treated as humans, not as little beasts with only destruction in our minds or little convicts. Of course, at that time, nobody actually cared to do that. Four years ago I stepped again into my former high school and it became like a little fortress, every student having an access card. However, two years ago I had stepped into another high school, from another city and it looked more normal and natural. I had the impression that things will go north once the generations of teachers change.

In Uni I had the best time of my life. The teachers were very OK, much more flexible and understanding but the exams were difficult (no wonder, since I gradated in STEM. It was one of the reasons that now I am teaching at the Uni I graduated and trying to do things better for today's students. It's a smaller scale of "Never again".

Now I am teaching in the CS department, where the male to female ratio is about 60-40. The atmosphere is very relaxed, chill, we get along very well and all students respect us.

PS: being in close connection with the teachers of the faculty where I graduated, I noticed that most male teachers retired due to age and now there are mostly female teachers (2-3 male teachers and over 15 female teachers) and a fearful-turned-authoritarian female dean. I'll let you guess what the atmosphere is there.
 

ItalianStallion9

Woodpecker
Protestant
School system rewarded obedience, discipline, and memorization.

Critical thinking was either not rewarded or even condemned ("don't talk back or question my teaching"). In addition, the public school system was loaded with scientific agendas.

The university I went to was in a red state, and luckily there wasn't much globohomo being taught; I also just missed the feminism/racial justice movements. The junior college I went to was the worst: one english teacher mocked me for doing a paper on a man who converted to Christianity. Teachers had a chip on their shoulder for not being in at a 4 year college and the accounting teacher was openly anti Christian.

The k12 public school system is completely compromised at this point (especially in California). Teachers are condoning BLM and after the 1/6 capitol hill protests teachers were condemning it (BLM cause was justified for the billions in damage but the 1/6 protest was the worst thing since 911). Homeschool or private school is likely the best option in most states in 2021.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
If wealth is a measure, the two richest people from my year, by millions both left school at 16. One was given a soft-expulsion as he was leaving anyway. Both harassed by teachers for not jumping through hoops. I guess it is resistance to this that has lead them to being able to do anything.

My year was fairly well mannered compared to other and higher in IQ. That I know of most either fall into the category of stable professionals or those who fester in the cities due to following satanic culture.

I have two fails in the two areas I work in. If I graduated in anything it was turning things upside down to annoy people.

School is not appropriate for masculine personalities. I learned more exploding polish canisters from the cleaner's cupboard, deodorant blowtorches, sellotaping people's belonging to ceiling, flooding the toilets, blocking the plumbing...
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
I was in public schools from the 80s until the mid 90s. Politics and woke and all the rest weren't noticeable until high school. I recall, Christmas decorations, trees, "Merry Christmas" banners...all in public schools. This was in Massachusetts mind you. In high school there were a couple of outspoken teachers that were openly liberal. One taught advanced history and had a reputation for crying in class, pushing her biased views and yelling at kids who had the "wrong" ideas. She was, Jewish, a lesbian, and hideously ugly. I started to notice things. This teacher appealed to the nerd class in school and many of them sort of flocked to her like a cult leader. She was my inspiration to start a Reaganesque club in my school. We published a magazine and the front page story was "school indoctrination" (I was the author). My principal insisted to review our magazine and worked to actively subvert it. We kept this up for the entire time I was in school. The first issue kept on being delayed until the very last day of school, which dampened the effect. Talk about restricting rights to expression and free speech. The principal did this deliberately.

Another incident was when I volunteered for the state student advisory council. This was an eye-opening experience for me. This was advertised as being a sort of civic-orientated council of students that would liaison to the Massachusetts legislature. After experiencing the indoctrination in history class, the subterfuge of the administration, plus, my desire to boost my credentials for my Naval Academy application, I decided to do it. And so I became my schools rep. I didn't know what I was getting into. This was an indoctrination machine. All of the annoying talking points currently being discussed were pushed onto us. The kids were...kids. Perhaps civically minded, but, I remember the dull mindless stares we all had. I recall one incident in particular.

Back in the early 90s there was heated debate on the "n" word. The outcome of said debate is why I can only write the "n" word versus using the actual word. At the time, the sjw's insisted that this word was inflammatory. Okay, I thought, fair enough. I agree. The solution, don't call a black person the n word. I won't. Done. But then it morphed into only white people can't say the n word. But black people can say it. This was my first experience in the contradictions and hypocrisy of the left. I thought, gee, if its so bad how about we don't say this word at all? Because, making it okay for only black people to say didn't sit well with me.

This very same conversation occurred during one of our sessions at the state student teachers advisory council (during a 3-day retreat). We were all sitting Indian style in this hall of sorts and they "asked" about the "n" word. As if "they" really were genuine about letting people speak. One kid, a boy, did speak and he made my exact case. More or less, hey its a bad word lets just not say it at all. Enter a black woman who was part of the "staff".

She had to be in her early maybe mid 30s. There were probably 100 or so kids and a half dozen I guess adults (leaders I suppose). The black woman went hysterical. She was literally frothing at the mouth with this rage and anger that was...it was disturbing. He made his case and then defended it, again, in a very concise and cogent manner. This only enraged her all the more. Then she assaulted him. This all happened in the space of about 30 seconds. It went from zero to hysteria/physical attack in no time. She beat him relentlessly. No one, especially the "adults" in the room stepped in to stop it. She beat and beat him mercilessly, he begged and cried and then wailed. This went on for several minutes. The boy was a soy boy type, not to take anything away from the poor kid, he looked like a freshman. He never fought back and was probably just surprised and unsure about what was happening. All of us were. The incident eventually ended. I can't remember what she did but he sat there and cried and moaned in pain.

