Should Homosexuality be Illegal?

The Penitent Man

Woodpecker
No, but the government should actively have anti-homosexual propaganda (as well as pro- heterosexual family propaganda) and ban homosexual adoptions and not recognize homosexual marriages (they can have their ceremonies but it would be meaningless as far as the government was concerned just at the silly woman marrying a bridge was). I favor limited government and don't feel the govt. needs to be peeking into bedrooms. Discrimination against homosexuals should be legal as far as businesses are concerned. Nobody should have to make a cake for homosexual weddings. The government should not support any taxpayer funded efforts to encourage homosexuality (such as paying for rainbow flags at government buildings) and pro-homosexuality propaganda should be banned from being displayed at government buildings. .
I think you just described the ‘90s.
 
The LGBT have never had it so easy and so good in America as they do in the year 2021. What's so sad is that Washington State in general , and Western Washington in particular will never agree to anything or any cause or laws that frowns upon LGBT or anything that would make the LGBT community feel "unwelcomed and not appreciated". Governor Jay Inslee is so pro gay that it makes me wonder if he is gay! Even before Washington State officially became a deep blue state in the November 2000 elections , the state had already gone off the far left end of the political spectrum. Socially progressive societies and states that embrace Communism , LGBT , and Critical Race Theory , Cancel Culture , etc. are doomed for failure.

Washington State is a "Triple DDD" state which means that we have a Far Left Democrat Governor and 2 Far Left Democrat Senators. The mayor of Seattle is a Feminist Socialist ( far left ) and I guess a lesbian who welcomes "refugees" who have connections and ties and affiliations with Muslim Terrorist groups such as ISIS / ISIL. Eastern Washington is getting fed up with the far out , far left politics of Western Washington ruining the state. The kids in elementary school are being taught the comprehensive sex ed curriculum. The very weak and ineffective and RINO filled Washington State GOP has not done anything of significance to oppose the Political Left's agenda and goals. The closest we had was in 2018 when Joey Gibson tried to become a Politician. He is the leader of the Patriot Prayer group. He lost the election , and Susan Hutchison who was the Nominee to run for the GOP she was just a weak RINO who would automatically cave in and give in to whatever the Political Left had planned for the state of Washington.

I have a gay step-brother who has not faced any significant homophobia. He has been treated with dignity and respect by both liberals and conservatives. He greatly embellishes and exaggerates the amount of homophobia that he faced as a teenager in the 1980's and when he was in his 20's in the 1990's , he lied about being bullied and harassed by "intolerant Christian Bigots". The problem with websites / blogs is that anyone can start up a website / blog and have journal entry articles about their life experiences , the problems , difficulties , and obstacles and hurdles that they have faced. He has had an easy life except for when his best friend died in a car accident right before Thanksgiving 1990 , and his parents broke up in the summer of 1991. But he was happy that his parents broke up. He is anti heterosexual. He calls heterosexuals "breeders" which is a very derogatory term used by the LGBT for straight people.

He feels that Christians and the religion of Christianity is more dangerous than the book Mein Kampf. The reason he feels that way is because America fought against the Germans in World War 2 , Hitler killed himself , and he is a "villain". America looked at Third Reich Germany and Adolf Hitler as being the enemy. He feels scared and get's paranoid because the Red States of America does not look at Jesus Christ and Christianity as being the enemy. It's mainly just the blue states of America that doesn't like Jesus Christ and Christianity.

My step-brother considers and feels that Christianity is much more dangerous than anything else , because it is not universally frowned upon , condemned , and despised and outlawed. He just turned 51 years old. He felt that LGBT people were going to lose all their rights when Donald Trump was President. He was wrong. The LGBT did not lose any rights when Donald Trump was President. A lot of gays are paranoid and they make a mountain out of a mole hill , and they feel "persecuted" by American Society , yet he has lived in a deep blue state his whole life and he has faced hardly any opposition. The LGBT has a very easy life in Washington State mainly because they do not face any discrimination , or opposition , and they are totally accepted by American Society in Washington State. They should be thanking their lucky stars that they have it as easy as they do in the Left Coast.
 
