Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019

Bluey

Woodpecker
Leonard D Neubache said:
In Australia the homicide rate was trending downward long before the '96 shooting and continued trending downward after the gun confiscations.

As usual the Left poisoned the well of debate by deliberately skewing the facts with partisan interpretation. They claimed gun deaths (homicides and suicides) we're down but ignored that the overall numbers were still on track. People were just killing each other or themselves by different means.

I have to suspect now that immigrant crime gangs have taken up where the outlaw motorcycle gangs left off that our lull in the murder rate is over. The Arabs in particular will be able to import large numbers of illegal firearms from their contacts abroad. But by the time this madness is over we will have officially gone through "2+2=5" territory where obvious murders are counted as suicide or misadventure just to keep the stats down, particularly as and where it relates to immigrants. We've already seen how the US authorities diminish Latino crime and pad out White crime by listing Henrnandezs and Ortegas as White in offender registries.

Found out recently that our "no mass shootings since 1996" wankery goes by our own definition or 5 or more shot. The international standard is 4.
Forget about how most of the registries are usually wrong, or have been hacked like the tassie one a couple of years ago. Seem to recall a number of firearms owner had their stuff nicked after that too.

Just remember the government can do no wrong. :mad:
 

rockoman

Woodpecker
Just think about all the times in life when you are required to give your date of birth. Think about your personal documents which include it.

..... and yet

More than ten months after the events in Christchurch - and despite several court appearances - there is still no publically available date of birth (day, month, year) for 'Brenton Tarrant' to be found on the Internet.
 

VNvet

Kingfisher
rockoman said:
Just think about all the times in life when you are required to give your date of birth. Think about your personal documents which include it.

..... and yet

More than ten months after the events in Christchurch - and despite several court appearances - there is still no publically available date of birth (day, month, year) for 'Brenton Tarrant' to be found on the Internet.

Yes, this event was staged, and very poorly at that.

You can see the shell casings disappearing midair.
No blood.
The bodies look like mannequins. Everyone just crowded into two corners, really?
No one reacts when they see a guy in full body armor wielding an "assault rifle" walking down the street.
Tarrant had questionable funding - cryptocurrency, really?
'Brenton Tarrant' appears to be a ghost (haven't verified this).
Satanic soundtrack.
He video recorded it, and someone just happened to save it.
It led to gun control.
He posted the link of the alleged stream on fed 8chan.
He gives the 666/Ok symbol to the camera during court. Nice little signature.

Yeah, this event was fake as hell and very sloppy. I give it a 4/10.
 

beta_plus

Pelican
I'm reading a BBC article that of course gave plenty of room to report what the victims and victims relatives said at his sentencing.

All I can think is that I will probably sometime in the future read about them committing crimes against white Christians.
 

testosterone

Robin
Non-Christian
Found out recently that our "no mass shootings since 1996" wankery goes by our own definition or 5 or more shot. The international standard is 4.
Forget about how most of the registries are usually wrong, or have been hacked like the tassie one a couple of years ago. Seem to recall a number of firearms owner had their stuff nicked after that too.

Just remember the government can do no wrong. :mad:

So many things are illegal. I remember as a kid, we use to drive 5 hours to the border in order to play paintball.
 

Punchitchewie

 
Banned
So many things are illegal. I remember as a kid, we use to drive 5 hours to the border in order to play paintball.
Pretty much anything fun in Karenland has become illegal. Than the government wonders why all teenagers do is binge drink and play video games.
My grandad was a farmer. I remember riding in the back of utes and trailers. Riding around with an open gun on a quad bike. As a farmer he had tnt.
I’m sure older people could list hundreds of simple things that the establishment Karen’s banned for our own good
 
Hmm interesting. I see many saying that this is fake. You're entitled to think and say as you please, no doubt, but if you who say this was staged show me the evidence that it was, I'd appreciate that. By staged I mean the entire ordeal was fake, form the bodies dropping, the body count, and the "families" who are "grieving".

Could this have been a planned attack? Yes. Could this have been used to take away gun rights? Yes. However the bodies of the deceased do have family members who have come on television during the trial and have been shown to be in pain and so forth. I believe it was a planned attack at the expense of citizens in order to push underlying agendas etc, something that is not new.

As I said, you're entitled to your opinions and views, that's what makes this forum great, we don't hound on one another like animals foaming at the mouth. I would like to see the whole mannequin argument, shell casings disapearing and so forth. Links would be appreciated as I've only seen the video through a news outlet not a independent source. Cheers.
 

