Should We Revise Our Position On Global Warming?

Yamamoto the Third

Pigeon
Protestant
Does it feel like it’s getting hotter? No. Then it’s not getting hotter.

Same thing with covid: you don’t need a bunch of people with charts to tell you you’re sick.

There’s very little “science” or hard evidence once you dig in. For example, the UN IPCC which is the world leading climate science body won’t release their data sets.

If anything, I would encourage everyone to go out and burn plastics, truck tires and other toxic substances right now.

Be free of this delusion!
 

LeoniusD

Pelican
Gnostic or New Age
Amazing that there are still folk out there who believe the propaganda.

Wow - that is the most amazing part here. Even posting all the fake graphs.

There is literally so much dissenting credible data out there, that you would have to be willfully ignoring anything that does not get published by the NewYorkTimes in order to cling to this bs of global warming:


We are currently finding ourselves in a warmer period of essentially an ice age.

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We are still in an ice age. And we are entering another mini-ice age - even if that graph above is misleading with that spike there.

All this propaganda was decided upon by our elite in the 1960s - first they pushed the global cooling, then switched to global warming, then to climate change, then to climate disruption. In reality it will be cooling due to factors beyond our control and influence.

We haven't even reached the medieval warming period - Greenland is not all green like it used to be and your red wine plantations in the UK won't do good since it's much colder than it used to be 1000 and 2000 years ago.

It's only politics - the science is so faulty that they began to fake temperature data which came out in Climate Gate a few years ago. The correlation of CO2 in the long-term graphs happens centuries after temperatures increased meaning - first increased or decreased temperatures, then centuries later CO2. Frankly we should blast 100 times more CO2 out, maybe that would help - help plants, slow the natural cooling and make earth more habitable, but we won't manage any meaningful impact anyway.
 
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C-Note

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
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Watts Up With That is a good climate change skeptics blog. Another good one is Climate Audit: https://climateaudit.org/

I believe that blog's founder, Steve McIntyre, is the one who originally tore apart the Hockey Stick graph. He has gone to climate conferences to try to ask Michael Mann questions about his graph and Mann has avoided him like the plague.

This is one of the ClimateGate emails in which climate "scientists" plot to avoid disclosing their data and methodology to outsiders. Because their research receives public funding, by law they must comply with Freedom Of Information regulations. Although these emails show them actively defying those regulations, they were not criminally charged, ostensibly because the statue of limitations had passed. The Wikipedia article on this episode is a hilariously over-the-top whitewash of what happened.
 
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Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
There is a long term RVF member* who was an actual former climate scientist. He doesnt post anymore and his posts seem to have been lost in one of the purges but he was an authority on the issue. He left the “climate change industry” and went to work as geologist for private sector because in his own words it was “ 99% politics and 1% junk science” . The only “research” that gets funding is the research that confirms the agenda.

“Consensus“? The only consensus is that if you want research grant funds your abstract better state a thesis that says “humans affect the weather and heres how”

* I am still in contact with him from time to time. Hes currently working in a remote location in SA for a mining co.
 
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Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Other Christian
Amazing that there are still folk out there who believe the propaganda.

Wow - that is the most amazing part here. Even posting all the fake graphs.

There is literally so much dissenting credible data out there, that you would have to be willfully ignoring anything that does not get published by the NewYorkTimes in order to cling to this bs of global warming:


We are currently finding ourselves in a warmer period of essentially an ice age.

graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png


We are still in an ice age. And we are entering another mini-ice age - even if that graph above is misleading with that spike there.

All this propaganda was decided upon by our elite in the 1960s - first they pushed the global cooling, then switched to global warming, then to climate change, then to climate disruption. In reality it will be cooling due to factors beyond our control and influence.

We haven't even reached the medieval warming period - Greenland is not all green like it used to be and your red wine plantations in the UK won't do good since it's much colder than it used to be 1000 and 2000 years ago.

It's only politics - the science is so faulty that they began to fake temperature data which came out in Climate Gate a few years ago. The correlation of CO2 in the long-term graphs happens centuries after temperatures increased meaning - first increased or decreased temperatures, then centuries later CO2. Frankly we should blast 100 times more CO2 out, maybe that would help - help plants, slow the natural cooling and make earth more habitable, but we won't manage any meaningful impact anyway.

