Should Homosexuality be Illegal?

Easy_C

Peacock
There is some debate as to the nature vs nurture argument with homosexuality.
Homosexuality is not one of the 10 commandments, so to put it in context it is a lesser sin than coveting your neighbor or dishonoring your parents, so I don't think it should receive the death penalty, but it should definitely be publicly banned, as @Easy_C says.

I know two younger women from my church who decided they were "lesbians" in their 20s. I know them very well, and they are not gay. I know one male friend, who is probably "naturally" gay. There is homosexuality present in nature, so there is some aspect of it that occurs naturally, but what we are seeing now is a much LARGER component is being triggered socially / through nurture. Does God care whether homosexuality comes from nature vs nurture? I'm not sure on an individual level, but on a societal level, the public acceptance is creating tons of more sinful homosexuality where there would otherwise be a much smaller "natural" amount in a society that didn't celebrate it.

Enforcement issues also exist with being gay or private guy acts. It's potentially hard to prove and extremely easy for authorities to abuse.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member



In The Divine Comedy there is a distinction between homosexuality and sodomy. Homosexuality is a passive sin of lust, while sodomy is an active sin and considered as violence against God. In Dante's time the punishment for sodomy, which has historically been connected with men grooming boys, was confiscation of property or capital punishment.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Gold Member
Illegal? Like the way Muslim countries toss gay people off a rooftop for being gay? We are better than that.

If a child is abused and subsequently turns out gay you want to put the kid in jail or kill him? I can’t get on board with this, but I disagree with (((woke capitalism ))) and trying to pretend all gays are good and whatnot.
 
For child abuse? 100% death penalty. Throw them against the wall, and shoot them.



If one is just "living their life" I am willing to live-and-let-live. I had a coworker at a previous job who was gay. He wasn't "pushy" at all. We're here to work, not discuss politics or religion.


At that previous job I had to click on a little "acknowledgement" for pride month a couple years ago. It wasn't anything "major" just "acknowledge" LGBTQRSTUV-people, and "be nice" to them is how I'd sum it up.

I didn't click it.

I told my boss that I was more than willing to be fired for it. He was cool about it. He, like everyone else, is 100% secular, and they all clicked it and moved on with their lives. I was the only one who didn't.

But that's the "direction" the winds are blowing.
 

Mike_Key

Woodpecker
Sorry if the following is too strong for some of you.

There was a dad named Gary Plauche that killed his son's kidnapper that was, as I understand it, a homosexual rapist. The dad killed his son's rapist on live TV.

The son later wrote a book responding to the killing. I'm unsure if the son became Poz'ed as is the contemporary vernacular - meaning infected or socially infected with SJQ/Post Modernism degenerate culture. The son may too have argued from an anti-killing of criminals perspective or from a "Love perspective", I Don't Know.

There is the idea out there that says, "keep in mind that many boys in your past situation end up as male prostitutes or as someone on Meth and hard drugs with no teeth. Consider that your Dad was reacting to protecting his son from immediate and future destruction, disaster and possible death, it wasn't short term thinking?"

Edit: Intended to insert here that Partial Birth Abortion (the ripping out of brains) happens, too Dad's kill to protect their kids. It's the way the world works. Good or bad - All I know is God is the ultimate judge and his judgement is perfect.


For those interested in the killing video go to Daily Motion:

"Father Shoots and Kills Sons Kidnapper In Airport For Revenge by NativeAmericanNews - Dailymotion"

On a side note, consider that if a family has a working mom then the kids may be more at risk for rape and abuse than if the family had more security and care taking. Also, if you leave kids under the care of older siblings, that too is a recipe for neglect. If the mom is a disaster or divorce is involved - then the horse may be out of the barn. Prayer, pray for the protection of your kids.

For the Jordan Peterson haters out there, do not respond, Thanks. Peterson is having to response to "Are you happy that you took the stand that you took?"

What?

He replied to that question saying, "Happy? I don't know about happy but the truth is the truth. Not any and everyone deserves respect and you can't force me to say something."

That's the world we live in (we are currently living in).

John 3:16
 
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Easy_C

Peacock
I’m not sure how the laws could be enforced against people who keep their proclivities private, but “pride parades” and public celebration of sin ought to bring on a fine at the very least.
And if you try you’re giving secular authorities carte Blanche in a manner very similar to how their “war on drugs” and “war on terror” powers were used. Enforcement would need to be only on public activities TO INCLUDE extremely lewd or otherwise disordered heterosexual activities.
 

kazz

Kingfisher
Minority groups should fall in line with majority groups, minority groups will just want more and more rights etc, etc why wouldn't they. First its trannys in womans sports, trannys in politics, first tranny President and Astronaut !