EuropeanCanon

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
To be honest I have never watched anything to do with this event, not even the aftermath in New Zealand media. The moment I saw jerks like Jacinda Ardern and Marama Davidson wearing head scarves with their smug little smiles I decided I had no need to see any of this. It did make me wonder how these female politicians would have acted if it had been christians been shot up and they were asked to wear a head scarf....
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
Hmm interesting. I see many saying that this is fake. You're entitled to think and say as you please, no doubt, but if you who say this was staged show me the evidence that it was, I'd appreciate that. By staged I mean the entire ordeal was fake, form the bodies dropping, the body count, and the "families" who are "grieving".

Could this have been a planned attack? Yes. Could this have been used to take away gun rights? Yes. However the bodies of the deceased do have family members who have come on television during the trial and have been shown to be in pain and so forth. I believe it was a planned attack at the expense of citizens in order to push underlying agendas etc, something that is not new.

As I said, you're entitled to your opinions and views, that's what makes this forum great, we don't hound on one another like animals foaming at the mouth. I would like to see the whole mannequin argument, shell casings disapearing and so forth. Links would be appreciated as I've only seen the video through a news outlet not a independent source. Cheers.
How about this, a couple of days after the shooting they had a meeting in the mosques main hall, the photo is online, the carpet hadn't even been changed.

A couple of days wouldn't have been long enough to clear the crime scene of that magnitude, let alone source an identical carpet, clean the blood up, patch the bullet holes, then lay a new carpet.
 

Elmore

 
Banned
I watched the video not long after it occurred. I wasnt watching with a 'critical eye', but my feeling is that they dont need to fake this stuff.

Do you really think the people who would have ordered give a fig if some Muslim NPCs get shot? Why would they care. Plenty more where that came from.

I absolutely believe there's a lot of fakery out there these days, but events that would need the utter complicity of scores of people? Its too messy.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Catholic
I watched the video not long after it occurred. I wasnt watching with a 'critical eye', but my feeling is that they dont need to fake this stuff.

It could be 'fake' in many ways and to varying degrees.

e.g. a false flag - a paid, state-sponsored black ops trained actor doing real shooting. 'Really' only 5 murders instead of 50. etc etc.

FYI they rammed gun confiscation through the day after. Laws like that usually take 6+ months to even draft.
 
Any terrorist attack where no one important dies is almost certainly a false flag a la Bologna 1980.

Throughout history, "terrorists", "freedom fighters", radical political activists, whatever you want to call them, killed important people. But in these modern terrorist attacks somehow no one important dies anymore. This makes me certain that all these "terrorist attacks" are false flag attacks done in cooperation with the secret services or someone else who is related to government or globalist structures, or whoever knows who.

The so-called "Muslim terrorism" is the most obvious example of that. We're made to believe that there are independent organized Muslim terrorist groups out there that are capable of doing things like 9/11 and sophisticated terror attacks in Paris and Brussels, yet these same terrorist groups have through all these years been somehow unable to kill a single important Western politician even though these politicians are not exactly living in bunkers but are out there in the open. If terrorism was such a threat for the West, why do politicians who should have feared the most feel so secure? It's almost as if they know they're never going to be targeted by the terrorists, right? For some reason, these terror groups that are "in war with the West" are somehow content to just kill random people in concerts and restaurants and never go after people who are actually important to the West, despite their supposed sophisticated networks. So either they're total idiots or they're in some way connected to the Western power structures. But then if they were such idiots that they would actually believe that they can achieve political goals through killing random teenagers on Ariana Grande concert, they would not be able to exist as a functional terror group to begin with because they would be to dumb to organize anything.

So because of this I'm extremely suspect of the narrative of all of these terrorist attacks, whether it's supposed to be done by the Muslims, white supremacists or whoever.

I mean just look in history how the actual terrorists operated. Gavrilo Princip didn't go to some coffee house in Vienna and shot 20 random Austrians, he killed an important person. Communist terrorists targeted important people. Anarchists targeted important people. Yet somehow we're made to believe that the modern political terrorists completely changed their modus operandi and think that it's a viable political strategy to shoot random people who have no power whatsoever?

After all, it's basically common knowledge that the Bologna 1980 attack was a false flag attribute to some mysterious fascist group, even though no one was able to explain how exactly this fascist group would benefit from killing 80 random Italians. There is a much more credible theory that it was done by the secret services, just like the other terror attacks in that time period in Italy.

Now I don't think that every single terrorist attack was a false flag. There are some cases of actual mental lunatics acting on their own and going on a rampage. I think Breivik was an actual terrorist because he killed people who were related to important people, and tried to kill important people. Also some of these Muslim attackers doing improvized badly planned attacks. But whenever there is a very well-organized attack in which no one important is even targeted, you can be sure it's a false flag until proven otherwise.
 
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Any terrorist attack where no one important dies is almost certainly a false flag a la Bologna 1980.

