Should Homosexuality be Illegal?

Gimlet

Pelican
The fastest way I've shut up leftists who say that the Catholic Church has no authority on sexual morality because of the priests molesting boys is to tell them that the pedo priests were all gay and that's why they engaged in sexual acts with young teenage boys.

I say the exact same thing, because it is true. When they balk, I note that the bulk of those molested were teen boys, which really is not pedophilia. To be exact it is ephebophilia or hebephilia, which are both run of the mill gay.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
Denam8487 said:
The fastest way I've shut up leftists who say that the Catholic Church has no authority on sexual morality because of the priests molesting boys is to tell them that the pedo priests were all gay and that's why they engaged in sexual acts with young teenage boys.

Yes, spot on. But also to point out that the Catholic Church is not the only institution that has this problem. The boy scouts are bankrupt because of all the molestation scandals they've had to deal with. Several other religious denominations have this issue too. I think the biggest source of child molestation is the public school system and it is. An immediate question is why so much attention to the Catholic Church? That's not to excuse pedophilia/pederasty etc, certainly not, but, when you account for all the other institutions we must question why the Church is singled out? I think the answer is obvious because the radical left hates God. What troubles me is this subterfuge convinces many to see this as a Church problem and that's wrong for many reasons. 1. because its never right to pin the blame on one group when all the others are doing it, but far worse is 2. its obscures the truth of the matter, which is we have a systematic pedophilia problem in society. I think the evidence speaks for itself, where ever there are young kids, these monsters will go. So, as it pertains to the Catholic Church, its a matter of adjusting their recruiting standards and better vetting individuals that are joining the priesthood just to access kids. Frankly, I think the Church has done a great job at this. If we hear about molestation incidents its from decades ago.

Far worse is the fact that the Catholic Church is the monolith that stands against sexual perversion, which very much includes pedophilia. Again, there's a disgusting ruse playing out here that is simply intolerable. The very same people who seek out the obscure priest, ignoring all the other institutions where this is common, are the very same people who are pushing for the normalization of pedophilia. We all know it, and its no conspiracy. Its frequent to hear from academia overtures about the legitimacy of pedophilia. Just recently yet another "professor" openly and unabashedly declared having sex with infants is okay. Yeah, they get punished, but, we all know the agenda. Its always been about making pedophilia okay.

This really gets to me. The Church had a corruption problem. It was grotesque and odious, for sure, but, it wasn't as if the Church on a doctrinal level was pushing for this. Its the complete opposite. Jesus was very clear regarding those that harm (sexually) kids, that they should be thrown into the ocean with a millstone around their neck. Again, the Church is the monolith against this. Whereas, the secular "religion" of the woke or progressivism etc, does, on a doctrinal, level push for this. That's a very key component of our defense and we'd be wise to use it against secular detractors.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
I think the biggest source of child molestation is the public school system and it is. An immediate question is why so much attention to the Catholic Church? That's not to excuse pedophilia/pederasty etc, certainly not, but, when you account for all the other institutions we must question why the Church is singled out? I think the answer is obvious because the radical left hates God.

We're ashamed of the abuse scandals in the Church and want the perpetrators brought to justice. I cannot presume the limitations on God's abundant mercy, but I think it's safe to say that there are priests burning in hell right now because of the abuse.

The difference is that the public school system normalizes and champions the sexualization of children as soon as they start kindergarten. I live in NoVA and every week I see headlines about child pornography that "accidentally" ended up in public school libraries. CNN smeared the father of a daughter who was sodomized in the girl's bathroom by a tranny and the principal basically covered it up.

Sodomites cannot reproduce naturally so they have to reproduce their ideology by corrupting the innocence of children via pornography and sexual trauma. It's despicable.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
Denam8487 said:
The fastest way I've shut up leftists who say that the Catholic Church has no authority on sexual morality because of the priests molesting boys is to tell them that the pedo priests were all gay and that's why they engaged in sexual acts with young teenage boys.

