Should Homosexuality be Illegal?

There was a dad named Gary Plauche that killed his son's kidnapper that was, as I understand it, a homosexual rapist. The dad killed his son's rapist on live TV.
A little footnote to warm everyone's heart: after icing his son's rapist, Gary Plauche had to do a few years of probation and that was it. No prison time.

The deep South is like a different country.
 

lskdfjldsf

Pelican
Gold Member
Though the question is, why you are using quotation marks. Are these gays they referred you to ordained Catholic priests or not? I mean one can't start calling himself a Catholic priest out of nowhere, can you? If they are ordained by a bishop then they have authority based on apostolic succession. And if they declare that homosexuality is not a sin, then they either get excommunicated for heresy/blasphemy or they are teaching Roman Catholic Church doctrine.

That means technically they are right and you are wrong. Do you really want to be in the same church as these people?

They were not Catholic priests. Lots of articles and videos and analysis by Protestant types you see in TikTok clips who wear rainbow sashes and say that transphobia is the real sin.

It reinforces why I am a Catholic and why I greatly respect the Orthodox churches. It's fatherly, tough, consistent. Sometimes we all need to be smacked and told "no!" as a father would, instead of caving in without consequence as a mother would. For many in this political environment, they simply go window shopping for a new denomination when true theology contradicts secular political beliefs.

Basically, they tossed a lifetime of Catholic upbringing aside like a used napkin the second it became inconvenient.
 

Joe316

Robin
They were not Catholic priests. Lots of articles and videos and analysis by Protestant types you see in TikTok clips who wear rainbow sashes and say that transphobia is the real sin.

The term "priest" is usually used for Catholic and Orthodox clergy. So are there "priests" who preach acting out homosexuality not being a sin, or are they "pastors", "senior lead pastors", "youth pastors", "chief evangelists" etc.? Because anyone can call himself a pastor.

We need to clear this up, because on this forum people are used to redefining terms to bring them in line with their personal worldview. This is something our leftist culture has extensively promoted (including redefining "male" and "female"), so even self-proclaimed traditionals have adopted these customs.

We can't properly communicate, if we continue to do this.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox
This is a bit of useless wordplay, but apparently the Catholic canon states that homosexual identity is not a sin, but homosexual thoughts and actions are.

Of course, this is a distinction without a difference. Homosexuality is wrong.
I do believe that there is a miniscule part of the population that feels an attraction to their own sex. And up until about 5 years ago, this would be a very terrible thing to admit to anyone, so it's not something one would come to by choice. Throughout most of history, it would be a very horrible life to choose.

I'm not sure what "homosexual identity" means, but I think the above is saying that merely being born with that attraction is not sinful, but it is sinful if one does the gross buttsex stuff or even just has lustful fantasies about it. That makes sense to me. Marriage is not for 100% of people. The reality is that homosexuality is a form of mental illness and there is no treatment for it, so the moral thing to do is for one to ignore those thoughts.

Of course what we are talking about is like 1 or 2% of the population. The article above refers to something like 20% of the public now feeling gay. Obviously the much larger problem is the societal acceptance, which creates the "gay through nurture" phenomenon which is 10x or more larger than the nature.

There will always be difficult questions in society, and we cannot create a perfect world. The best we can do as imperfect humans is focus on where we can make the greatest change. There should be no public celebrations of sexuality, hetero or homo, in parades or such. It should not be discussed in schools. There should be no homo civil unions (really there should be no civil marriage). You don't even have to condemn it, just not talking about it and celebrating it will cut the numbers way down.
 

Anomaly

Sparrow
I suggest anyone who understand the homosexual question to read the work of the now-deceased Catholic psychologist Joseph Nicolosi, a great man. I have his book, Preventing Male Homosexuality. Raising a son in this hellscape, I thought I should get a copy.

Yes, I think it should be illegal and believe about it what some great Saints had to say about it, such as Pius V and Peter Damian, namely that homosexual sex is one of the most vile acts a man can do with his body.

I don not hate individual homosexuals, but as a social force, they are to be hated, as they’ve shown they want to spread homosexuality, with the likely trailing result of pederasty, something that clearly follows homosexuality or is that which in some causes homosexuality from a warping of sexuality at young ages.

Homosexuality is dangerous and that’s a reason why our ancestors took harsh measures against it, unlike modern Anglospherians who rather die than be rude and take the necessary steps to prevent civilization from dying!

Homosexuality as a social force is a pro-death force.
 

Joe316

Robin
I'm only familiar with Catholic terminology.

It's important to not muddle the water, because that's what they want.

Whatever you want to call these types. There are many of them in many denominations:

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On the surface this guy looks like being dressed like Protestant clergy: The black pulpit gown is meant to emphasize the office, not the man. But on top of it he is wearing a rainbow contradicting the point of the pulpit gown (to not exalt the man).

Conclusion: He is not a Protestant Christian, he is a homosexual pagan in disguise.
 