Throughout history, "terrorists", "freedom fighters", radical political activists, whatever you want to call them, killed important people. But in these modern terrorist attacks somehow no one important dies anymore. This makes me certain that all these "terrorist attacks" are false flag attacks done in cooperation with the secret services or someone else who is related to government or globalist structures, or whoever knows who.

The so-called "Muslim terrorism" is the most obvious example of that. We're made to believe that there are independent organized Muslim terrorist groups out there that are capable of doing things like 9/11 and sophisticated terror attacks in Paris and Brussels, yet these same terrorist groups have through all these years been somehow unable to kill a single important Western politician even though these politicians are not exactly living in bunkers but are out there in the open. If terrorism was such a threat for the West, why do politicians who should have feared the most feel so secure? It's almost as if they know they're never going to be targeted by the terrorists, right? For some reason, these terror groups that are "in war with the West" are somehow content to just kill random people in concerts and restaurants and never go after people who are actually important to the West, despite their supposed sophisticated networks. So either they're total idiots or they're in some way connected to the Western power structures. But then if they were such idiots that they would actually believe that they can achieve political goals through killing random teenagers on Ariana Grande concert, they would not be able to exist as a functional terror group to begin with because they would be to dumb to organize anything.

So because of this I'm extremely suspect of the narrative of all of these terrorist attacks, whether it's supposed to be done by the Muslims, white supremacists or whoever.

I mean just look in history how the actual terrorists operated. Gavrilo Princip didn't go to some coffee house in Vienna and shot 20 random Austrians, he killed an important person. Communist terrorists targeted important people. Anarchists targeted important people. Yet somehow we're made to believe that the modern political terrorists completely changed their modus operandi and think that it's a viable political strategy to shoot random people who have no power whatsoever?

After all, it's basically common knowledge that the Bologna 1980 attack was a false flag attribute to some mysterious fascist group, even though no one was able to explain how exactly this fascist group would benefit from killing 80 random Italians. There is a much more credible theory that it was done by the secret services, just like the other terror attacks in that time period in Italy.

Now I don't think that every single terrorist attack was a false flag. There are some cases of actual mental lunatics acting on their own and going on a rampage. I think Breivik was an actual terrorist because he killed people who were related to important people, and tried to kill important people. Also some of these Muslim attackers doing improvized badly planned attacks. But whenever there is a very well-organized attack in which no one important is even targeted, you can be sure it's a false flag until proven otherwise.
Well put. We need to understand that these things are not "fake". If they are "fake" it is in the sense that they are planned and orchestrated as a means to an end for certain groups that are in deals with one another. But to say there are no dead bodies or grieving families? That's just absurd and puts you in the same category as the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth crowd. Reality is just that, reality, however the reasons and trugh behind the realities we experience are what we MUST chase and strive to find out.
 
But to say there are no dead bodies or grieving families? That's just absurd and puts you in the same category as the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth crowd. Reality is just that, reality, however the reasons and trugh behind the realities we experience are what we MUST chase and strive to find out.
How so? In any given massacre, most of the time it is much more likely that the bodies/greving families are fake than it is earth being flat yet it's impossible to see beyond the horizon or that epicycles are a good explanation for orbit. What makes the category the same?
 

kazz

Kingfisher
Conspiracy theories on the forum are outrageous at times, I love this one. Your saying Brenton was an actor? If so who ever casted him should win an award, he should win an award to.

Mannequins? looks like they moving to me.... The open door but no one runs out... The door is to the next room which is open to the hallway, i guess they thought he may see them anyway so they they didnt do the fight or flight thing, but the freeze instead. Happens all the time, lots of animals do it, its a hard wired response. The shell casings? Really? Im no expert, perhaps they fall to fast and cant be seen...or any number of anomalies that could happen, if you guys are experts in this field I stand corrected.

End of the day this was not a false flag operation and the world is not flat.
 
Conspiracy theories on the forum are outrageous at times, I love this one. Your saying Brenton was an actor? If so who ever casted him should win an award, he should win an award to.

Mannequins? looks like they moving to me.... The open door but no one runs out... The door is to the next room which is open to the hallway, i guess they thought he may see them anyway so they they didnt do the fight or flight thing, but the freeze instead. Happens all the time, lots of animals do it, its a hard wired response. The shell casings? Really? Im no expert, perhaps they fall to fast and cant be seen...or any number of anomalies that could happen, if you guys are experts in this field I stand corrected.

End of the day this was not a false flag operation and the world is not flat.
I have not looked into it much, but at the time the original video/lifestream seemed too surreal or video gamey and the victims basically were just sitting/lying there waiting to get shot instead of fighting or flighting.
 
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