Signs of escalation into a World War

JohnKreese

Pelican
Catholic

Sirens sound in northern Kosovo, background unclear - report

The Serbian president had stated Serbia has "never been in a more complex and difficult situation [with Kosovo] than it is today."​


Skirmishes (injuries confirmed) at the disputed border between Kosovo and Serbia. The Serbian president is giving an emergency address at 9PM local time tonight to discuss the situation; rumor is, he is going to announce that Kosovo is going to invade Serbia at midnight tonight.

Obviously, there is LONG-standing beef between these two, but given the current situation, this is more evidence of the ongoing proxy war (Serbia has good relations with Russia; Kosovo has a US Army-controlled facility).
 

Brebelle3

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
My priest was in Serbia in 1999. He was in seminary and minutes after walking a particular street, bombs landed where he had just passed.

One of his seminary brothers was killed.

SMH at Blinken and the US. Praying for my church and the Serbian Orthodox.

My priest is the greatest human being I know.
 

DenizenJane

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
It seems that all the diplomatic arm twisting that the US established in its infinite unwisdom is starting to come unglued at around the same time.

If Serbia v Kosovo boils over, I can easily see China v Taiwan going hot immediately following...

Because at the very end of the day, whether fair or not, these are countries that exist only because Uncle Sam says they do. But now we're at last defaulting on our credibility on the world stage, and everybody is finally calling our bluff and no longer giving a damn what we think.

This is really going to start getting under the skin of our US overlords, as they're not used to this.
 

Pointy Elbows

Kingfisher
Orthodox
It seems that all the diplomatic arm twisting that the US established in its infinite unwisdom is starting to come unglued at around the same time.

If Serbia v Kosovo boils over, I can easily see China v Taiwan going hot immediately following...

Because at the very end of the day, whether fair or not, these are countries that exist only because Uncle Sam says they do. But now we're at last defaulting on our credibility on the world stage, and everybody is finally calling our bluff and no longer giving a damn what we think.

This is really going to start getting under the skin of our US overlords, as they're not used to this.
"Strategic Ambiguity" was the label given to the US position re: Taiwan for a very long time. We recognized the "two governments, one State" idea, etc. I theorize that team Biden tried a similar approach in Ukraine, and such ambiguity lasted less than one Zelensky term. We told Zelensky "the US won't openly admit you aren't getting into NATO, so you can say what you want." Zelensky was too immature to understand what his bravado and brinksmanship would bring (or not, even more cynically), and here we are.

Now, US "ambiguity" is pierced. Our proxy is getting slowly killed. Our weapon systems are being exposed. Our NATO allies have glaring weaknesses. NATO members are torn between alliance obligations and rational self-interest. Worst of all, it is clear to the world that "the US ain't fighting, they're cheerleading and banking."

Ukraine ambiguity has blown up in Ukraine's face. The strangeness of Kosovo may be melting down as we speak. If China choses to test our will, and wins, then who knows what comes. So why not send Nancy Pelosi to Taipei? Makes me wonder if her husband just took a big position in some PLA owned weapon manufacturers.
 

TheosisSeeker

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
It seems that all the diplomatic arm twisting that the US established in its infinite unwisdom is starting to come unglued at around the same time.

If Serbia v Kosovo boils over, I can easily see China v Taiwan going hot immediately following...

Because at the very end of the day, whether fair or not, these are countries that exist only because Uncle Sam says they do. But now we're at last defaulting on our credibility on the world stage, and everybody is finally calling our bluff and no longer giving a damn what we think.

This is really going to start getting under the skin of our US overlords, as they're not used to this.

As someone who has lived here, the majority of the entire US goverment / corporate system is based on bullcrap and bluffs. Like those guys who talk trash to professional fighters, yet never step in the ring to fight them.

Truth and reality have been drained from this country in almost every institution. To get back on solid ground the good people in the government need to take it back.

It's been one recent disaster after another, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and soon China.

It will be a domino effect as it is proven now that the US will not really come to anyone's aid, they'll just give money and arms, which just bankrupts us more.

If Chinese culture was not so risk averse, they'd have already made a move at Taiwan.
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
It really seems like the USA wants China to attack. Will China take the bait? I believe America wants to prove itself, because Russia is making the USA look weak.