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I think you just described the ‘90s.
Castration
The 1980's was the last decade that the LGBT faced any sort of discrimination and they were frowned upon in at least half the states of America. 1992-1993 was when the LGBT got all these special rights and privileges and they were being promoted by MTV's "free your mind" program. The College campuses in the 1990's were very gay friendly and the Professors were teaching Pro LGBT courses and having LGBT acceptance lectures and they were totally out of the closet , and in the 1990's it was socially acceptable in America to be openly gay. The last time in America that LGBT was frowned upon was 1985. Starting in October of 1985 LGBT acceptance and approval became a cause and a goal of the Political Left. The handsome and highly respected gay actor Rock Hudson died from AIDS in October of 1985. Ever since his death , the LGBT have not faced any defeats or setbacks. The Christian Right spoke negatively of them on Christian Radio programs , but it's mainly elderly people in the South and the Mid-West that listen to Christian Radio programs. President Bill Clinton and his ultra liberal cronies made sure that the LGBT got everything that they wanted and demanded.
 
The 1980's was the last decade that the LGBT faced any sort of discrimination and they were frowned upon in at least half the states of America. 1992-1993 was when the LGBT got all these special rights and privileges and they were being promoted by MTV's "free your mind" program. The College campuses in the 1990's were very gay friendly and the Professors were teaching Pro LGBT courses and having LGBT acceptance lectures and they were totally out of the closet , and in the 1990's it was socially acceptable in America to be openly gay. The last time in America that LGBT was frowned upon was 1985. Starting in October of 1985 LGBT acceptance and approval became a cause and a goal of the Political Left. The handsome and highly respected gay actor Rock Hudson died from AIDS in October of 1985. Ever since his death , the LGBT have not faced any defeats or setbacks. The Christian Right spoke negatively of them on Christian Radio programs , but it's mainly elderly people in the South and the Mid-West that listen to Christian Radio programs. President Bill Clinton and his ultra liberal cronies made sure that the LGBT got everything that they wanted and demanded.

The stonewall riots were one of the turning points. How did society respond? Capitulation.
 
As I have mentioned elsewhere, I am someone who has turned away from homosexual activity to follow Christ. I would support re-criminalisation of sodomy, elimination of same-sex civil unions, and a ban on all LGBT propaganda, but to achieve any of that, a re-evangelisation of our countries must take place. The things mentioned above (sodomy, same-sex civil unions, propaganda...) are the disease; the virus itself is the de-Christianisation of our countries, and I think we have to look there first.
 

Gimlet

Kingfisher
The 1980's was the last decade that the LGBT faced any sort of discrimination and they were frowned upon in at least half the states of America. 1992-1993 was when the LGBT got all these special rights and privileges and they were being promoted by MTV's "free your mind" program. The College campuses in the 1990's were very gay friendly and the Professors were teaching Pro LGBT courses and having LGBT acceptance lectures and they were totally out of the closet , and in the 1990's it was socially acceptable in America to be openly gay. The last time in America that LGBT was frowned upon was 1985. Starting in October of 1985 LGBT acceptance and approval became a cause and a goal of the Political Left. The handsome and highly respected gay actor Rock Hudson died from AIDS in October of 1985. Ever since his death , the LGBT have not faced any defeats or setbacks. The Christian Right spoke negatively of them on Christian Radio programs , but it's mainly elderly people in the South and the Mid-West that listen to Christian Radio programs. President Bill Clinton and his ultra liberal cronies made sure that the LGBT got everything that they wanted and demanded.

I was a teen in the 80s. Gayness was pushed on me the entire time. The horse had already run out of the barn by the 80s. By 1983 I was confused, and mainstream folk were afraid of being bigots.

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I was a teen in the 80s. Gayness was pushed on me the entire time. The horse had already run out of the barn by the 80s. By 1983 I was confused, and mainstream folk were afraid of being bigots.

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Sad but true. In blue states and cities in the 1980's , Boy George and the hairspray glam metal / hard rock bands were very popular. Gays became a powerful force and a staple of conversation starting in October of 1985 when Rock Hudson died. Like I said in a previous post , before Rock Hudson's death in October of 1985 , LGBT was frowned upon and not socially acceptable. But when Rock Hudson died , it unlocked the closet doors and they became stylish , trendy , and socially acceptable. Being a bigot became frowned upon , Robert Jay Mathews died in a fiery shootout with the F.B.I. and the A.T.F. on December 8 , 1984 on Whidbey Island in Washington State. Truth be told , Robert Jay Mathews did not have many people that agreed with him or his views or goals. I remember my babysitters male friends who were Seniors in High School in 1984-1985 telling me that they thought that watching 2 lipstick lesbians "in action" with each other was a major turn on for straight men. I have never been turned on by lipstick lesbians engaging in homosexual activities with each other. So they were wrong. It turned them on , but it never turned me on.
 