Everyone sat there for several minutes. No one talked. It was bizarre. I kept thinking, why didn't the "staff" intervene? I thought about calling the police and reporting this. Eventually, we filed out of the hall. It was then that I looked more closely at this "staff". I sh*t (sorry Roosh) you not, kevin jennings was part of the "staff", he's the pervert that taught teenagers about fisting. He was sort of the MC at the event. But, I realized there was no real "staff" there. The two adults that were off to my right were, in fact, weird-looking lesbians, probably "trans" too (this was 1994ish mind you. There was no staff there. These people were indoctrinators, period. I recall the vibe these folks gave off. There was visceral anger that emanated off of them.

I realized that the beating I just witnessed wasn't allowed to happen.

This is the left. These are the people behind it and let me tell you...they have ZERO business being anywhere except either in an insane institution or prison.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
This is the left. These are the people behind it and let me tell you...they have ZERO business being anywhere except either in an insane institution or prison.
I can think of another place they should be that has no risk of letting them back into society.

Your experience is pretty consistent with mine of the public school system. All talk about justice and stuff, but then they go and do the complete opposite of what they preached, and I went to school in a very conservative state where you would think this type of subversion wouldn't have much of a foothold. And of course, when you bring it up with the adults of the time, the boomers, they just laugh it off or dismiss it as an isolated incident. Boomers had - and still have - no clue about how bad the educational system was and continues to be, and they have exactly zero interest in knowing how bad it really is.

Because who would believe that a black woman who works for the government in an area involving kids would physically beat a white kid for suggesting that nobody ever use that word, in front of other staff too? Because white boomers were always in the habit of projecting white ways of thinking and behaving onto blacks, they assume that because they wouldn't think of doing such a thing to a kid, especially in such plain sight and in front of such an audience, that a black woman wouldn't either. Doubly so because black people are the holiest of holies to idiot white liberals (it is Massachusetts) and can never do anything wrong.

The kid in your story who was beat, his parents probably thought he was lying and making up the story when he told them. Probably assumed he was trying to get attention from them or something stupid like that or trying to save face for getting into a fight with a peer. The dad was probably like, "I was like that too, I used to fight with my bros, it was just a boy thing, and when I lost I'd make up a story for my parents."

Subverters definitely targeted our educational institutions, and the boomers just collectively laughed off the reported instances of subversion.
 
As a Zoomer and University Junior, I think I have a pretty fresh take on the US education system. The main issues I see infiltrating the highschools and universities are overuse of technology, intersectionalism/progressivism actively killing merit, and the simultaneous promotion of sex and antisocial behavior. Our sins number like the stars, but those come to mind first.

Overuse of technology in ham fisted ways is definitely enabled teachers and students to be lazier. Because we are treated as beta test group, we aren't graded, so it just enabled everyone to do as little as possible. The true loss is that we were only allowed to socialize for these periods by bypassing the websites and using messaging apps.

Merit is being eaten alive due to certain groups not being in advanced or early college enrollment classes. I have been treated to only hearing a lot of debate on this in highschool, but they have since changed ao that you don't have to report an advanced class as a grade. Universities are cutting back on merit scholarships amd replacing them with extremely subjective 'Change the World :)' type programs.

And the great burden of my age: pushing socialization into the hands of elite owned apps. While it is no secret that every generation seems to be more perverse, it's exceptionally bizarre to see it occur now. As I have had menial jobs with exposure to older folks (10 years is a world of difference), I have noticed that women have become more shut in and prone to needing groups and men have become far too shy. This biblical imbalance causes most relationships to last a month, but there is still light in the world. It is far more normal for Catholic School students to be well spoken and married by my age. I would be happy to write more, but I have to go to work.
 
Well, here in my country public education has always been kinda deficient. There are some private schools that were better, but nowadays most universities here suck balls. The public colleges and some of the Jesuit-owned private schools were always cesspools of Marxist and postmodern bullshit, and now all schools, even the conservative or Christian oriented ones, are pretty much drowned in woke nonsense. It has happened the same here as in the rest of the western world, that colleges are open to admit anyone regardless if they're have the academic profile and skills , in your general leftist idea of "everybody gets a trophy". Here free education basically means "shitty education", but now even the private schools are crap.

The old flaws and mistakes that were always present on education even on basic levels, are now bigger cracks that are collapsing the whole educative system. Having also here the same problem as some of the guys commented here, my college education was pretty much useless in the real world. I ended up on teaching because my career is oversaturated every year with new graduates whom will end unemployed or working on another area unrelated to mine. But If i ever get to teach in college, i will be a hard taskmaster, not your typical cucked SJW teacher that doesn't demand anything to their alumni because he fears to hurt their feelings.
 
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Na skrzydłach orlich

Pigeon
Catholic
Eighth year in public school, 1980s - all students (male and female) were required to take a half-year of "home-ec" (home economics, i.e., kitchen skills, laundry, sewing, and what not) and half-year of "shop" (i.e., tools, building, etc.). In the home-ec we sewed a pillow, and in shop we made a cookie sheet for baking. I used the pillow I had to make to hide my packs of cigarettes from my parents by opening a tear in the side and hiding them in the white fluff inside.

Edit: Before the 80s, it was a full year of shop for the boys and a full year of home-ec for the girls, and neither gender had to take the classes of the other. The shop classes were far more advanced than what I experienced, but that's what happens when you force the two genders into shop class at once - making cookie sheets.
 
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DrCotard

Kingfisher
Gold Member
My experience was meh, but I was fortunate to have a traditional education before that woke nonsense that has corrupted my country's schools and universities.
 
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