Signs of escalation into a World War

TheosisSeeker

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Second largest military in NATO:


The Western nations always seem to follow this cowardly style of provocation.

It's like if a group surrounds you and starts yelling obscenities, shoving you, robbing you, and talking trash. You lash out and punch them. You are then labeled as the aggressor and they are victims.

This behavior seems embedded in US society.
 

frankpax

Pigeon
Orthodox
Please, come to Romania as well. You'll love it here. Men look like men, women look like women, bears look like bears and the percentage of tattooed and/or wacky hair colored people is very low.
Where do you think that comes from, or better said, what kept that? Why were these positive traits preserved in the former Soviet block, whereas the "free" half of Europe is virtually lost? I am also from a former Soviet satellite and I have seen the bad and the good. Small nations have never been totally free and we know now that Western freedom is an illusion. Romanians, and all the others Easterners, will become just like the Germans or the Swedes, unless something changes.

The Soviet system was poorer, but more moral; less sophisticated, but more straightforward and honest. It was less of the tribe, it wasn't run by them. The problem was that it was created by the tribe in the first place. After it became Russian, it became better, but it was officially against God, so it had to go. It is now gone.

We now know that the West was with God only on paper. Now they are against God more than what the Soviets used to be. I used to hate the Soviets, but I have to admit it was a better world when they existed.
 

911

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I don't think the Soviet-era system in Romania was more moral, it was just a different type of immorality. Romania was the worst communist regime in the late 20th century, I think Czeckoslovakia, Hungary or the DDR were significantly better even though they weren't exactly panaceas. But all these countries were indeed much less degenerate, if still immoral.
 

Zanardi

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@frankpax I see your point, but I think it was more the Orthodoxy than the Soviet regime. If you are from a former Soviet satellite, as I am, I am sure that you are aware of the bad things that happened as well, like very poor economic condition, poverty, tough oppression by the authorities, etc. This lead (at least in Romania) to poor literacy and lots of naivete. As an example, when the Chernobyl disaster happened, the news was broadcasted in Romania 2-3 days after the event, when many people were on their holidays in the Black Sea. Also, many people thought that simply putting in the window dampened cloth will protect you against radiation.

Also, in the late 80s everything was rationalized, because Ceausescu wanted to pay all the foreign debt we had. Noble intention, but Romania's industry was obsolete. Nobody bought our stuff. Thus, he sold almost everything we had, rationalizing things like eggs, salami (if it was to be found), gasoline, electricity, heating, etc. This is one of the cause that lead to the 1989 revolution.

Romania was the worst communist regime in the late 20th century

I don't know if it was like this, but nobody around wants those dark 50 years back.

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Judging by the trend of this topic and of this section dedicated to the war, I fully understand you, guys, but up to a point. Yes, I am pro-traditional family. Yes, I don't like girls with cooky hair colors, piercings and tattoos (I am still deciding if these types of girls are mentally ill or not, because I met girls on both sides of the spectrum). Yes, I fully agree that a child needs both a mother and a father, subservient to God and his teachings. Yes, I fully agree that men should strive to become better at their masculine qualities (and other values). But I cannot agree with the trend that because Russia shares a part of the values that we have here, it must win the war. I don't claim to have an excellent knowledge of the Bible and of God's teachings, but I fail to see where the holiness is and the holy teachings are in waging a war.

I saw in a post that Russia tried to have good relationships with the ex-sovietic states, after 1990. Completely false. Remember the Transnistrian war between 1990 and 1992, which involved Moldova, and which ended with Moldova losing de facto a piece of its territory, with Russian intervention? In that war, it seemed that the Moldovan police force (it didn't have an army back then) were defeating the rebels, throwing them out of the country. This is until Boris Yeltsin phoned the Moldovan president, Mircea Ion Snegur, threatening that he will bomb Moldova...

The Ruso-Ukrainian war is differently seen from the other side of the world, closer to the action :)
 
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frankpax

Pigeon
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@Zanardi It was of course because of Orthodoxy, but mainly that emanating, by its sheer size and unseen, from Russia. The current basedness of the Eastern Europeans knows no religion. Look at the Catholic Poles, Hungarians, the Slovaks don’t lag behind. Even the East Germans stand against their more thoroughly brainwashed Western brothers. They all have one thing in common: ex-members of the former Iron Curtain club. Obviously that curtain protected their minds (and souls), from a worse evil than communism. One much more cunning and deceiving, one capable of giving more at first, with the intent to take more (your soul) in the future.