Rush87

Hummingbird
I think we’ve learnt by now that you can’t stop progress once one domino falls, so homosexuality can never be legalized if society is to avoid descending into its current state.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
With all the destruction this "community" has caused, I think its destine to become ostracised again and perhaps even made illegal. Of all the cases one can make against homosexuality, the best ever made was made by the homosexuals themselves. I realize this seems a bit outrageous given how prominent this "community" is for the moment. But elsewhere we have fat acceptance, cross dressing, trans-species, trans-racial, trans disabled...etc, etc, etc. Its clown world and clowns don't make for sustainable economic systems or societies.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Gold Member
In the olden days, big city police departments would occasionally station an officer behind a large one-way mirror in public men's rooms to catch homosexuals and pedophiles. Homosexuals were also placed in mental institutions. Homosexuality was taken off the list of mental disorders only after the homosexuals starting rioting and showing up at the homes and businesses of doctors. It wasn't a clinical decision.

It was also funded and directed by the Jews as part of their overall war on white Christian America (along with removing obscenity laws, the 1965 immigration act, feminism, the never-ending Holocaust hoax/grift, etc.)
Anti Sodomy laws are on the books in 11 states, regardless of heterosexual or homosexual, or even if it’s just oral sex
These laws are not enforced generally.

 

Mikeyd03

Robin
Was once of the mindset of "live and let live", however it is obvious that open acceptance of homosexuality has become a slippery slope.

homosexuality -->Gay marriage -->accept transgenderism -->normalize transgenderism --->Child mutilation --->Sexualizing children. Not really sure how it can get worse than it is......but then again Kaitlyn Jenner is currently entering the political realm.

Homosexuality should not be accepted by society. Shame moreso than government/law should be the deterrent. Less government, MORE SHAME.
 

Enoch

Ostrich
Homosexuals reproduce by molesting kids and early teens, many of whom are introduced to homosexual concepts in school classrooms. They get off partially on the wrongness of their actions so I'm not sure the law is the solution.

Homeschooling your kids and establishing local communities of vetted individuals is the long-term fix to this problem IMO.
 
Yes, it should be a capital offense. God says they should be put to death, so it's not up for any Biblical debate. That said, like most sin, there is a behavioral genesis to homosexuality. They were once children who were preyed on - molested, raped, what have you. Hurt people hurt people, so the victims became the predators. We should always hope and pray for them to repent first, while still standing up for God's judgment. I've lived a wretched life of promiscuity, porn, alcohol and drug abuse, lazines. I have been prideful, greedy, unbelieving, etc etc. I too deserve to die for my sins but was shown mercy and grace by God. There is a certain balance of punishment and mercy. We should stand up for rightful punishment but always seek to show mercy first.
 

jollycynic

Sparrow
A lot of atheists and leftists like to try to undermine the harsh biblical standard against homosexuality by arguments along the line that it's just another sin, nothing special or different than stealing, gambling or whatever else.

IMO the justification for the harsher standard against sodomy is that while people may struggle with sin and with the morality of their actions, gays don't struggle. They fully commit to their proclivities and expect the rest of existence, including God Himself to bend and accommodate. That combination of hubris and total embrace of sin is what makes homosexuality a more dangerous sin than most.
 
A lot of atheists and leftists like to try to undermine the harsh biblical standard against homosexuality by arguments along the line that it's just another sin, nothing special or different than stealing, gambling or whatever else.

IMO the justification for the harsher standard against sodomy is that while people may struggle with sin and with the morality of their actions, gays don't struggle. They fully commit to their proclivities and expect the rest of existence, including God Himself to bend and accommodate. That combination of hubris and total embrace of sin is what makes homosexuality a more dangerous sin than most.
Fully agree.

Amongst other things, God is our father. A father understands his children make mistakes and it doesn't make him love them any less. God the Father knows we live in perhaps the most sinful period in history, with more temptation than ever. He knows we will trip up often. What he wants is for us to be honest with him, and by extension with ourselves, about our struggles and mistakes. But far too many cannot humble themselves enough to be truly honest. Some homos are repentant but most are notorious not just for their sin but for taking pride in it. Although I've never engaged in that lifestyle, I can relate. There was a stretch in my 20s where my promiscuity with women left me in a similar state. I drenched my lustful ego in booze and cigarettes and weed and it wasn't enough that I couldn't face God, I felt a sick satisfaction in going against him. I finally got down on my knees and called out to Jesus to save me, and although I certainly still sin, I now utterly hate that sinful nature. They call this double mindedness. Before Christ is in us, we have only our sinful nature. With God, we still have that nature but now we have these two opposing forces. Most homos never accept Christ, so they simply only have that evil sinful nature.
 

Aubert

Chicken
The problem with homosexuality is that it is used as a tool to subvert traditional men and traditional masculine cultures.

For instance, I have seen that in male-only spaces are called, "Homosexual' since why would men want to be left alone. The only reason might be that they are homosexuals. Homosexuality is used to break male friendships and male solidarity hence its easier to get the men fighting with each other.
 
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