All it takes really is for someone to say no! Mostly the reason I liked Trump.

Gay people are a minority, their culture must integrate with the majority, its up to them to work out how to successfully do that. Its up to everyone else to say no more, set a precedent for NO, instead of yes all the time.

I dont think making it illegal would fix the problem.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
@Coja Petrus Uscan that guy in the video has a great accent..

A constructive step would be a grass roots movement to simply ban gay marriage again and maybe pride marches, not shootings or throwing off buildings..
 

Guitarman

Pelican
Obama was/ is definitely gay and one theory I have heard is that """Michelle""" is really "Michael", a trans. This is why Obama pushed for bowel marriage.

As for legality, Homosexuality should definitely be made illegal, starting with the declaration that marriage is a holy institution and should only be between a man and a woman. This would be the first step in stamping this evil out. Then, as the Chinese have recently done, be declared a mental disorder. This would pave the way for research into the causes of this disorder(s), and possible treatment and cures for some individuals. Also protection of children against abuse would undoubtedly greatly reduce the numbers of the sexually mentally ill that we have in society. "Gender studies" research in the future would be focused on mental health and treatments for the disorders (including of course religious cures) and not on promotion of degenerate/mentally ill lifestyles.

Where prosecution would be appropriate is in the banning of sexually mental disorder (call it SMD) rallies and promotion and enabling venues. All establishments, bars, clubs and organisations that promote and enable SMDs should also be closed and any attempts to open such organisations or venues result in prosecution. For example, those attempting to run a rally or demonstration promoting SMD would be arrested and sentenced.

A massive public re-education program would then be needed to undo decades of damage done to western civilisation by those with an SMD. Plus mass purging of media to remove degenerate SMD promotional materials and enabling websites/ apps- all purged.

These measures would also be applied; medical treatment (and if necessary, arrest) to deal with all the other """Gender""" degenerate nonsense that has been pushed as part of the subversion of western civilisation. Yuri Besmenov in one of his interviews highlighted SMD activism as a demoralisation program.

In addition, as an Englishman, I would like to see the Church of England clean up it's act in this regard. There are currently a huge amount of Clergy with SMDs in positions within the church. Considering the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, this evil disgusting state of affairs cannot be allowed to continue. Some of the problems we face here in the UK;





Curious if there is anyone here who is still not aware that Obama is and always has been a butt pirate. When I learned this, from a very reliable source in Chicago, it all made sense... his obsession with all things gay, gay rights, hiring more gays for federal jobs, White House lit up in rainbow colors, openly gay ambassadors at some overseas embassies, two lesbos appointed to Supreme Court, etc., etc.

https://rense.com/general95/onemanuel.html
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PaulC

Robin
In the olden days, big city police departments would occasionally station an officer behind a large one-way mirror in public men's rooms to catch homosexuals and pedophiles. Homosexuals were also placed in mental institutions. Homosexuality was taken off the list of mental disorders only after the homosexuals starting rioting and showing up at the homes and businesses of doctors. It wasn't a clinical decision.

It was also funded and directed by the Jews as part of their overall war on white Christian America (along with removing obscenity laws, the 1965 immigration act, feminism, the never-ending Holocaust hoax/grift, etc.)
 
Obama was/ is definitely gay and one theory I have heard is that """Michelle""" is really "Michael", a trans. This is why Obama pushed for bowel marriage.

As for legality, Homosexuality should definitely be made illegal, starting with the declaration that marriage is a holy institution and should only be between a man and a woman. This would be the first step in stamping this evil out. Then, as the Chinese have recently done, be declared a mental disorder. This would pave the way for research into the causes of this disorder(s), and possible treatment and cures for some individuals. Also protection of children against abuse would undoubtedly greatly reduce the numbers of the sexually mentally ill that we have in society. "Gender studies" research in the future would be focused on mental health and treatments for the disorders (including of course religious cures) and not on promotion of degenerate/mentally ill lifestyles.

