Should women have the right to vote?

Should women be allowed to vote?


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First off, calling married men sell-outs/ cucks is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard - they are men who sacrifice their free will, their free time, and their easy financial life for the sake of someone else. Paul writes extensively about this.

Single people in general are a scourge on society. I'm not talking about RVF'ers by and large - but the people on this forum are not representative of society as a whole, and we're more flawed than we think, even now. When I was a single man I would spend the weekends drinking, causing trouble, watching porn, smoking, playing several hours of video games a day, etc. Single women sleep around, destroying their ability to bond with a future husband, and turning themselves into wine aunts, they get hooked on SSRI's because of their unnatural lifestyle and subconsciously try to destroy society and hurt men as payback.

The institution of marriage raises the moral bar for people, it causes them to mature and end the party phase of life. They become concerned with the future society their children and grandchildren grow up in.

Sounds like you prefer single men because you're itching for a more activism and revolution. This is true, more single men tend to lead to revolution, but it almost never turns out well like you're imagining it will. Look at recent revolutions. China. Russia. France. America. Cuba. Cambodia. Various South American and African civil wars/coups. Revolutions carried out by young men desiring change for the better. How many of them actually resulted in a better society?

If we're talking single monastics, that is completely different; they are married to the Church, and with that comes the same, or more selflessness as marriage. Instead of revolutions they spur repentance.

I think darknavigator has a point though. The married men I work with all got the vaxxx. The one literally said it was because his wife kept nagging him. The other's got it so they could keep up a stand of living and not be an outcast. These men are plugged into the system with too much to lose. I used to envy these men as I have longed to find a girl and be married, but with the way things are going I think the Lord is simply telling me "don't worry about marriage right now, get yourself right with Me for the tribulations that lie ahead."
 
@ DanielH @ The Penitent Man

If all of these married people were so concerned about the society their children / grandchildren will inherit then why is society going to hell in a handbasket? I'm not calling ALL married men cucks and sell-outs. I understand where married men / family men are coming from. A family man has a lot more to lose than a single man who only has to worry about himself. I GET IT!

What I do have a problem with is this idea that single people don't care because 'they don't have a stake in the future'. It's an insidious idea because it marginalises single people. Using this logic Roosh should still be writing PUA articles because he's unmarried and has 'no skin in the game'? A good example is the phrase you sometimes hear people saying on the television - "speaking as a parent" - as if their opinion has more credibility because they have children.

Speaking of revolutions - the American revolution (1765-1791) turned out pretty good?
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
I think darknavigator has a point though. The married men I work with all got the vaxxx. The one literally said it was because his wife kept nagging him. The other's got it so they could keep up a stand of living and not be an outcast. These men are plugged into the system with too much to lose. I used to envy these men as I have longed to find a girl and be married, but with the way things are going I think the Lord is simply telling me "don't worry about marriage right now, get yourself right with Me for the tribulations that lie ahead."
I know a guy that literally had women stalking him and inviting him on paid vacations back in his 20s. He took zero crap from women and didn’t have to, because he had a phone full of women that would literally come over in the middle of the night if he bothered to text them. He was naturally very red pilled and was comfortable sharing extremely politically incorrect views among his lapdog “girlfriends”, and otherwise. His wife is younger and very submissive. Even he has largely adopted her opinions and worldview, and bizarrely, is now a SJW. Similar story with two of my other now married friends who used to be vocal conservatives, who are now coy about their politics and repeat mainstream media talking points about Trump and Covid. Women have tremendous mental influence on their husbands, even if they are alpha males. The inherent threat of your children being taken away is enough to cuck all but the most sociopathic Chads.
 
I know a guy that literally had women stalking him and inviting him on paid vacations back in his 20s. He took zero crap from women and didn’t have to, because he had a phone full of women that would literally come over in the middle of the night if he bothered to text them. He was naturally very red pilled and was comfortable sharing extremely politically incorrect views among his lapdog “girlfriends”, and otherwise. His wife is younger and very submissive. Even he has largely adopted her opinions and worldview, and bizarrely, is now a SJW. Similar story with two of my other now married friends who used to be vocal conservatives, who are now coy about their politics and repeat mainstream media talking points about Trump and Covid. Women have tremendous mental influence on their husbands, even if they are alpha males. The inherent threat of your children being taken away is enough to cuck all but the most sociopathic Chads.
Identifying oneself as an "alpha male" is part of the problem.
 