Under communism (as in its last decades), essentially you were poorer, although not a pauper, religion was discouraged, but not forbidden, and travel was restricted. Back then, they had less political freedom, but under current standards we have now even less freedom. Under communism you could say negr, cigan, fag without consequences and there was very little forced integration. Pornography, homosexuality, feminism, consumerism, mass third world invasion, illegal immigration, were forbidden or discouraged. Family, civility, love of country, tradition, culture, health, all of course tainted by atheism, were promoted.

Communism had to go and it is gone now. Time to realize the enemy now is not Russia, but the actual creators of communism, who are and had been for a very long time, the rulers of the West.

I realize this is off topic, so this my last post off of it.
 

Yeagerist

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@Zanardi It was of course because of Orthodoxy, but mainly that emanating, by its sheer size and unseen, from Russia. The current basedness of the Eastern Europeans knows no religion. Look at the Catholic Poles, Hungarians, the Slovaks don’t lag behind. Even the East Germans stand against their more thoroughly brainwashed Western brothers. They all have one thing in common: ex-members of the former Iron Curtain club. Obviously that curtain protected their minds (and souls), from a worse evil than communism. One much more cunning and deceiving, one capable of giving more at first, with the intent to take more (your soul) in the future.

Under communism (as in its last decades), essentially you were poorer, although not a pauper, religion was discouraged, but not forbidden, and travel was restricted. Back then, they had less political freedom, but under current standards we have now even less freedom. Under communism you could say negr, cigan, fag without consequences and there was very little forced integration. Pornography, homosexuality, feminism, consumerism, mass third world invasion, illegal immigration, were forbidden or discouraged. Family, civility, love of country, tradition, culture, health, all of course tainted by atheism, were promoted.

Communism had to go and it is gone now. Time to realize the enemy now is not Russia, but the actual creators of communism, who are and had been for a very long time, the rulers of the West.

I realize this is off topic, so this my last post off of it.
I think the discrepancy and cognitive dissonance comes from projecting our modern view of Western wokeness to Soviet-era Eastern Europe, just because they share the common label of Communism. We have to realize that for Russian and Chinese nationalists (and other people with similar views) Communism stood for resistance against Anglo-American imperialism, regardless of the guiding ideology of whoever ruled over America and Western Europe at any point in time. They see the present-day woke globohomo system as the continuation of National-Socialist Germany and Anglo-French colonialism. So all of the moral degeneracy being exported from America is seen as just another manifestation of capitalist exploitation or even fascism, even if such a view is incongruent in the context of modern-day Dissident Right-wingers.

But I vehemently disagree with your judgement that the present woke influence is a worse evil than Communism, for such a conclusion effectively legitimizes the entire period of Soviet rule. What was the point, then, of condemning the murder of Tsar Nicholas and his family and the persecution of the Orthodox Church if the godless revolutionaries were supposedly "based" in comparison to their 21st Century soy boy Antifa admirers?
 

Samseau

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I think the discrepancy and cognitive dissonance comes from projecting our modern view of Western wokeness to Soviet-era Eastern Europe, just because they share the common label of Communism. We have to realize that for Russian and Chinese nationalists (and other people with similar views) Communism stood for resistance against Anglo-American imperialism, regardless of the guiding ideology of whoever ruled over America and Western Europe at any point in time. They see the present-day woke globohomo system as the continuation of National-Socialist Germany and Anglo-French colonialism. So all of the moral degeneracy being exported from America is seen as just another manifestation of capitalist exploitation or even fascism, even if such a view is incongruent in the context of modern-day Dissident Right-wingers.

But I vehemently disagree with your judgement that the present woke influence is a worse evil than Communism, for such a conclusion effectively legitimizes the entire period of Soviet rule. What was the point, then, of condemning the murder of Tsar Nicholas and his family and the persecution of the Orthodox Church if the godless revolutionaries were supposedly "based" in comparison to their 21st Century soy boy Antifa admirers?

There are many degrees of evil. Just because one is bad doesn't mean there can't be something worse.
 

Bird

Pelican
Catholic
"The country will be on fire and the concrete will melt".
Russia warns of "prologue to the Third World War".

The West's arms deliveries to Ukraine increase the risk of a tactical nuclear strike. Selenski's plan to forge a new military alliance called the "Kiev Security Pact" was immediately met with a warning from Moscow: The project harbors the potential to trigger World War III.

Kiev Security Pact


The Kyiv Security Compact (KSC) is said to have been proposed and elaborated by former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen and Andrij Jermak, the head of Ukraine's Presidential Office. The idea behind it is that Ukraine should receive full support from the military alliance without NATO membership. As a result, Ukraine would be integrated into all NATO structures, such as military training and intelligence sharing. Furthermore, Ukraine could benefit from numerous military assistance activities. This would increase Ukraine's defense capabilities many times over, while full NATO membership is a long-term goal.

