Shooting at Los Angeles International. TSA agent dead
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Architekt said:
I almost took a part time job with them. Our airport is tiny. Only six gates so it would have been a laid back job. I dont understand the hate for them. You run into pricks at any service job. I know you Sprint carriers deal with shitheads all the time.
I worked for a few customer service jobs. Walmart, Verizon, Ihop and at each job there was more than a few shitheads who hate their job. Just angry people in general. Any service job have them. Deal with it and move on. Should you? No but it is what it is.
Side note: the worst customer service I ever had was in Seattle. The people there do not care at all. I thouht it was me but my whole unit said the same thing. Ever coffee shop, fast food spot, and restaurant was the same. Blame it on the weather haha.
Too easy
TSA people have always been respectful and courteous to me. I always shoot the shit with them when I opt out of that bullshit X-ray machine and go with the pat-down. Only one time did a guy fluff my nuts a little too much, but I don't think it was intentional.
The idea that these people "deserve" to get killed is beyond absurd and discredits any other argumentation you might be making.
The idea that these people "deserve" to get killed is beyond absurd and discredits any other argumentation you might be making.
Architekt
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thedude3737 said:
I'm not sure what you're reading, but it doesn't seem to be my post.
Someone goes into any security position knowing the dangers. It's not exactly some entirely unexpected tragedy - the possibility of very real danger (in this case getting shot at) is part of their job description. If someone isn't willing to accept that risk, then they should seriously reconsider their options. It's pretty much equivalent to allowing hipsters into the army
Architekt said:
That's an extreme comparison. Name one other TSA agent that's ever been killed. That's right, there haven't been any since the TSA came into existence 12 years ago. So your logic of "there are 100,000 other jobs to choose from" doesn't really apply here, when someone applying for a TSA job would have no reasonable expectation that their life was even remotely at stake. You'd have the same odds of getting shot in any occupation, whether or not it's considered "security".
If I understand the tone in this thread correctly, it's that some of you guys are making a case for how big of assholes TSA agents are, and therefor by some insane logic that they deserve to die. Am I missing something? Because that's how it's reading.
These aren't meter maids or traffic police. These aren't people that leave tickets on your car in front of your apartment at 6AM. These are agents that work at an AIRPORT, where people have the luxury of flying internationally. Nobody is forcing anyone to go to the airport. TSA agents aren't invading your personal life and causing undue harm or distress.
Let's keep things in perspective here.
I hate TSA and the whole security theatre thing. It's all clearly make work and the idiots that are in it only make it more a sham.
However, I have no qualms with TSA. I refuse on principle to let myself through the nudie scanners and always request an "enhanced pat down".
I'm comfortable with my body, hell I would rather walk around naked. They once tried to tell me that the scanners are "safe" and they use radio waves. I laughed and made up some story about how I worked for a defense subcontractor and we made pop corn in one once. :angel: Any other time, they let me through quickly without any hassle. I wear stringless dress shoes and a suit through the air port. Probably helps.
You know what, now that I think about I don't get pushed around by the police either. In almost every interaction I look at them dead in the eye, talk to them like how men are supposed to talk, and try not to push my luck. I end up getting away with a ton. I've been pulled over for speeding, 2 DUIs, and various other infractions that I have talked myself out of. In all instances they apologized for wasting my time.
The only people that tend to get pushed around by police and other authority figures tend to be wimpy SWPLs or other people with no back bone.
Edit: Fun fact, if a terrorist wanted to wreck havoc all he would need to do is wear a bomb into the security waiting line during peak hours. No need to go through the scanners.
However, I have no qualms with TSA. I refuse on principle to let myself through the nudie scanners and always request an "enhanced pat down".
I'm comfortable with my body, hell I would rather walk around naked. They once tried to tell me that the scanners are "safe" and they use radio waves. I laughed and made up some story about how I worked for a defense subcontractor and we made pop corn in one once. :angel: Any other time, they let me through quickly without any hassle. I wear stringless dress shoes and a suit through the air port. Probably helps.
