Should young women go to college? If not, what should they (realistically) do?

Should young women go to college?

  • Yes

  • No

  • I don’t know

  • Maybe, under certain conditions (explain)

  • Other (explain)


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Leeloo

Woodpecker
Woman
Is red hair a problem?
As a red haired woman, I hope not! Lol. But seriously, I too am curious where @Ah_Tibor ’s facts come from. Most ancient studies show that the wealthy in those times fashinably shaved their hair and wore wigs, exclusively. Very few people, mostly servants would have known the natural hair color of their masters, and of those few, almost none could have recorded that information as written skills were beyond the grasp of even fewer scribes. So If this is modern DNA conclusive, I’d still be very curious to read the studies. Red hair in ancient times was not rare, but highly unlikely in that particular dynasty.
 

Leeloo

Woodpecker
Woman
I’ve responded about the college thing, but as for the second part of the OP question… a young woman should learn a trade or skill, or at least be well versed in the home skills.
I went to school to become a seamstress, designer, and ultimately a master tailor. In this day and age, modern women simply don’t teach their daughters these skills: so they are now much in demand. I can work anywhere and anytime. I learned everything from spinning my own fibers to building any piece of clothing you can think of, to designing a runway collection and marketing it. And to save my future household money on repairs and alterations in clothing and even furnishings/upholstery for a lifetime.

*Note: this was a skill my mother DID teach me, but I went the path of university certification at my father’s urging, to become trained and self-sufficient if need be, and not rely on college for husband-hunting.

So in that vein, whether college or otherwise, a young woman should learn and master a household skill to take with her for life. Mine was in the fabric arts, but any skilled trade is important- culinary, early childhood development, floral/gardening, hair artistry, cleaning/laundering, etc. With a good background in family morals and values, a good useful feminine skill is necessary. If I ever had daughters, they would be raised to know everything I know about making and altering clothing and working with fabric to improve the home.

Edit to add “feminine skill”
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
As a red haired woman, I hope not! Lol. But seriously, I too am curious where @Ah_Tibor ’s facts come from. Most ancient studies show that the wealthy in those times fashinably shaved their hair and wore wigs, exclusively. Very few people, mostly servants would have known the natural hair color of their masters, and of those few, almost none could have recorded that information as written skills were beyond the grasp of even fewer scribes. So If this is modern DNA conclusive, I’d still be very curious to read the studies. Red hair in ancient times was not rare, but highly unlikely in that particular dynasty.

The shaven head thing is true, so portraits of her as a redhead probably means the hair came from a slave somewhere. She did have a schnoz though.

A family friend (Greek who married a Bulgarian) always told me that Cleopatra was a redheaded Greek; ancient Greeks weren't the same as modern ones, especially an inbred elite bloodline. I don't think those AI recreations look at all accurate (they're also creepy in an uncanny valley way).
 

Leeloo

Woodpecker
Woman
The shaven head thing is true, so portraits of her as a redhead probably means the hair came from a slave somewhere. She did have a schnoz though.

A family friend (Greek who married a Bulgarian) always told me that Cleopatra was a redheaded Greek; ancient Greeks weren't the same as modern ones, especially an inbred elite bloodline. I don't think those AI recreations look at all accurate (they're also creepy in an uncanny valley way).
Ah I see what you’re saying, especially about the bloodlines and slave hair. Makes total sense. I’ve seen those weird recreations — eek! Very uncanny valley. See it in modern AI depictions of Jesus too and it looks just bizarre.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Ah I see what you’re saying, especially about the bloodlines and slave hair. Makes total sense. I’ve seen those weird recreations — eek! Very uncanny valley. See it in modern AI depictions of Jesus too and it looks just bizarre.

ahhh I think I know the one you're talking about. My mom always watched those shows that popped up around Western Easter like "Shroud of Turin, REAL or FAKE" and there was that creepy AI Jesus.


Does anyone look good on a coin, though?
 