I think that if you look at these time scales it`s not correct to say that we are in an ice age currently, but rather heading into the next one. (Milankovitch patterns) So we are in an interglacial then. (Holocene) If you accept that the earth is as old as some think it is, then it would be more correct to say that the climate is cooling gradually on the largest time scales, with shorter time scale fluctuations. Sort of patterns within patterns. I think that the longest time scale has to do with solar activity.

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C-Note

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
Another scientist, one with a fairly high public profile, who changed from a "warmist" to a skeptic is Judith Curry. Before 2010, she was part of the global warming "consensus" establishment, but after discussing the issues with some prominent skeptics, she became a skeptic herself, much to the dismay of her colleagues. She has a sterling reputation as an academic, which is why her Wikipedia article isn't as negative as you might think it would be since Wikipedia's articles on the topic are controlled by warming activists. Michael Mann's blog "RealClimate" has spent years attacking her, showing what usually happens if you dissent from the party line.
 

LeoniusD

Pelican
Gnostic or New Age
The initial first graph shared in greater detail:

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It was much warmer already 10.000 years ago. We are still in a warming period of an ice-age and awfully close an ice-age.

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This is our future and there even some mainstream articles coming out - one by NASA which mentioned the maunder minimum. I saw it later disappear since it was not part of the party-line.

There is plenty of credible data out there - CO2 has a trifling effect on warming - rather more of a positive effect on plant-growth.

Either way - plenty of credible information is out there - you can even go into the climate-gate emails which are available where universities colluded to make the medieval warming period appear colder among other things.
 

BiggNastee

Kingfisher
Does it feel like it’s getting hotter? No. Then it’s not getting hotter.

Same thing with covid: you don’t need a bunch of people with charts to tell you you’re sick.

There’s very little “science” or hard evidence once you dig in. For example, the UN IPCC which is the world leading climate science body won’t release their data sets.

If anything, I would encourage everyone to go out and burn plastics, truck tires and other toxic substances right now.

Be free of this delusion!
I dont believe in climate change but yes it is definitely hotter than normal where I live. With no end in sight but I'm sure this isn't the first time in history either.
 

Dusty

Peacock
Gold Member
I think that if you look at these time scales it`s not correct to say that we are in an ice age currently, but rather heading into the next one. (Milankovitch patterns) So we are in an interglacial then. (Holocene) If you accept that the earth is as old as some think it is, then it would be more correct to say that the climate is cooling gradually on the largest time scales, with shorter time scale fluctuations. Sort of patterns within patterns. I think that the longest time scale has to do with solar activity.

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There’s palm tree fossils in Alaska.

 
If people were serious about "climate change" and "global warming" they'd build nuclear power plants, and deport all illegal immigrants and their children.

Even including Chernobyl and Fukushima, nuclear power still hasn't killed as many people as other forms of power generation, such a natural gas and coal. (The only way to actually make nuclear power "look bad" with some legit numbers is to include Hiroshima and Nagasaki!)

I hate the term "carbon footprint" it pushes responsibility on to individuals, and ignores the filthy wealthy who fly around on their private jets, and corporations which should be shut down and the executives arrested and imprisoned like BP for that Gulf spill a few years back. I also tend to think there's A LOT more oil under the ground than we think or have been told.

For carbon footprints: A person in North Africa, or Subsaharan Africa, or in Mexico or Central/South America America has a "carbon footprint" of 1 or less.

That person hops on a boat and cross the Mediterranean Sea, comes into Italy or Spain or France, or hops on a bus and gets off in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or Texas, and starts to live their life, and their "carbon footprint" jumps up to 7 to 11 just because they start to live like an American or a European.


One cannot support the environment and not also support nuclear power, and be against illegal immigration.
 

SVK

 
Banned
Does it feel like it’s getting hotter? No. Then it’s not getting hotter.

Same thing with covid: you don’t need a bunch of people with charts to tell you you’re sick.

There’s very little “science” or hard evidence once you dig in. For example, the UN IPCC which is the world leading climate science body won’t release their data sets.

If anything, I would encourage everyone to go out and burn plastics, truck tires and other toxic substances right now.

Be free of this delusion!

But it absolutely feels like it's getting hotter!
 