You know what, now that I think about I don't get pushed around by the police either. In almost every interaction I look at them dead in the eye, talk to them like how men are supposed to talk, and try not to push my luck. I end up getting away with a ton. I've been pulled over for speeding, 2 DUIs, and various other infractions that I have talked myself out of. In all instances they apologized for wasting my time.
The only people that tend to get pushed around by police and other authority figures tend to be wimpy SWPLs or other people with no back bone.
Edit: Fun fact, if a terrorist wanted to wreck havoc all he would need to do is wear a bomb into the security waiting line during peak hours. No need to go through the scanners.
It's a tragedy this TSA officer got killed. He didn't deserve to die. TSA agents are just people trying to make a little cash. They're not the most skilled workers, so, being a TSA agent is a decent job for these folks.
Having said that, to those people who despise the TSA, I can sympathize with them. Israel simply has metal detectors. Israel. In Europe no one ever gropes you, EVER. Last time I flew out of the USA I opted out of the body scanner, which does emit radiation, and a TSA agent forcefully hit my balls in the pat down. These techniques are unnecessary. Their anti-human decency. In my opinion, some TSA agents seem to enjoy it.
If in the land of the free, we are now subjected to having our bodies groped when engaging in travel, then this is no longer the land of the free. Our country is hopelessly in debt. We are over extended in military entanglements. We are living in an ongoing global recession and the district of Washington D.C. has become the wealthiest district in America. Basically, the terrorists won. And its not the fault of the people who hate the TSA. The people who sometimes go overboard with their proclamations of, "The government is taking away our freedom!!!!" It is not their fault a lunatic killed a TSA agent. It is these people derided as "conspiracy theorists" and "nutjobs" who are the only ones who were warning everybody about an impending financial catastrophe in 2006-2007. Namely Vox Day, Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, and their supporters.
I've noticed that some people who otherwise hold libertarian beliefs like to shit on their allies who are more strident, more "conspiracy theorist" than intellectual, a little too angry to be considered "cool". Well I won't. These people have a right to be angry. And 99% of them, even the angriest internet tough guy who hate's "pigs" haven't hurt a fly in their life. Yea, if someone goes overboard, we should say, "Hey man, take a minute and cool off. Relax." But otherwise, we should hold our contempt for the real criminals. The people in Washington. The TSA agents who don't come out and admit they serve an organization that flies in the face of the constitution, the IRS, and the men and women in the Federal "ABC" agencies who actively work to undermine our rights and our constitution.
-Cliff notes-
It's sad a man died. I still say fuck the TSA. Groping people is unacceptable and should stop.
Having said that, to those people who despise the TSA, I can sympathize with them. Israel simply has metal detectors. Israel. In Europe no one ever gropes you, EVER. Last time I flew out of the USA I opted out of the body scanner, which does emit radiation, and a TSA agent forcefully hit my balls in the pat down. These techniques are unnecessary. Their anti-human decency. In my opinion, some TSA agents seem to enjoy it.
If in the land of the free, we are now subjected to having our bodies groped when engaging in travel, then this is no longer the land of the free. Our country is hopelessly in debt. We are over extended in military entanglements. We are living in an ongoing global recession and the district of Washington D.C. has become the wealthiest district in America. Basically, the terrorists won. And its not the fault of the people who hate the TSA. The people who sometimes go overboard with their proclamations of, "The government is taking away our freedom!!!!" It is not their fault a lunatic killed a TSA agent. It is these people derided as "conspiracy theorists" and "nutjobs" who are the only ones who were warning everybody about an impending financial catastrophe in 2006-2007. Namely Vox Day, Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, and their supporters.
I've noticed that some people who otherwise hold libertarian beliefs like to shit on their allies who are more strident, more "conspiracy theorist" than intellectual, a little too angry to be considered "cool". Well I won't. These people have a right to be angry. And 99% of them, even the angriest internet tough guy who hate's "pigs" haven't hurt a fly in their life. Yea, if someone goes overboard, we should say, "Hey man, take a minute and cool off. Relax." But otherwise, we should hold our contempt for the real criminals. The people in Washington. The TSA agents who don't come out and admit they serve an organization that flies in the face of the constitution, the IRS, and the men and women in the Federal "ABC" agencies who actively work to undermine our rights and our constitution.