So by provoking China into attacking us, we then get to demonstrate the real backbone of American military - its world class navy, the finest ever built in the history of humanity. If China attacks us, they could see their entire naval fleet wrecked within 72 hours. This looks like a major military operation and false flag wrapped into one - Pelosi probably won't be on the plane that is supposed to go to Taiwan - so America gets the excuse to crush China's navy before it can be developed any further. And by demonstrating American might at sea, America will be able to secure its reputation as a world power with Europe, encouraging them to fight Russia until the last man.

The reason I am confident it would be a mistake for China to attack the US Navy isn't because of our boats or aircraft carriers, but submarine fleets. It's the part you can't see that dominates the sea. Every one of China's little boats would be torpedo practice for America's massive submarine fleet. What we see with Russia's artillery annihilating Ukraine, we will see the converse with American subs dismantling China's navy and forcing them back into their slave role for American consumers.

If China takes the bait they will get wrecked, utterly, and Russia's position will also thereby be that much weaker.

This also raises the point - why is defending Taiwan so important? Why not bring chip manufacturing back home to America? And the reason is very simple - those in control of the money supply do not want to empower regular Americans, they fear them much more than the Chinese. That is why no manufacturing is brought back to America, let alone microchips. America is always kept from being self-sufficient by design, it keeps the boss chews in power.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Pelosi probably won't be on the plane that is supposed to go to Taiwan
If they're trying to goad China into war, they may very well have to make Pelosi the sacrifice, since if they claim Pelosi died in some Chinese attack as casus belli for attacking China, it really would not be in their interest to reveal Pelosi later. Satan hates his servants as much as he hates the rest of us.
 

durangotang

Ostrich
It really seems like the USA wants China to attack. Will China take the bait? I believe America wants to prove itself, because Russia is making the USA look weak.

So by provoking China into attacking us, we then get to demonstrate the real backbone of American military - its world class navy, the finest ever built in the history of humanity. If China attacks us, they could see their entire naval fleet wrecked within 72 hours. This looks like a major military operation and false flag wrapped into one - Pelosi probably won't be on the plane that is supposed to go to Taiwan - so America gets the excuse to crush China's navy before it can be developed any further. And by demonstrating American might at sea, America will be able to secure its reputation as a world power with Europe, encouraging them to fight Russia until the last man.

The reason I am confident it would be a mistake for China to attack the US Navy isn't because of our boats or aircraft carriers, but submarine fleets. It's the part you can't see that dominates the sea. Every one of China's little boats would be torpedo practice for America's massive submarine fleet. What we see with Russia's artillery annihilating Ukraine, we will see the converse with American subs dismantling China's navy and forcing them back into their slave role for American consumers.

If China takes the bait they will get wrecked, utterly, and Russia's position will also thereby be that much weaker.

This also raises the point - why is defending Taiwan so important? Why not bring chip manufacturing back home to America? And the reason is very simple - those in control of the money supply do not want to empower regular Americans, they fear them much more than the Chinese. That is why no manufacturing is brought back to America, let alone microchips. America is always kept from being self-sufficient by design, it keeps the boss chews in power.

It's more work than I am willing to do right now to try to understand the intricacies of the different submarine fleets, but it appears as if China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran have more submarines in their fleet than the United States, all of NATO, Japan, South Korea and Australia combined. I don't know how they stack up, but it's not as if the other side doesn't have submarines of their own.

Sources:


I am no longer a believer in the United States military. I do not believe that it has the capability to function any longer as a normal fighting force. Obama's purge of military officers seems to have fundamentally transformed the military. It's now a woke hot mess.


The follow are just a few instances over recent years from memory:

1)
In peacetime, Navy Cmdr. Cameron Aljilani nearly sank a $3 billion nuclear submarine while navigating the South China Sea, in what was determined a preventable negligent accident.

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https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-mountain-last-fall-red-flags-abounded/?jr=on

From the article:

The retired submariner Clark said it was “extremely unusual” for a CO to get counseled, receive a letter of instruction and still retain command. “Any one of these would be a career-ender for a CO, even if he or she made it to the end of their tour,” Clark said. “Very few COs receive even one counseling or LOI. This ship was not performing well for the CO’s entire tour.”

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2) We also lost the USS Bonhomme Richard while at port in San Diego due to a fire that the crew had no idea how to put out. You can be sure that they were up on their diversity, equity and inclusion training though. Repairs were estimated at $3.6 billion, so it was scrapped.