LeoniusD

Pelican
Gnostic or New Age
The global warming agenda is based on ridiculous science and now even on faked temperature graphs - it is a purely political agenda with the end-goal of controlling all the peasants, restricting each and everyone of their activity, taxing them up the bazoo under the guise of saving mother earth. And it has nothing to do with real pollution or even resource consumption - it's purely ideology driven:


CO2 is not an issue. They don't care about nature, they know that there is nothing to fear from man-made climate change because it's a con from the beginning - a con designed to enslave mankind, force them on a insect-fungus-plant-kibble diet, then kill most of them off. I used to believe in that nonsense reading the scientific journals and mass media. However once you start to see through the hoaxes, then it does not stand to any - even the most rudimentary scrutiny.
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
The problem with the 'climate change' movement is that it again presents itself as another false dichotomy - you are either a thoughtful, mindful, responsible citizen or you're a dimwitted, evil, selfish smoke creature from Ferngully.

First, we need to separate the climate change business model from actual environmentalism and I feel true conservatives - 'Christian conservatives' especially - missed the plot on this one. This Earth is a truly sacred place created by God for his children and as his children, we have a responsibility and duty to be good stewards our gift, for both the Lord and for our future generations. No one rational feels massive piles of unprocessed garbage, dumping waste into our waters, polluting the air with actual toxins like sulfur, lead, etc are good ideas and buying a 15 year-old F-250 Super Duty, making it get atrocious fuel economy with a 6-inch lift and mud tires so you can drive to Bass Pro Shop, removing the catalytic converters, and 'rolling coal' every chance you get to totally own a Prius only shows what a child you are.

Real conservative environmentalism should be about producing and consuming local as much as possible to support like-minded local enterprises, removing the nation from globalism and the false call of 'free global trade.' How about encouraging US factories to build durable consumer goods in the US made of largely regional i.e. North American resources?

Second, show unequivocally that environmentalism /= socialism and that in fact the two biggest socialist nations - USSR and China - were and are the most culpable for damaging the earth, from strip mining to redirecting rivers with massive dams to literally dumping spent nuclear reactors into the Artic Sea.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
There is a long term RVF member* who was an actual former climate scientist. He doesnt post anymore and his posts seem to have been lost in one of the purges but he was an authority on the issue. He left the “climate change industry” and went to work as geologist for private sector because in his own words it was “ 99% politics and 1% junk science” . The only “research” that gets funding is the research that confirms the agenda.

“Consensus“? The only consensus is that if you want research grant funds your abstract better state a thesis that says “humans affect the weather and heres how”

* I am still in contact with him from time to time. Hes currently working in a remote location in SA for a mining co.
More dissent is allowed in Eastern Orthodoxy than climate "science."

My wife's grandmother just asked us why people aren't doing anything about climate change. She watches Fox News all day so her opinions are literally just what they say.

"Official" stats say the planet has warmed what, 2 degrees celsius? In that time they claim the ocean levels have gone up I believe 6 centimeters. The world mean temperature can only go up another 2 degrees celsius or so max, since we're already at what they claim are close to all time highs, yet they claim that temperature rise won't raise the sea level 6 centimeters, or even 12 centimeters, but to the tune of METERS. It's lunacy.

Furthermore, many have claimed, and there's plenty of data suggesting this may be the case, that we are heading towards a solar minimum or little ice age. Those are the periods where there is mass famine, empires collapse, there's mass death. When the planet is warm is when empires thrive, populations expand, and more food can be grown. The downsides to a warmer planet are negligible in comparison to the downsides of a significantly colder planet.

Finally the point that should be made first but I'm saving it for last since the West is no longer Christian. God is ultimately in control of the climate. God flooded the entire Earth. He can make the Earth whatever temperature He wants. We are supposed to take care of His creation, and that involves living within our means. Want to make the environment cleaner and healthier for everyone? Work on spreading the Gospel, because no fervent Christian would litter, pollute, or be wasteful with their resources.
 

SVK

 
Banned
If anything, I would encourage everyone to go out and burn plastics, truck tires and other toxic substances right now.

Be free of this delusion!

I've got some old tires and a bunch of plastic in my backyard. I've been waiting for the bulk pickup day, but now you got me thinking that I should just burn it since you encourage that. Are there any health benefits of doing this?
 
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