-Cliff notes-
It's sad a man died. I still say fuck the TSA. Groping people is unacceptable and should stop.
TexasMade said:
Yes and no. As egalitarian as it is, everyone who flies is forced to contend with these dicks.
If you don't like the service at one restaurant, go eat the competition. Vote with your dollars. You'll have the last laugh. It might cost more, but there is a restaurant somewhere that will have staff with manners. No one has to go to fast food establishments.
No one has to fly either, but for a lot of people, jobs do come with a certain amount of business travel or you may have relatives on the other side of the country.
If you don't like the way the TSA treats you, the next best option is a bus or driving and often that isn't a real serious option.
If you get pulled over by a cop you may have been doing a bit over the speed limit and he is doing his job. Even if your tax dollars pay for him to do it.
Boarding an airplane is the most legal thing in the world, so the phrase "I pay your salary" is somewhat more legitimate.
I'm a polite guy when it comes to service professionals. Even dentists consider me exceptional. I understand that people just need to do their job sometime.
So if I have an issue with the TSA, more than likely it is because they are unnecessary dick heads.
My experiences in Seattle mirror yours.
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I feel ya. The guy that got killed didn't deserve it.
However,
Under the constitution what the TSA does is against the law.
When you opt out, the groping, the way the TSA does it without probable cause for a crime, is a felony. If a cop did the same thing the TSA does on the street with no probable cause, that cop could get sued for big money. The metal detectors work. Like I said, I've noticed that some of the TSA employees seem to get a kick out of being above the law. Not all, but enough that makes me look at them with contempt.
I feel ya. The guy that got killed didn't deserve it.
However,
Under the constitution what the TSA does is against the law.
When you opt out, the groping, the way the TSA does it without probable cause for a crime, is a felony. If a cop did the same thing the TSA does on the street with no probable cause, that cop could get sued for big money. The metal detectors work. Like I said, I've noticed that some of the TSA employees seem to get a kick out of being above the law. Not all, but enough that makes me look at them with contempt.
KorbenDallas said:
That's cool, you're an expert on the constitution?
My understanding is that under US law, a search is only unreasonable when the individual being searched is unfairly targeted.
You have the right to travel.
You don't have the right to use public transportation.
If you don't want to be groped, just fly on a private plane.
What? Can't afford it? Lot's of people have private airplanes. You just need to work harder.
Here is an article by a constitutional law professor in the Washington Post's Opinion section on why the TSA searches are unconstitutional:
Why TSA searches are unconstituional by a law professor
Suits-
I'm not an expert on the constitution. Others are who share the same view as me though. It still doesn't mean I'm right. It's my opinion.
Also, its not public transportation. Airlines are private companies in the USA. Technically under the law, an airport can use private security instead of the TSA. The Federal Government has used strong-arming tactics to keep the TSA in most airports though. Finally, a search is not "only unreasonable when the individual being searched is unfairly targeted." For the most part, for the police to search you, they have to get a warrant first. I'm not quite sure what you meant by it's only unreasonable when the individual being searched is unfairly targeted. It's unreasonable if they don't have probable cause or a warrant.
Also, I can sense a lot of hostility. You mad at the constitution bro?
Why TSA searches are unconstituional by a law professor
Suits-
I'm not an expert on the constitution. Others are who share the same view as me though. It still doesn't mean I'm right. It's my opinion.
Also, its not public transportation. Airlines are private companies in the USA. Technically under the law, an airport can use private security instead of the TSA. The Federal Government has used strong-arming tactics to keep the TSA in most airports though. Finally, a search is not "only unreasonable when the individual being searched is unfairly targeted." For the most part, for the police to search you, they have to get a warrant first. I'm not quite sure what you meant by it's only unreasonable when the individual being searched is unfairly targeted. It's unreasonable if they don't have probable cause or a warrant.
Also, I can sense a lot of hostility. You mad at the constitution bro?
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