Yes, spot on. But also to point out that the Catholic Church is not the only institution that has this problem. The boy scouts are bankrupt because of all the molestation scandals they've had to deal with. Several other religious denominations have this issue too. I think the biggest source of child molestation is the public school system and it is. An immediate question is why so much attention to the Catholic Church? That's not to excuse pedophilia/pederasty etc, certainly not, but, when you account for all the other institutions we must question why the Church is singled out? I think the answer is obvious because the radical left hates God. What troubles me is this subterfuge convinces many to see this as a Church problem and that's wrong for many reasons. 1. because its never right to pin the blame on one group when all the others are doing it, but far worse is 2. its obscures the truth of the matter, which is we have a systematic pedophilia problem in society. I think the evidence speaks for itself, where ever there are young kids, these monsters will go. So, as it pertains to the Catholic Church, its a matter of adjusting their recruiting standards and better vetting individuals that are joining the priesthood just to access kids. Frankly, I think the Church has done a great job at this. If we hear about molestation incidents its from decades ago.

Far worse is the fact that the Catholic Church is the monolith that stands against sexual perversion, which very much includes pedophilia. Again, there's a disgusting ruse playing out here that is simply intolerable. The very same people who seek out the obscure priest, ignoring all the other institutions where this is common, are the very same people who are pushing for the normalization of pedophilia. We all know it, and its no conspiracy. Its frequent to hear from academia overtures about the legitimacy of pedophilia. Just recently yet another "professor" openly and unabashedly declared having sex with infants is okay. Yeah, they get punished, but, we all know the agenda. Its always been about making pedophilia okay.

This really gets to me. The Church had a corruption problem. It was grotesque and odious, for sure, but, it wasn't as if the Church on a doctrinal level was pushing for this. Its the complete opposite. Jesus was very clear regarding those that harm (sexually) kids, that they should be thrown into the ocean with a millstone around their neck. Again, the Church is the monolith against this. Whereas, the secular "religion" of the woke or progressivism etc, does, on a doctrinal, level push for this. That's a very key component of our defense and we'd be wise to use it against secular detractors.

My take on the Catholic sexual abuse issue is that it stems from 3 sources:

1. Would-be pederasts are naturally going to be attracted to professions, hobbies, etc that allow them unsupervised access to children. Some of these if they were raised Catholic go the route of the priesthood, others pursue teaching, become clergy in whatever other religion they were raised in, become Boy Scout leaders, whatever.

2. Until the last maybe 2-3 decades, homosexuality was not socially accepted and it was expected that young men would marry. It's not unexpected in that environment that some men with homosexual inclinations would view the priesthood as a convenient path to avoid uncomfortable questions and ultimately end up falling to temptation and abusing the boys in their charge. Ironically I do think a potential silver lining of greater acceptance (and at this point celebration) of homosexuality in secular society is that homosexual men will not feel the need to hide in the priesthood.

3. Overt efforts by the KGB to infiltrate the Church, correctly viewing it as the most effective global institution standing against communism, which likely included deliberately inserting pederasts and other deviants in to the Church's ranks. It's likely they did the same thing to the Orthodox Church to some extent but my educated guess is that it was less of a priority due to the relatively small numbers of Orthodox living in the US/UK and in 3rd world countries targeted for communist subversion as compared to Catholics, and because by controlling the home of the largest Orthodox Church it was easier to subvert it more directly.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
My take on the Catholic sexual abuse issue is that it stems from 3 sources:

1. Would-be pederasts are naturally going to be attracted to professions, hobbies, etc that allow them unsupervised access to children. Some of these if they were raised Catholic go the route of the priesthood, others pursue teaching, become clergy in whatever other religion they were raised in, become Boy Scout leaders, whatever.