Russian reaction

The Kremlin's reaction to this plan came posthaste. Dmitry Medvedev, former president of Russia, as well as now deputy chairman of the Russian Federation Security Council, warned in no uncertain terms that this plan, if realized, would be "a prologue to World War III." Medvedev's statement carries weight; after all, he is a member of Russia's top leadership and head of the ruling United Russia party. On the other hand, this is not the first time Medvedev has threatened a nuclear attack.

Specifically, he stated:


"And then the Western nations will no longer be able to sit in their clean houses and laugh about how they are carefully and vicariously weakening Russia. Everything will be on fire around them. Their people will reap their sorrow to the fullest. The country will be on fire and the concrete will melt. And yet the narrow-minded politicians and their stupid think tanks, thoughtfully turning a glass of wine in their hands, talk about how to deal with us without going directly to war. Stupid idiots with classical education."

Biden threatens Moscow with international consequences

U.S. President Joe Biden responded by warning in an interview with CBS published Friday that Russia could face international consequences if it used chemical or tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. The U.S. president's sharp words likely added further fuel to the fire. You can see an excerpt of the interview in the original audio here:





 

frankpax

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Yeagerist

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Looks like other Eastern European countries are becoming emboldened by Russia's war and starting to assert their respective national interests at the expense of Ukraine. How will the EU and the US respond when Romania, Hungary and Poland start carving up Ukraine like some pie?

 

JohnKreese

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Catholic
Looks like other Eastern European countries are becoming emboldened by Russia's war and starting to assert their respective national interests at the expense of Ukraine. How will the EU and the US respond when Romania, Hungary and Poland start carving up Ukraine like some pie?

Pretty dumb thing of that guy to say, especially given the context.

The Hungarian minister could just be like "cool. You take your little bit of Ukraine and then give us the 2/3 of 'your' country you owe us."
 
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Yeagerist

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As grim as this revelation is, we can discern how NATO and Washington are seeking to find ways to escalate the war in Ukraine out of desperation in the looming winter energy drought and recession with inflation. War between Armenia and Azerbaijan has already broken out again as a "soft underbelly" move by the West to open up any Russian vulnerability. As always, the globalist elites are playing plausible deniability to justify using Finland and the Baltic states to create another front. But there's no way that Putin and his advisors wouldn't have come up with contingency plans of their own to counter NATO's moves.
 

budoslavic

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Putin Announces Partial Mobilization In Ukraine War Escalation, Says West Wants To "Destroy Russia"​

In a nationwide address that was delayed from its prime-time Tuesday delivery and ahead of votes in four Ukraine regions to join Russia, on Wednesday morning Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a partial military mobilization, while vowing to use all means necessary to defend Russia and pledged to annex the territories already occupied by Russia, raising the stakes in the seven-month-old conflict.

Calling the moves “urgent, necessary steps to defend the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia,” Putin said that Russia is fighting the full might of NATO. The US and its allies, he said, are seeking to “destroy” Russia.

The partial mobilization means that reservists will be drafted into military service, Putin said, starting immediately. The Armed Forces will draw on military reservists only, and those who have completed national service, the president said promising that they will be provided with additional training along with all the benefits due to people involved in active duty.

The measure is "sensible and necessary" under the circumstances, Putin stated, adding that he has already signed an order for the call-up to start immediately.

In his speech, Putin accused Kiev of backing away from peace talks, acting on direct orders from its Western allies. Instead of negotiating, the Ukrainian government has beefed up its military with NATO-trained troops, many of whom are neo-Nazi extremists, he said.

Putin also accused the west of using "nuclear blackmail" against Russia noting that "if its territorial integrity is threatened Russia will definitely use all the means at its disposal." to defend Russian territory. "This is not a bluff."

Russian forces sent to Ukraine in February have secured a large portion of territory claimed by the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics as well as parts of Ukraine, and the resulting frontline stretches over 1,000km, according to the Russian president.

Putin also commented on the upcoming referendums in the two Donbass republics and two regions of Ukraine currently controlled to a large extent by Russian troops. The territories which include Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia provinces, have announced plebiscites on whether become part of Russia, with the ballots scheduled to start on Friday. Putin said his government will respect the outcome of the four referendums, and provide security for the voting process.