Where prosecution would be appropriate is in the banning of sexually mental disorder (call it SMD) rallies and promotion and enabling venues. All establishments, bars, clubs and organisations that promote and enable SMDs should also be closed and any attempts to open such organisations or venues result in prosecution. For example, those attempting to run a rally or demonstration promoting SMD would be arrested and sentenced.

A massive public re-education program would then be needed to undo decades of damage done to western civilisation by those with an SMD. Plus mass purging of media to remove degenerate SMD promotional materials and enabling websites/ apps- all purged.

These measures would also be applied; medical treatment (and if necessary, arrest) to deal with all the other """Gender""" degenerate nonsense that has been pushed as part of the subversion of western civilisation. Yuri Besmenov in one of his interviews highlighted SMD activism as a demoralisation program.

In addition, as an Englishman, I would like to see the Church of England clean up it's act in this regard. There are currently a huge amount of Clergy with SMDs in positions within the church. Considering the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, this evil disgusting state of affairs cannot be allowed to continue. Some of the problems we face here in the UK;






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I know the CoE is and in my estimation always has been pretty much a meme, but surely the last thing goes too far, even for the CoE. Imagine having a priest giving you the sacraments that openly lives together with a man and commits sodomy on the daily. Disgusting.
 
There is some debate as to the nature vs nurture argument with homosexuality.
Homosexuality is not one of the 10 commandments, so to put it in context it is a lesser sin than coveting your neighbor or dishonoring your parents, so I don't think it should receive the death penalty, but it should definitely be publicly banned, as @Easy_C says.

I know two younger women from my church who decided they were "lesbians" in their 20s. I know them very well, and they are not gay. I know one male friend, who is probably "naturally" gay. There is homosexuality present in nature, so there is some aspect of it that occurs naturally, but what we are seeing now is a much LARGER component is being triggered socially / through nurture. Does God care whether homosexuality comes from nature vs nurture? I'm not sure on an individual level, but on a societal level, the public acceptance is creating tons of more sinful homosexuality where there would otherwise be a much smaller "natural" amount in a society that didn't celebrate it.

Of course the transsexual thing is completely 100% mental illness, except perhaps to the extent of hermaphrodites or people who were sexually damaged by Jewish genital mutilation like David Reimer
You're right, it's nurturing at it's core. Take a look at this.


A 8 (!) times increase to 1 in 5 now in only 5 years. The propaganda is working.
 
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DanielH

Pelican
You're right, it's nurturing at it's core. Take a look at this.


A 8 (!) times increase to 1 in 5 now in only 5 years. The propaganda is working.
The cycles of civilization are the same as the cycles of sexual morality. There are very strong arguments for sexual morality being one of the main determining factors for the success of a civilization.

And yes, homosexuality should be illegal. At a minimum it should be banned in government, teaching, military, clerical roles, and honestly anything that controls anything else, such as HR. It is toxic. The Church fathers call it as bad or worse than murder, as it kills the soul as well as the body, and it spreads like an infectious disease. Whenever someone is molested, or whenever someone becomes addicted to pornography, there is a chance they become homosexual, becoming sexual degenerates, and spreading that plague.

Some of you reading this may think this is extreme, but if you survive the civilizational collapse that we're heading towards and you look back on this, you won't think so in retrospect.
 

JohnQThomas

Woodpecker
Stage 1 happened decades ago. We just finished Stage 3 - try to avoid seeing a sodomy flag in the month of June in the US. Now it's stage 4/5 slowly being implemented.
Twelve states have banned using being tricked into sex by a tranny (which should be rape by today's standards) as a defense for violently reacting to discovering Caitlin's penis.
Indeed, obtaining sex through deception should be prosecuted as rape.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Fun fact: Somewhere between 10-20 years ago I was doing a job in Colorado, near Aspen. That town was (and maybe still is) the home of national Gay Ski Week. While I was working the general contractor was chit-chatting, and telling me how his niece was a hotel maid, and had just recently endured the aforementioned Gay Ski Week. The guy told me a number of anecdotes about what his niece saw and experienced. The stuff ranged from messes (talk about a bio-hazard!) in the rooms resulting from fecal play, to the poor girl with her maid cart, waiting for the elevator, and when it stops and opens, a flamer is in there corn-holing another flamer in the corner. Then he said to me something like "You know, I never used to think much about gays or care about what they did in private, but now that I've heard my niece's stories, I'm starting to hate them too."