Aboulia

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I am disappointed the options aren't:

Yes
No
On what's for dinner.

In all seriousness, I couldn't care less whether women voted or not, as the only criteria to vote is that you're older than 18, and have a pulse (unless you're a democrat). Okay, maybe I can't be serious while talking about foolish topics.

When the bar for having an opinion valued is that low, it really doesn't matter, because the average person is subject to do whatever the television tells you. For voting to matter, you would need an entire moral reform, media companies would have to be abolished, and very selectively give out voting rights. The idea that citizenship/voting rights should only be given to people who had served in the military, like in the book "Starship Troopers" would be a good start (after a moral reform of course, you wouldn't want to give voting rights to those who joined the military to become a Pokemon master.
 

Samseau

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
All forms of government have their pros and cons. I do not think there is a best government, it depends on the type of people being represented. Good people need less government, which means more open and freer rules for selecting leaders. Evil and selfish people are the opposite, needing the strong hand of dictatorship to keep them in line.

The men of America voted Woodrow Wilson into office, who was elected on a promise of no war, only to send millions of Americans to their death in Europe during WWI. After a huge number of men were butchered, it was easy to pass the female vote amendment, not just in America but all over the world.

It just took a single mistake for men to get conned into fighting WWI. This shows that men are too easily manipulated with questions of pride, believing there was some kind of need to destroy people an ocean away to "protect" their country (the only thing they protected was their pride, and they died for it).

The men of America should have rose up and revolted against WWI and it's draft. They did not, and punishment was to sow the seeds of America's long term destruction with both the female vote and the federal reserve, not to mention to also sow the seeds of WWI.

In this context, the female vote was not what killed America, but merely a symptom from the main disease; a loss of faith and leadership that lead to America entering WWI. People needed to stand up back then, but did not and the price has been terrible.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
@ DanielH @ The Penitent Man

If all of these married people were so concerned about the society their children / grandchildren will inherit then why is society going to hell in a handbasket? I'm not calling ALL married men cucks and sell-outs. I understand where married men / family men are coming from. A family man has a lot more to lose than a single man who only has to worry about himself. I GET IT!
We have the fewest married people and children as a percentage of the total population since the country was founded.
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What I do have a problem with is this idea that single people don't care because 'they don't have a stake in the future'. It's an insidious idea because it marginalises single people. Using this logic Roosh should still be writing PUA articles because he's unmarried and has 'no skin in the game'?
That's a non-sequitur. PUA is sinful and has no bearing on the conversation, but if anything it helps prove my point, because if Roosh was married he wouldn't have been writing PUA. I hope the idea that married people with children have more skin in the game marginalizes single secular people, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm not saying you don't care. Marriage or celibate monastic life is preferred, which is biblical. Roosh literally wrote an article titled "Can Single People Become Mature?" So I don't know why you'd cite him. Anyone working towards those goals shouldn't feel insulted by what I'm saying.
A good example is the phrase you sometimes hear people saying on the television - "speaking as a parent" - as if their opinion has more credibility because they have children.
They do, in certain matters. They say that because their worldview changed upon becoming a parent, and they remember what it was like being single. That being said, most parents are still bad; western society is reaching new lows of morality just about every day, although marriage does convince many people to adopt moral beliefs they did not have before, such as becoming pro-life:

Married (47%) and widowed (48%) Americans are the only marital status groups that do not have a clear majority who say abortion should be legal in most or all cases. Single, never-married Americans (62%) and singles living with a partner (61%) are more likely to support abortion legality. Divorced Americans (54%) are in the middle. There has been very little change in support for abortion legality across marital statuses since 2014.
Gavin McInnes was one of these people who was pro-choice until he held his first child. In the stat above we see a 15 percentage point gap between support for abortion.