Some other notable highlights from Putin's address:

  • the contracts for reserves last "until the end of the partial mobilization period" i.e. indefinitely
  • governors of Russian regions decide who and how many people get sent to the front
Putin's full decree on mobilization can be found on the Kremlin website although it is blocked for most western browsers. It says mobilized Russians will be treated the same as contract troops. The criteria for exemption are age, health, being in jail, and working in the armaments industry. Details from the (google-translated) decree below:

In accordance with the federal laws of May 31, 1996 No. 61-FZ "On Defense", of February 26, 1997 No. 31-FZ "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" and of March 28, 1998 No. 53- Federal Law "On military duty and military service" I decide:

1. To announce partial mobilization in the Russian Federation from September 21, 2022.
2. To carry out the call of citizens of the Russian Federation for military service for mobilization in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Citizens of the Russian Federation called up for military service by mobilization have the status of military personnel serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation under a contract.
3. Establish that the level of pay for citizens of the Russian Federation called up for military service by mobilization into the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation corresponds to the level of pay for military personnel serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation under a contract.
4. Contracts for the passage of military service concluded by military personnel continue to be valid until the end of the period of partial mobilization, with the exception of cases of dismissal of military personnel from military service on the grounds established by this Decree.
5. Establish during the period of partial mobilization the following grounds for the dismissal from military service of servicemen undergoing military service under a contract, as well as citizens of the Russian Federation called up for military service for mobilization in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation:
a) by age - upon reaching the age limit for military service;
b) for health reasons - in connection with their recognition by the military medical commission as unfit for military service, with the exception of military personnel who have expressed a desire to continue military service in military positions that can be replaced by the specified military personnel;
c) in connection with the entry into force of a court verdict on the imposition of a sentence of imprisonment.
6. To the Government of the Russian Federation:
a) to finance activities for partial mobilization;
b) take the necessary measures to meet the needs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations and bodies during the period of partial mobilization.
8. The highest officials of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation shall ensure the conscription of citizens for military service for mobilization in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the number and within the time limits determined by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for each constituent entity of the Russian Federation.
9. Provide citizens of the Russian Federation working in organizations of the military-industrial complex with the right to deferment from conscription for military service for mobilization (for the period of work in these organizations). The categories of citizens of the Russian Federation who are granted the right to deferment and the procedure for granting it are determined by the Government of the Russian Federation.
10. This Decree comes into force from the day of its official publication.

Following Putin's address, Russia's minister of defense Sergei Shoigu also delivered a nationwide TV address, in which he said that the battlefield conditions in Ukraine as "difficult."

"We are not fighting with Ukraine, but with the collective west " he said, noting mobilization will be gradual, not one-time. He also added more nuclear threats: "All types of arms, including the nuclear triad, are fulfilling their tasks."

Some more highlights from Shoigu's address:
  • Calling up the reserves adds about 300,000 men to Russia's forces
  • "These are not people who've never seen or heard anything about the army."
  • Students are exempt and "only 1% of mobilization potential" will be used
Following the partial mobilization announcement, oil and gold surged...
 

Yeagerist

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Border clashes erupted between two of the Stan countries in Central Asia, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, over a narrow but fertile and densely populated region which the two states had been contesting for decades after the dissolution of the USSR. Apparently fighting has gone on and off, and there was a ceasefire signed upon last month (according to Wikipedia). And the timing of renewed fighting cannot be dismissed as a coincidence with the resumption of war between Armenia and Azerbaijan and the stalling of Ukraine's counteroffensives.

 

911

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It's an empty threat, because Russia is never going to use its nukes, first strike is against their nuclear doctrine. Only the NATO Dr. Stragelove types are crazy enough to believe they can win with nukes.

Also, if the US openly attacks Russian vessels, the Russians will have no trouble sinking any USN aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean or in the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea.
 

Yeagerist

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It's an empty threat, because Russia is never going to use its nukes, first strike is against their nuclear doctrine. Only the NATO Dr. Stragelove types are crazy enough to believe they can win with nukes.

Also, if the US openly attacks Russian vessels, the Russians will have no trouble sinking any USN aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean or in the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea.
That kind of fake news works because so many hyped up normies don't know about nuclear deterrence or mutual assured destruction. Honestly I suspect that a lot of edgelords on social media subconsciously cheer for World War III because of stuff like Red Alert or Call of Duty.
I see the same pattern in the Korean Peninsula. No matter what neocon propaganda says, North Korea doesn't even really have to fire up an ICBM to the other side of the Pacific. The thousands of artillery pieces they deploy alone alongside the DMZ are enough to deal a substantial blow to South Korea in a 24-hour barrage, before US-ROK forces can mount a counteroffensive. And if the US think they can win by carpet bombing Pyongyang all over again the Norks had already prepared for that with their vast network of underground shelters. And all of this assuming that China and Russia will just go on spectator mode.
 
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