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From the article:

While one sailor has been charged with setting the fire, the more than 400-page report, obtained by the Associated Press, lists three dozen officers and sailors whose failings either directly led to the ship’s loss or contributed to it. The findings detailed widespread lapses in training, coordination, communication, fire preparedness, equipment maintenance and overall command and control.

3) There's also the first F35 female fighter pilot who lost her plane in the South China Sea (on her first flight):


The bottom line is that the US military is demoralized, weak, and woke. Get woke, go broke. That's saying nothing of the loss of soldiers due to vaccine mandates either. In fact, the Army is having "unprecedented challenges" in recruitment, despite $35k recruitment offers and lowering of standards.




 
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Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox
It really seems like the USA wants China to attack. Will China take the bait? I believe America wants to prove itself, because Russia is making the USA look weak.
At this point in time I think it almost makes more sense not think think of "the USA" or "the Deep State" and more of just "The Cabal". I don't really think the US are doing concerted efforts any more, it's just talmudic deconstructivism at this point, throwing Christians into the meat grinder with no deeper purpose outside of killing Christians/Europeans (which I guess makes sense from an Antichrist world domination perspective). Reigniting the Balkan conflicts helps with that, pouring money into Ukraine (a lot of which will probably end up in Israel in a roundabout way, so technically that's also going great), and now also kill all that's left of the US by throwing them against China, because they have been sucked dry and now with the Christian nationalists it might be getting too hot anyway, so collect the military spending and au revoir. Next up, infecting the Eurasian alliance (which they will), financing violent groups, Islamic and otherwise, in Europe as a Schmittian opponent to Russia against which the Christ-haters can prove their supposed usefulness and further act out their spite against us. "Israel is Russia's greatest ally against Terrorism" and so on, the old game. Quite possibly its last iteration, but who knows.

Point being, there is no "the USA" or "Germany" or whatever, just a conglomerate of corrupt organizations who have been fed varying versions of the same liberal Talmudic narrative. Our countries basically don't exist as nation states any more. There is no directed-ness to any of the actions we see, just Chews doing what they always do and some weird masonic type goyim losing it as they slowly figure out they will not become platonic philosopher kings who live forever. Given that the US is run by Jews, I don't think they are afraid of looking weak, because they fundamentally don't care, they'll just run down the system they inhabit and then settle down on some beach near Tel Aviv surrounded by 12 year old catamites.
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
No offense, but those sub stats look fabricated. Moreover, the anecdotal stories of wokeness are bad, but does not tell us the entire picture. Additionally, we have no idea what kind of corruption exists inside of the Chinese forces either.

The Chinese can't even build houses that last more than 10 years, you expect me to believe their sub fleet is larger and more powerful than ours? Extremely doubtful.

If China has the guns they will use them, otherwise Pelosi lands and China is revealed to be a paper tiger. They keep saying they will go to war with us, but words mean nothing without action. Ultimately it's time for China to put up or shut up.

EDIT:

Forgot to post this link - https://www.yahoo.com/video/putin-says-russian-navy-hypersonic-084124580.html

Putin publicly praises the American Navy as THE force to beat.

Shortly before the speech, he signed a new 55-page naval doctrine, which sets out the broad strategic aims of Russia's navy, including its ambitions as a "great maritime power" which extend over the entire world.

The main threat to Russia, the doctrine says, is "the strategic policy of the USA to dominate the world's oceans" and the movement of the NATO military alliance closer towards Russia's borders.

You don't use America an example of who to beat if they aren't actually powerful. And Putin is the most based leader of them all, he knows as well as I do that America's navy is S-tier and by far the #1 reason for American dominance.
 
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DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
The reason I am confident it would be a mistake for China to attack the US Navy isn't because of our boats or aircraft carriers, but submarine fleets. It's the part you can't see that dominates the sea. Every one of China's little boats would be torpedo practice for America's massive submarine fleet. What we see with Russia's artillery annihilating Ukraine, we will see the converse with American subs dismantling China's navy and forcing them back into their slave role for American consumers.
I'm very glad you mentioned submarines. In the era of hypersonic anti-ship missiles, modern Navies will have to focus on building more and better submarines if they want to operate within a few hundred miles of hostile coast. I personally think if nuclear submarines are cost prohibitive, there is nothing wrong with diesel submarines. Other nations have quite competent diesel submarines, and you don't even need them to be extremely stealthy, just moreso than surface ships, and with the added inherent ability of being essentially immune to hypersonic anti-ship missiles unless surfaced. I think there should even be submersible escort carriers, since our current fleet carriers are just massive, albeit fast, targets.
It's more work than I am willing to do right now to try to understand the intricacies of the different submarine fleets, but it appears as if China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran have more submarines in their fleet than the United States, all of NATO, Japan, South Korea and Australia combined. I don't know how they stack up, but it's not as if the other side doesn't have submarines of their own.

