Signs of Low Notch Count in a Woman

redbeard

Hummingbird
Gold Member
PapayaTapper said:
MichaelWitcoff said:
RDF is right about acting nonjudgmental in the beginning. If you espouse trad values up front, the ones you aren’t looking for will just ghost on you.

^Fixed

Boredom is to young women as daylight is to vampires

Agree

Tell a normie girl, "I'm not going to have sex with you, and I'm not going clubbing until 3 AM." Then watch her run for the hills.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
RDF said:
^ I can think of several girls who had many of those traits and were complete sluts, just better at hiding it.

From my experience, the one indicator that has so far never proven me wrong (as far as I know, at least) is when a girl holds sex in a very high regard and clearly believes that it is something special. These girls may even say things like "sex should be for two people who really love each other", but far more important than words is actions. A girl like this well get very shy when talking about it or referencing it, where you can tell it is something she desires though she isn't totally comfortable with it. This trait is a signal of my optimal combination for an LTR -- a sexual being who doesn't want to share it with too many people.

The problem though is that to be a better judge of women, you have to get out there and meet them. It's virtually impossible to learn this just from reading. When you have the experience, you build up a much better sense of whether a girl is genuine or full of shit.

Conversely: Best way to weed out sluts? Act very non-judgemental. Don't mention anything about having conservative values, looking for a wife, or the like. Most of the time, they'll tell you without you even needing to ask!

True, make her feel comfortable/safe and she will spill her guts. An excellent way to do this is to take a girl on some kind of road trip. People can't keep up a facade for 8-10 hours straight sitting beside another person unless they sleep through it. Very very long hikes and crisis also work.
 

wwtl

Kingfisher
redbeard said:
PapayaTapper said:
MichaelWitcoff said:
RDF is right about acting nonjudgmental in the beginning. If you espouse trad values up front, the ones you aren’t looking for will just ghost on you.

^Fixed

Boredom is to young women as daylight is to vampires

Agree

Tell a normie girl, "I'm not going to have sex with you, and I'm not going clubbing until 3 AM." Then watch her run for the hills.

Which Christian would a consider a "normie" girl?
 

Davidovich

Sparrow
Gold Member
Dr. Howard said:
RDF said:
^ I can think of several girls who had many of those traits and were complete sluts, just better at hiding it.

From my experience, the one indicator that has so far never proven me wrong (as far as I know, at least) is when a girl holds sex in a very high regard and clearly believes that it is something special. These girls may even say things like "sex should be for two people who really love each other", but far more important than words is actions. A girl like this well get very shy when talking about it or referencing it, where you can tell it is something she desires though she isn't totally comfortable with it. This trait is a signal of my optimal combination for an LTR -- a sexual being who doesn't want to share it with too many people.

The problem though is that to be a better judge of women, you have to get out there and meet them. It's virtually impossible to learn this just from reading. When you have the experience, you build up a much better sense of whether a girl is genuine or full of shit.

Conversely: Best way to weed out sluts? Act very non-judgemental. Don't mention anything about having conservative values, looking for a wife, or the like. Most of the time, they'll tell you without you even needing to ask!

True, make her feel comfortable/safe and she will spill her guts. An excellent way to do this is to take a girl on some kind of road trip. People can't keep up a facade for 8-10 hours straight sitting beside another person unless they sleep through it. Very very long hikes and crisis also work.

Hypnosis probably works better than a long road trip. One needs her consent to be hypnotized. You need the skill to take her into trance smoothly, and bring her out safely. Google Renegade Hypnotist.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Here's the single best litmus test I've ever found. This isn't the only factor by a long shot but it's a damn good one.


Find out her attitude towards contraception. I have yet to meet a slut who was opposed to contraception being legal.


This question more than any other cuts right to the heart of the matter. It is psychologically impossible for any girl who partakes in casual sex to say that contraception should be illegal, because her own mistakes would then be impossible and/or extremely risky. Nobody with a fear of responsibility for their actions or of committing will ever say that contraception should be illegal, because it is a tool that directly appeals to those vices. No person who believes that sex is separate from reproduction and therefore actually can be something you do just for fun will say that contraception should be illegal because it not being illegal would blow that lie apart.


In short, nobody who even remotely buys into today's cultural programming will even be able to consider the question of contraception being illegal, let alone endorse an affirmative answer to that question.

I'm sure there's some exceptions out there but so far I've noticed a near 100% correlation between women who oppose contraception and those with a zero or near-zero notch count who want to be mothers.


This is the rare time I say this but if you're Catholic I highly suggest using online dating with two sites in mind. The numbers are terrible but outshining the competition in most religious venues isn't particularly difficult if you're at least halfway masculine and have your basic shit in order.

First: AveMariaSingles is an extremely traditional site to begin with so nobody on there is going to be pozzed.

Second is use CatholicMatch. There's a lot of pozz on there BUT...big but...the site allows you to filter by people's answers on questions. Filter only for women who agree unconditionally with church teaching.
 

Eban

Robin
Easy_C said:
Here's the single best litmus test I've ever found. This isn't the only factor by a long shot but it's a damn good one.


Find out her attitude towards contraception. I have yet to meet a slut who was opposed to contraception being legal.

Why would anyone be opposed to contraception? I don't understand...
 

jasond

Woodpecker
A person's attitude towards contraception is a much more important litmus test, than their attitude towards abortion.