Leeloo

Woodpecker
Woman
ahhh I think I know the one you're talking about. My mom always watched those shows that popped up around Western Easter like "Shroud of Turin, REAL or FAKE" and there was that creepy AI Jesus.


Does anyone look good on a coin, though?
This comment makes me chuckle… when I was little, for years I thought it was my grandfather on the US dime. My grandparents also had a framed photo of Pope St. John Paul II on their wall as well. In my child mind, the man depicted on the dime and in the photograph could only be one and the same— the only older stern man in my little world. Who else would be so important as to be on the wall and on the coins my grandparents gave me as small treats and tokens?? Franklin D. Roosevelt and Pope JPII were one and the same person, my Papà — and my Papa was on a coin!
 
She had a big nose and red hair. I think all of these reconstructions are generous, actually, lol, considering a lot of them had serious genetic abnormalities (King Tut had club feet, an overbite, etc).

Woah. Cool it with the Paddy discrimination. :squintlol:.

But then again it is probably justified :hmm:


There are some theories online that the Egyptian Pharoahs and Irish are somehow related.
 

Solitarius

Sparrow
Woah. Cool it with the Paddy discrimination. :squintlol:.

But then again it is probably justified :hmm:


There are some theories online that the Egyptian Pharoahs and Irish are somehow related.
This is interesting, I have a book on the history of the Irish written in the 1930's that goes into this a bit. There are some points in which the Celtic languages resemble the Egyptian, Berber & Semitic languages, the order of words for instance is verb, subject, object, whereas in all the other Indo-European languages it's subject, verb, object, or subject object verb. There are other things too but I don't have the books to hand right now.
 
We was kangz, ayyye
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This comment makes me chuckle… when I was little, for years I thought it was my grandfather on the US dime. My grandparents also had a framed photo of Pope St. John Paul II on their wall as well. In my child mind, the man depicted on the dime and in the photograph could only be one and the same— the only older stern man in my little world. Who else would be so important as to be on the wall and on the coins my grandparents gave me as small treats and tokens?? Franklin D. Roosevelt and Pope JPII were one and the same person, my Papà — and my Papa was on a coin!

I wondered how you would have reacted if you saw this bust instead of that coin.

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Something about the way it was done just made the people depicted look so noble.
 

christie2

Sparrow
Woman
Amen! It's a chicken and egg situation. If women are supported and nurtured to surrender to dependency on the family/marriage/village, shown that it's a good way to go, more will do it. That responsibility falls to parents of daughters, and would-be husbands of daughters.
I was just thinking about what comes first, the chicken or the egg, and I think the answer is the chicken.(women)
Women must surrender to dependancy on the family/marriage/village BEFORE being shown that it's a good way to go.
Completely blind and childlike trusting faith that they will be supported and nurtured.
Incredibly frightening really. Particularly when women may not be used to seeing examples of masculine, capable men.

I am at a loss on how to do it without fear.
 
I was just thinking about what comes first, the chicken or the egg, and I think the answer is the chicken.(women)
Women must surrender to dependancy on the family/marriage/village BEFORE being shown that it's a good way to go.
Completely blind and childlike trusting faith that they will be supported and nurtured.
Incredibly frightening really. Particularly when women may not be used to seeing examples of masculine, capable men.

I am at a loss on how to do it without fear.

There is wisdom in ensuing that you end up in the shade of the right tree. On the other hand I think (1 Peter 3) has good advice on this.
 

messaggera

Kingfisher
Woman
Women must surrender to dependancy on the family/marriage/village BEFORE being shown that it's a good way to go.
Completely blind and childlike trusting faith that they will be supported and nurtured.
Incredibly frightening really.

I am at a loss on how to do it without fear.

It takes a leap of faith, and some unlearning. But most importantly the right husband, or right prospective husband with Christian values.

On a personal level I had to learn the value of compromise along with letting go of prideful behaviour as a “self-sufficient” woman not “needing help from anyone nor asking.”