Sources:


I am no longer a believer in the United States military. I do not believe that it has the capability to function any longer as a normal fighting force. Obama's purge of military officers seems to have fundamentally transformed the military. It's now a woke hot mess.


The follow are just a few instances over recent years from memory:

1)
In peacetime, Navy Cmdr. Cameron Aljilani nearly sank a $3 billion nuclear submarine while navigating the South China Sea, in what was determined a preventable negligent accident.

0x0.jpg


https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-mountain-last-fall-red-flags-abounded/?jr=on

From the article:

The retired submariner Clark said it was “extremely unusual” for a CO to get counseled, receive a letter of instruction and still retain command. “Any one of these would be a career-ender for a CO, even if he or she made it to the end of their tour,” Clark said. “Very few COs receive even one counseling or LOI. This ship was not performing well for the CO’s entire tour.”

1067432.jpg


2) We also lost the USS Bonhomme Richard while at port in San Diego due to a fire that the crew had no idea how to put out. You can be sure that they were up on their diversity, equity and inclusion training though. Repairs were estimated at $3.6 billion, so it was scrapped.

url-https-california-times-brightspot-s3-amazonaws.webp



From the article:

While one sailor has been charged with setting the fire, the more than 400-page report, obtained by the Associated Press, lists three dozen officers and sailors whose failings either directly led to the ship’s loss or contributed to it. The findings detailed widespread lapses in training, coordination, communication, fire preparedness, equipment maintenance and overall command and control.

3) There's also the first F35 female fighter pilot who lost her plane in the South China Sea (on her first flight):


The bottom line is that the US military is demoralized, weak, and woke. Get woke, go broke. That's saying nothing of the loss of soldiers due to vaccine mandates either. In fact, the Army is having "unprecedented challenges" in recruitment, despite $35k recruitment offers and lowering of standards.





I know Russia has some extremely competent submarines (particularly the Severodvinsk Class), but they are not numerous.

I have my reservations about the capabilities of the Chinese submarine force. For one, they are by and large smaller and less stealthy hulls which leads me to believe the US Navy would be able to pick them off from a distance and not give them much, or any, time to react.

Also, yes, the US military is losing competence, but the Chinese military is not without her weaknesses. Their maritime navigators are known to be terrible and their fighter pilots, with already inferior training, are now dramatically cutting their fighter pilots' training.

I think in a fair assessment of the two countries military capabilities would be as follows:

US
  • Declining power
  • Advanced equipment, minus hypersonic missiles
  • Superior training for fighter pilots, for now
  • Overall superior air force and navy
China
  • Larger industry
  • Superior morale - questionable how much superior though with their lockdowns and suppression of dissent
  • Rising power
  • Home field advantage; can utilize shore based installations and weapons, including hypersonic missiles
It has all the markings of a Thucydides Trap, where a rising power and an established yet declining power come into conflict. China has every interest to not escalate, assuming their General Secretary is not facing pressure to escalate conflict due to jingoistic tendencies within his military and from his people, but I do not believe this to be the case due to looking at Chinese history - they are much more capable of delayed gratification, so to speak, than the US Empire.

Edit: I will also mention that the US still has a somewhat effective meritocracy in place to choose her submariners and fighter pilots - it is nowhere near as bad as in the surface fleet or among more logistics and bureaucratic oriented parts of the military.
 
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Foolsgo1d

Peacock
China would get hurt yes, but last time I checked the USA is linked to China through debt and its endless demand for goods. Medicines included.

Nobody truly knows how such a scenario would unfold but Americans and their Jewish overlords are stupid enough to do it.

This is not the 20th Century. The world is tired of American and NATO imperialism and the West is hollowed out from within. Do we really want to send whats left of our most physical and mentally able men into a meat grinder of nuclear, biological and chemical terror?

A draft would not work. China would implode internally and the world would follow. It may look great to see Chinas navy sunk but the USN wouldn't be far behind.
 
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