2. Until the last maybe 2-3 decades, homosexuality was not socially accepted and it was expected that young men would marry. It's not unexpected in that environment that some men with homosexual inclinations would view the priesthood as a convenient path to avoid uncomfortable questions and ultimately end up falling to temptation and abusing the boys in their charge. Ironically I do think a potential silver lining of greater acceptance (and at this point celebration) of homosexuality in secular society is that homosexual men will not feel the need to hide in the priesthood.

3. Overt efforts by the KGB to infiltrate the Church, correctly viewing it as the most effective global institution standing against communism, which likely included deliberately inserting pederasts and other deviants in to the Church's ranks. It's likely they did the same thing to the Orthodox Church to some extent but my educated guess is that it was less of a priority due to the relatively small numbers of Orthodox living in the US/UK and in 3rd world countries targeted for communist subversion as compared to Catholics, and because by controlling the home of the largest Orthodox Church it was easier to subvert it more directly.

I agree with all of these. I'll also add that conclaves within the Church such as the Jesuits are funded by Soros' Open Society Foundation (they'll indicate as much on their website.) I don't want to be calumnious but just looking at James Martin, Thomas Reese and the rest of Jesuit Twitter, I'm convinced that the majority of them are outright engaged in homosexuality or struggle with SSA.

Case in point: they were all furious that The Pillar exposed Jeffrey Burrill, a general secretary for the USCCB, for being on Grindr and visiting a gay bathhouse in Las Vegas citing an "invasion of privacy." But they probably are supportive of the intelligence agency and banks infringing on the privacy of Trump supporters who showed up on 1/6 because they were insurrectionists who "posed a threat to our democracy."

Give me a break.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
In round numbers, homosexuality is illegal in 70 out of 190 countries of the world, almost 40%.
One specific example, from

Homosexual acts are prohibited by law in Ghana. According to 2013 survey by the Pew Research Center, 96% of Ghanaians believe that homosexuality should not be accepted by society.

I happened to read that as someone I know is planning to travel there, so it led me to take some interest in the place. A lot of the world really does not like it, and rightly so.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
I posted above somewhere about the situation in Jamaica. Well done to Jamaica for ignoring international pressure. From people I have talked to from there, it does not sound like they have any intention whatsoever of letting that degeneracy in, they have already suffered enough from white people ("Babylon" in Rastifarian terminology) enslaving them for hundreds of years and don't now need once that is over further damaging manipulation from the West. The slavery ended I believe in the 1800s but even in the decades since the 1950s Jamaica has suffered other meddling in their country from the West.

Quoting from the Jamaican Offences Against the Person Act of 1864 -

Section 76. Unnatural Offences. Whosoever shall be convicted of the abominable crime of buggery, committed either with mankind or with any animal, shall be liable to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for a term not exceeding ten years.

Section 77. Attempt. Whosoever shall attempt to commit the said abominable crime, or shall be guilty of any assault with intent to commit the same, or of any indecent assault upon any male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof, shall be liable to be imprisoned for a term not exceeding seven years, with or without hard labour.

Section 79. Outrages on decency. Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or is a party to the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof shall be liable at the discretion of the court to be imprisoned for a term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour.

It mentions in the article:
According to Human Rights Watch, regardless of how often persons are convicted of buggery or gross indecency, "the arrests themselves send a message." The Jamaican press publishes the names of men arrested for those crimes, "shaming them and putting them at risk of physical injury."

You have to ask yourself what is worse, that a few individual gays and lesbians might be subject to threats or violence, or that the culture of the entire society degenerates and healthy heterosexual culture and normal pairbonding is damaged.

At one extreme you have Jamaica with these laws which outright forbid homosexuality at the other you have the West which without consultation or referendum in most cases enshrines same sex marriage in law THEN CELEBRATES IT AS IF IT IS SOMETHING WONDERFUL!!

The West does not posess a culture even if it were left untouched with all this gay propoganda which would allow it to reach African level average birthrates of say 5+ children per woman. TPTB have launched an attack on an already not overly fertile culture.
 