The Onion had a hilarious article on this phenomenon.....20 years ago of course. Warning that it has several pictures of nearly naked homosexuals and I won't directly link to it for that reason, but it's the first search result here--again, there are disgusting pictures as well as disgustingly "descriptive" verbiage in the article itself, be warned:

 
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lskdfjldsf

Pelican
Gold Member
My wife was raised in a Catholic family -- mass every Sunday, CCD, receiving the Sacraments, regular Bible study. One of her sisters is mid-20s, covered in self-inflicted cut marks, very liberal, emotionally immature, and has been dating guys off and on since we first met. A few months ago, she "came out" as a lesbian and started bringing bulldykes home to family gatherings.

The first time we saw her with a girlfriend there, we had our young kids present. They made it a point to kiss, cuddle, hold hands, and act as smug as possible in front of us and our children knowing we were traditional Catholic and had very different beliefs. Of all the boyfriends she's had home, there were never any instances of PDA (basic courtesy even for straight couples in group settings) but the "lesbian" in her brought it out. I prefer putting "lesbian" in quotation marks because it's crystal clear the issue is low self-esteem and not same-sex attraction, and that the entire movement is an outlet for emotionally insecure people to claim victimhood and be given brownie points by a degenerate society.

The day after, we told her parents flat out that we did not want our children exposed to lesbian PDA, in the same way we wouldn't want our children exposed to shoplifting, and for the shoplifter to be tolerated and celebrated and praised. A big fight followed and continues to this day. Her "Catholic" parents immediately pounced on us with videos, articles, and other sources from (obviously liberal) "priests" claiming that homosexuality isn't a sin, and that it's nothing to condemn.

We try to be patient and forgiving as we're commanded, but this situation brings out the worst in us. There is something fundamentally wrong with homosexuals at a level far beyond basic sexual attraction to the same gender. It's never about tolerance or acceptance, it's about rubbing it in our faces and forcing us to celebrate it. What's most sad is that many Catholics and other Christians (like my wife's parents) are more afraid of offending their "lesbian" daughter than offending God, and remaining true to their beliefs. It's a complete 180 degree turn on a lifetime of Christian belief, and of course, we're the evil and judgmental ones for not wanting our children exposed to it.

I have always been patient and tolerant in the truest sense towards gays. After the last few months of fighting with family over this issue, I believe it should be criminalized.
 

Joe316

Robin
The day after, we told her parents flat out that we did not want our children exposed to lesbian PDA, in the same way we wouldn't want our children exposed to shoplifting, and for the shoplifter to be tolerated and celebrated and praised. A big fight followed and continues to this day. Her "Catholic" parents immediately pounced on us with videos, articles, and other sources from (obviously liberal) "priests" claiming that homosexuality isn't a sin, and that it's nothing to condemn.

Though the question is, why you are using quotation marks. Are these gays they referred you to ordained Catholic priests or not? I mean one can't start calling himself a Catholic priest out of nowhere, can you? If they are ordained by a bishop then they have authority based on apostolic succession. And if they declare that homosexuality is not a sin, then they either get excommunicated for heresy/blasphemy or they are teaching Roman Catholic Church doctrine.

That means technically they are right and you are wrong. Do you really want to be in the same church as these people?
 

DanielH

Pelican
Though the question is, why you are using quotation marks. Are these gays they referred you to ordained Catholic priests or not? I mean one can't start calling himself a Catholic priest out of nowhere, can you? If they are ordained by a bishop then they have authority based on apostolic succession. And if they declare that homosexuality is not a sin, then they either get excommunicated for heresy/blasphemy or they are teaching Roman Catholic Church doctrine.

That means technically they are right and you are wrong. Do you really want to be in the same church as these people?
I'm not Roman Catholic but seems like a good opportunity to contact those priests' bishops and root out some heresy.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Kingfisher
Though the question is, why you are using quotation marks. Are these gays they referred you to ordained Catholic priests or not? I mean one can't start calling himself a Catholic priest out of nowhere, can you? If they are ordained by a bishop then they have authority based on apostolic succession. And if they declare that homosexuality is not a sin, then they either get excommunicated for heresy/blasphemy or they are teaching Roman Catholic Church doctrine.

That means technically they are right and you are wrong. Do you really want to be in the same church as these people?
This is a bit of useless wordplay, but apparently the Catholic canon states that homosexual identity is not a sin, but homosexual thoughts and actions are.

Of course, this is a distinction without a difference. Homosexuality is wrong.
 
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