Gimlet

Kingfisher
Sad but true. In blue states and cities in the 1980's , Boy George and the hairspray glam metal / hard rock bands were very popular. Gays became a powerful force and a staple of conversation starting in October of 1985 when Rock Hudson died. Like I said in a previous post , before Rock Hudson's death in October of 1985 , LGBT was frowned upon and not socially acceptable. But when Rock Hudson died , it unlocked the closet doors and they became stylish , trendy , and socially acceptable. Being a bigot became frowned upon , Robert Jay Mathews died in a fiery shootout with the F.B.I. and the A.T.F. on December 8 , 1984 on Whidbey Island in Washington State. Truth be told , Robert Jay Mathews did not have many people that agreed with him or his views or goals. I remember my babysitters male friends who were Seniors in High School in 1984-1985 telling me that they thought that watching 2 lipstick lesbians "in action" with each other was a major turn on for straight men. I have never been turned on by lipstick lesbians engaging in homosexual activities with each other. So they were wrong. It turned them on , but it never turned me on.

I was born and raised in 2 different Great Plains states, to this day they are still "red". I was there, homosexuality was already acceptable unless you were an evil bigot. I suspect you are much younger and were not there, and are basing your opinion your reading of history. I don't mean that as an insult , but you don't know anything about the zeitgeist of that era.
 
I was born and raised in 2 different Great Plains states, to this day they are still "red". I was there, homosexuality was already acceptable unless you were an evil bigot. I suspect you are much younger and were not there, and are basing your opinion your reading of history. I don't mean that as an insult , but you don't know anything about the zeitgeist of that era.
I just turned 42 years old. I have lived in The Seattle Metro Area / Western Washington for pretty much my whole life. My area is liberal beyond belief. We were taught in the K-12 Public Schools and also the Community College that I went to , that "red states" are not accepting of LGBT and that LGBT is frowned upon in "red states". My teachers and professors taught us that "blue states" were open minded , the people had evolved and were naturally accepting of alternative lifestyles. Being against homosexuality , bi-sexuality , transgendered , etc. was considered "wrong" and "bigoted". I had very liberal teachers and professors that tried to portray the South and the Mid-West as being backwards , and the West Coast and the East Coast as being "enlightened and evolved". I am surrounded by liberals some days. Other days when I keep my mouth shut or don't talk about anything that is considered politically incorrect , I don't get tarred and feathered. Liberals , when they have strength in numbers , they love to shove and force their far left views , values , and opinions and the leftist ideology down the throats of those that have not "evolved" and become an "enlightened leftist progressive". The Seattle Metro Area , the Portland Metro Area , and the San Francisco Bay Area are places to avoid like the plague! They are modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
 

The Penitent Man

Woodpecker
The 1980's was the last decade that the LGBT faced any sort of discrimination and they were frowned upon in at least half the states of America. 1992-1993 was when the LGBT got all these special rights and privileges and they were being promoted by MTV's "free your mind" program. The College campuses in the 1990's were very gay friendly and the Professors were teaching Pro LGBT courses and having LGBT acceptance lectures and they were totally out of the closet , and in the 1990's it was socially acceptable in America to be openly gay. The last time in America that LGBT was frowned upon was 1985. Starting in October of 1985 LGBT acceptance and approval became a cause and a goal of the Political Left. The handsome and highly respected gay actor Rock Hudson died from AIDS in October of 1985. Ever since his death , the LGBT have not faced any defeats or setbacks. The Christian Right spoke negatively of them on Christian Radio programs , but it's mainly elderly people in the South and the Mid-West that listen to Christian Radio programs. President Bill Clinton and his ultra liberal cronies made sure that the LGBT got everything that they wanted and demanded.
My point was that everything described in the prior post wasn’t codified into law or otherwise widely promoted in public as late as the 90s. No gay marriage, no rainbows being flown on government buildings, no gay cake baking, no homo adoptions, and no government funded propaganda forced upon the public.

And yet, the steady stream of gay pooled it’s way into all of those things just a few short years later. It was there back then because it was tolerated, just about to break down the door to all the aforementioned “barriers.” That’s the natural march of evil, which they refer to as progress.

Boo libertarianism. Make it illegal. Make it illegal to advocate. Because we did not legislate and enforce God’s morality they will legislate and enforce their own.
 