WanderingProtagonist

Sparrow
Orthodox
Half the time I feel like they've won anyway..The fact that they own the Western world and managed to spread it to other nations is the same thing with Feminism. I use to think in countries like China feminism was illegal, yet they have feminist there too including Chinese transgenders as well that live in secrecy. I believe every society is affected by this stuff globally, there are even Gay Muslim and Trans people but they keep it completely concealed versus being all out in the open about it. But once they move to the West, they join everyone else and let you know that's who they really are. Then you have people who live in total fear of homosexuals and I don't mean as in being "phobic" I mean as in letting them take over everything to the point where they are allowed to trash talk your religion and disrespect your beliefs, or even mess with your kids, but you aren't allowed to challenge them...Every time someone says anything they don't like they will out right call someone homophobic and the other person won't make a single effort to defend himself. People are just too afraid of being doxxed to the point where homosexuals have won. Same thing with trans people. They already have all the major corporations on their side supporting and backing them.
 
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Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
Can someone who speaks Russian paste a copy of the Russian legislation on this and its translation? It would be interesting to read, from the source exactly what the lawmakers there have done..
 

EnglishFriar

 
Banned
Protestant
I say the exact same thing, because it is true. When they balk, I note that the bulk of those molested were teen boys, which really is not pedophilia. To be exact it is ephebophilia or hebephilia, which are both run of the mill gay.
No, hebephilia or ephebophilia is attraction adolescents.


This can be gay or straight.

To be exact, you are incorrect, read on the links below to increase your knowledge my brother.
 

Celibate Warrior21

Robin
Other Christian
I was at a karaoke party last night, guess what? There was a homosexual in short shorts present.

Did that made me from a judgmental prick and stopped me from having a good time? No way, I didn't think much of it.

You got to ask yourself, when was the last time you hung out with someone who is gay? And if you did, how would Jesus react? Would you show that person love, acceptance and mercy? Or would your judgmental ways ruin a potentially compassionate friendship or acquaintanceship to say the least.

I may not agree with you, but that's not going to stop me from treating you as a person and as a human being.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I was at a karaoke party last night, guess what? There was a homosexual in short shorts present.

Did that made me from a judgmental prick and stopped me from having a good time? No way, I didn't think much of it.

You got to ask yourself, when was the last time you hung out with someone who is gay? And if you did, how would Jesus react? Would you show that person love, acceptance and mercy? Or would your judgmental ways ruin a potentially compassionate friendship or acquaintanceship to say the least.

I may not agree with you, but that's not going to stop me from treating you as a person and as a human being.
Are you suggesting that homosexuality being legal is the same as being merciful and compassionate to gay people and therefore it being illegal is the opposite?
 

Celibate Warrior21

Robin
Other Christian
Look if they were somehow manage to make homosexuality illegal and promote healthy, Christian masculine and feminine relationships again, I'd be all for it because that would mean a functional and sane society again lol.

However, I just dislike the biased posts and attitudes towards gay people on this thread. Ya gotta remember the Golden Rule that's all.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Look if they were somehow manage to make homosexuality illegal and promote healthy, Christian masculine and feminine relationships again, I'd be all for it because that would mean a functional and sane society again lol.

However, I just dislike the biased posts and attitudes towards gay people on this thread. Ya gotta remember the Golden Rule that's all.
Fair enough.

I agree. Treat the individual with compassion and mercy but don't endorse their behaviour. I would say the same logic applies to drug addicts
 

EnglishFriar

 
Banned
Protestant
This is exactly what I said. Priest were molesting adolescents thus are not pedophiles, they are gay.
I guess I confused "run of the mill gay", with you thinking hebephilia/ephebophilia were exclusively gay, and not potentially gay or straight.
I say the exact same thing, because it is true. When they balk, I note that the bulk of those molested were teen boys, which really is not pedophilia. To be exact it is ephebophilia or hebephilia, which are both run of the mill gay.
 
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