Speaking of revolutions - the American revolution (1765-1791) turned out pretty good?
An uprising led by Deists on the American side which led to tens of thousands of dead and and unstable government which led to the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's rebellion which then led to the scrapping of the Articles of Confederation and the writing of the Constitution, which they almost immediately began ignoring at a time when they became beholden again to the Bank of England and when they tried to break free, the Brits invaded, burning down the White House, and subjecting us to the Bank of England again, and then the wake of this calamity led to our Civil War wherein hundreds of thousands died in the largest breach of the Constitution up to that point? America at best was only ever independent for a handful of years, and those few years were a time of rebellions, depression, and suffering, as one would expect following a revolution.
 

lskdfjldsf

Pelican
Orthodox Catechumen
Gold Member
I don't think single men "don't care" about the future but notice their emotional energy is often directed towards idealistic, impractical worldviews. In past centuries single men would become either soldiers, monks, or priests, all of which were productive outlets and still benefited society as a whole.

With single women, it's even worse. Going back to the PUA forum days it's been observed how their maternal instincts are directed toward false ends (pets, career, subconsciously adopting migrant children, etc.) with disastrous consequences.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with single men but there is certainly a perspective and maturity that can only come from fatherhood. It was a night and day difference the second the doctor plopped my son down on my lap. A father's own needs come second to the needs of those that rely on him-- so his views naturally become more tempered, measured, and realistic. This comes at the expense of idealism and sacrificing oneself for a bigger picture, two elements still beneficial to society in a different way.
 
I don't think single men "don't care" about the future but notice their emotional energy is often directed towards idealistic, impractical worldviews. In past centuries single men would become either soldiers, monks, or priests, all of which were productive outlets and still benefited society as a whole.

With single women, it's even worse. Going back to the PUA forum days it's been observed how their maternal instincts are directed toward false ends (pets, career, subconsciously adopting migrant children, etc.) with disastrous consequences.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with single men but there is certainly a perspective and maturity that can only come from fatherhood. It was a night and day difference the second the doctor plopped my son down on my lap. A father's own needs come second to the needs of those that rely on him-- so his views naturally become more tempered, measured, and realistic. This comes at the expense of idealism and sacrificing oneself for a bigger picture, two elements still beneficial to society in a different way.
Is it beneficial for married men to take the vaxxx to keep their job? That would allow them to keep providing for their family, however it leads to medical tyranny.

All the married men I know did just that, submitted to keep providing for their family basically ushering in an authoritarian medical state for those, like me, who have not taken the vaxxx or fraudulent tests and is likely to be fired for doing so.

I think single men, based on not having to sacrifice for their family, are actually in a better situation to actually push back at the craziness that's going on currently. Many married men have simply capitulated to keep the status quo and hold out hope that we'll go back to normal, which we won't.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
I think it's been clearly enumerated that women have no business voting.

Voting rights should be contingent on citizenship, which should be contingent a combination of military service, financial contributions to society and being a net tax payer vs a payee, and other factors.

Starship Trooper (the book...not the movie) talks about this.

Another solution for hilarity sake:

Only men can vote.

Only women can run.

It's probably as ridiculous as the current freeforall.

Of course everything is hypothetical. There is no closing Pandora's Box on our current situation.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Robin
Orthodox
"Having children so you have a stake in the future"

I would disagree with you on this one. In my experience the biggest cucks / sell-outs are married men - they have too much to lose. Would the rooshvforum.com exist if Roosh was married with children, working a corporate job, and living in the D.C. suburbs? The majority of family men are too invested in the system.
You probably right. Historically, most men of greatness were lone wolfs. It is very difficult to balance your dedication to family and to your true passion to some cause.

I, for instance, have a family now, with the second child on the way. Their welfare is my top priority. I cannot get entangled in some activity that say would jeopardize my employment or portray me negatively by today's standards. I have to keep it low key.

In the past, I used to confront people left and right, didnt have much filter. Now, I think before I say anything for the reasons we're all too familiar with.

Yes, married men have too much to loose.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Robin
Orthodox
I would go further and say men shouldn't either. As Fr Seraphim Rose says in Nihilism, democracy is an inversion of the true hierarchical structure of things and relegates God to the position of a ceremonial monarch.
What do you reckon is the best form of government? European monarchies that acknowledged supremacy of God, all crumbled for various reasons.

I, as a Russian person, still cannot comprehend how a deeply Orthodox Russian Empire turned against God so fast. What happened to all the millions of its people that were steeped in Orthodoxy?

Thus, Im wondering what is the best form of government that is Christian in nature and is steady, not easily shaken.
 
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