I came from a household where there was no biblical life, was raised Christian but husband and wife relationship was far from biblical. Education was praised by the family men who were educators and administrators.

Thirty years of conditioned behaviour to be self sufficient was very difficult to undo- let alone relay on someone else to provide and to support. But I prayed and listened to God and let my husband lead.

One will argue, “well look at the foundation you created with an education, savings, and retirement funds. You can submit because you have some security.” In all honesty I would have been just as secure if I stayed with family, worked to save until marriage. But that was not God’s plan.

God does not make mistakes His plans are perfect and different for everyone. And He gives us so many answers to our prayers, and blessings - especially when we put our faith and trust in Him.

Glory be to God, and appreciation for His Son Christ.
 

joy_grace

Pigeon
Woman
The only good thing about women getting into college:

1. To meet new friends (good only if the culture is clean and wholesome)
2. To meet men (future husband)

It's hard for a feminine woman to be in college. The tight structure and formalities is stressful and would only masculinize you. That's what I feel about college, even as someone who loves to read and learning things (fortunately I went to a conservative college). I can't imagine how women doing higher degree like Master and PhD.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Makes me think of the inversion that has taken place in the modern education system. In the past, the higher you were educated probably the closer to the truth you were. Now, the higher you're educated the further away you are from the truth. I went to university for half a decade and to be honest I can't say that I was necessarily bombarded with leftist rhetoric, although obviously there's a prejudice especially in social sciences/humanities. But I've heard that in the last years it's really increased, just like the climate change and tranny stuff, anti-racism all of it has exploded. For a woman you'll spend your most fertile years in a place that will try to wreck your brain and psychology. Doesn't seem like a good deal, only serious alternative though seems to be an honorable housewife then, as if your ambition is the societal ladder education does have importance. However, what I can say is that nowadays there are fantastic internet courses available, just look for those who are big in your field, have a good track record and have done what you've done and you can learn a lot from them, paid or through free content they produce.
 

Cavalier

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
This thread is inspired by @InternetStranger’s post:

What a relevant and complicated topic to discuss… I have daughters and I am not sure how to direct them regarding this also. Mainly, I’ve have (since they were young) told them how important being a good wife and mother is and that there is nothing wrong with being a Mom and not having a career. That being said… there is the reality of the world we live in and, unfortunately, they most likely will have to provide for themselves and future family at some point and can’t just live at home for an indefinite amount of time without contributing financially to the household while waiting for a husband to materialize out of thin air.

So, what should a young woman do?
Colleges today are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. They brainwash young people to be against everything that is good and right. I wouldn’t encourage a young man or woman to go to one.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Colleges today are nothing but Marxist indoctrination centers. They brainwash young people to be against everything that is good and right. I wouldn’t encourage a young man or woman to go to one.

I think most degrees could be pared down to one or two year programs. The first year is thirteenth grade, and you're burnt out after two years.

Four years seems like an enormous amount of time to a 17/18 yr old.
 

Cavalier

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
I think most degrees could be pared down to one or two year programs. The first year is thirteenth grade, and you're burnt out after two years.

Four years seems like an enormous amount of time to a 17/18 yr old.
The original idea of college being a complete education was for the old Wasp Patrician Class. But they studied Greek, Latin the classics etc. The modern idea retains the caricature of a complete education but now instead of Greek, Latin and the classics, they teach fake African History, Gender Studies, degenerate modern literature, etc. so total waste of time. Also the old Wasps didn’t need a career as they already had inherited wealth. The modern student goes to learn a subject to be employed. So in that respect it is more of a kind of vocational school. That being the case they could eliminate all the unnecessary subjects a student is required to take and focus only on the relevant material. I studied Engineering. I really wish I could have saved the time and money wasted on unnecessary subjects. The non science classes I was forced to take were full of sub par students and libtard professors and that was 30 years ago. I really can’t imagine how bad it is now.
 
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