My point was that everything described in the prior post wasn’t codified into law or otherwise widely promoted in public as late as the 90s. No gay marriage, no rainbows being flown on government buildings, no gay cake baking, no homo adoptions, and no government funded propaganda forced upon the public.

And yet, the steady stream of gay pooled it’s way into all of those things just a few short years later. It was there back then because it was tolerated, just about to break down the door to all the aforementioned “barriers.” That’s the natural march of evil, which they refer to as progress.

Boo libertarianism. Make it illegal. Make it illegal to advocate. Because we did not legislate and enforce God’s morality they will legislate and enforce their own.
Good post. Bill Clinton promised the LGBT that when he became President , he would give them everything that they wanted and demanded. Bill Clinton was the first Pro LGBT President that America had. The Christian Right had it's heyday from : 1980-1992. In November of 1992 , America started to really go down the wrong path and we have been going down the slippery slope ever since then. I was around gays a lot from : 1991-2007. Mainly because my step-brother is gay. They despise heterosexuals and Christians with a passion. They never get called evil bigot's though. It's a double standard.
 

Pioneer

Sparrow
We need laws against corruption of the youth which have the death penalty attached to them. Child groomers, even these demons that have been promoting scat fetishes through poop-related toys, need to be tried, given the chance for conversion and the sacraments, and executed.
 
I think you just described the ‘90s.

I think you just described the ‘90s.
The scary thing is that you are mostly right (although I don't think there was anti-homosexual government propaganda in schools and posters on walls in government buildings in the '90's). The bigger issue s the overall decline in morals in western society. How many people in 1900 were interested in being a homosexual vs. the 1990's vs. today? Of course, we don't know for sure but I am willing to bet that the percent was lower due to modern day pro-homosexual propaganda. If homosexuality were legal but actively discouraged by most people in society, only a small number of people would engage in it and likely they would be discrete about it. The big issue is not that homosexuality is legal rather the issue is WHY people are so quick to accept it and actively encourage it.

People should not have to face the threat of punishment to make basic moral choices but it seems Americans are becoming less and less mature and moral by nature. An example is swearing in public which is legal in most places and has been for many years. However, over the years, people are saying the F-word more casually and even in front of women and children (often the women are the ones doing it). It is sad when the average citizen in a nation will only behave morally when forced to do so by the government and it reflects how parents did a poor job raising their kids to be mature and responsible and moral members of society.

Libertarians are criticized and I understand the concerns. For a libertarian society to function, you need a population that consists of mostly mature and responsible adults that care about others besides themselves. It requires basic respect which used to be common. It is a bit idealistic although one would expect people would actually want this society where adults are free to make choices and would respect others with only a few basic laws that deal with the thugs every society will have. Sadly, the USA is further away from this situation than ever before.

Homosexuals ask for tolerance and then a baker says 'no' regarding baking them a cake. The Denver area has hundreds of bakeries that would have happily made such a cake but the homosexuals saw a money opportunity and took it. They were intolerant of the baker's religious views. Leftists don't understand the hypocrisy of this. Hate is a terrible emotion but the more they shove the rainbow flag in my face and the more they threaten innocent people, the more I find myself feeling disgust, anger, and dislike towards them. I understand why many on this thread want it to be illegal and I am getting pushed in this direction as well despite it conflicting with my libertarian minded ideals.
 

fortyfive

Woodpecker
The gay movement is mainly a spiritual movement. Fueled by dark supernatural forces. That's why people can't comprehend how's possible to have such political support everywhere in the west, gay flags on embassies, and support of a heterosexual majority. Christians are confused why so many people are supporting just a small fraction of perverts from the population. It looks irrational from the natural point of view. But not from a supernatural viewpoint.

From satan's viewpoint, it is a clever plan. He knows that by transforming western cities into Sodom, the judgment will come.
He is trying to use God for his plan. And to some extent, it will work.
Why? Because humans are not innocent victims in this plan. They are cooperating willingly. They know God's view about perversity precisely.
The Bible is still widely available.
But they chose to ignore God anyway.

This week around 100 k people celebrated pride in Tel Aviv. (with support of the new leftist government and the US and British embassy).
God-fearing and religious people are horrified because they know about judgments and exiles brought to them in history for this wickedness.

In the past, judgment was brought on land by Godless kings, and today it will be the same. Godless depraved government and its supporters are pavings the way for God's wrath.

You can choose to ignore supernatural laws established by God, but you can't ignore the consequences of breaking God's law.
 
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