Someone who fully understands male and female human nature/sexuality, would be opposed to birth control. Birth control, and to a lesser extent, abortion, eliminates the checks and balances that are at the heart of healthy sexual relations. Nature designed women (and not men) to become pregnant (a high % of the time) after sex. This high probability restricted their decision-making, and forced them to choose sexual partners wisely. By eliminating this constraint, women are now able to use their sexual power in any way they choose. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Pregnancy was nature's way to put a restriction on this power.

It's similar to how a king without constraints tends to become ruthless..that's why the US Constitution created 3 branches of government..to prevent any one branch from gaining absolute power and becoming corrupt.
 

Eban

Robin
jasond said:
A person's attitude towards contraception is a much more important litmus test, than their attitude towards abortion.

Someone who fully understands male and female human nature/sexuality, would be opposed to birth control. Birth control, and to a lesser extent, abortion, eliminates the checks and balances that are at the heart of healthy sexual relations. Nature designed women (and not men) to become pregnant (a high % of the time) after sex. This high probability restricted their decision-making, and forced them to choose sexual partners wisely. By eliminating this constraint, women are now able to use their sexual power in any way they choose. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Pregnancy was nature's way to put a restriction on this power.

It's similar to how a king without constraints tends to become ruthless..that's why the US Constitution created 3 branches of government..to prevent any one branch from gaining absolute power and becoming corrupt.

I do not think any woman holds such views on contraception. I understand the revolution that the pill brought, but I doubt that any woman looks at it that way and wants it to be illegal. She would have to be some weirdo. Maybe I am deluded and have been around too many sluts all my life...
 

jasond

Woodpecker
There are definitely women that hold such views. If you only live in big cities on the coasts, you've probably never met them. Their numbers are small, but not non-existent. I attended the Acton Institute (www.acton.org) and met many of them. They tend to be concentrated in universities that you've never heard of, such as

https://www.avemaria.edu/
https://www.franciscan.edu/
https://www.benedictine.edu/

Go to these campuses, and the majority of women will be opposed to contraception.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
You’d be surprised how many women exist out there who do hold that position.

It’s a still a tiny, tiny, segment of the population but it’s still much larger than one would think at first glance.

And the main reason I’ve found that women oppose it is, as is usual with them, emotional. They opposite it either because that’s what the church says (so they know how to obey rules) or because they absolutely love children/family and find the idea of trying to not have kids repulsive on some level.

Either way works because both are characteristics of a great woman.
 

timmyk

Chicken
Gold Member
Eban said:
Since we are going old school traditional on this forum, please let me know where to find unicorns who look good and do not have a high notch count. By now I have seen enough to bare a certain resentment towards women because of their ease of access to sex (if she looks decent) and their seemingly absent sense of integrity, especially in sexual exclusivity. I have no idea how one can go from discovering female nature and game to settling down with a wife in a traditional marriage, knowing what you know. By 25 a decent looking female is like damaged goods in my eyes. Yes, she can pretend to be a good housewife because she is approaching the wall but we all know there is a slut in there somewhere with who knows what kind of dirty thoughts. So, what are the signs of a low notch unicorn who you can trust?

Here is what I came up with:

-Sucks at giving head/sex
-Socially awkward/grew up sheltered
-Used to be ugly until her plastic surgery last year

In my experience, the easiest way to find them with reasonable likelihood is going to a church. Even then, decent portion of them are promiscuous, so it will take some time to get know the girl before you can know her trustworthiness.

The caveat is that the most of those trustworthy girls get married at a very early age, usually between 20-22 and they marry with their high school bfs. I went to a christian private high school and can tell you based on my observation.

Besides that, you can look for young girls in LTR, but that it's not like her dating history is written on her face, so idk how practical it is to quickly spot them in general.

I agree with most of the other indicators mentioned, but I think they're more useful as tools to keep your peace of mind as you date that girl.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
How to tell if a woman has a low notch count?

Usually, you can see it in their face. Also, their overall demeanor and how they carry themselves.

"Slut face" and the "1000 cock stare" are real things.
 

randomA

Robin
Rob Banks said:
How to tell if a woman has a low notch count?

Usually, you can see it in their face. Also, their overall demeanor and how they carry themselves.

"Slut face" and the "1000 cock stare" are real things.
I don't know man, those are signals for VERY very high mileage.
What if mileage is lower but still way above the acceptable threshold of just a few men having penetrated her?
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
↑ From the latest article on Roosh's blog:

"Compare the modern promiscuous woman to a virgin who worships God and shuns pre-marital sex (or a repentant woman who has confessed her past sexual mistakes). Your game, which is tuned to making promiscuous women promiscuate, is now useless. The virgin believer may be attracted to you, and may even have thoughts of sleeping with you (that she banishes from her mind through prayer), but ultimately she will not act on that lust, because she already made a vow to God to save herself for her future husband. The best “game” on her is showing your faith and your ability to protect and provide for her and any potential children." (emphasis mine)

https://www.rooshv.com/game-is-for-fallen-women

I feel like when you meet a woman like this, you can tell she is the real deal by her overall vibe and the way she carries herself. It is not something you can describe or put into words.

Any woman who does not meet these criteria (virgin who worships God or repentant woman who has confessed her past sexual sins) should probably be avoided, even if she has "only" been penetrated by a few men.

Maybe an exception can be made for women who have an innate sense of right and wrong, shun fornication and premarital sex, but just happen not to have been brought up in the Church. In other words, women who believe in God but don't realize it.
 

Thriller

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Rush87 said:
The only signs of a low notch count: She's had a boyfriend for almost as long as she's been sexually active or she's 18.

Brilliant statement, and I agree. Those two things really are the two biggest signs of a low notch count.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Meekness and humility are reliable indicators. She shouldn't feel "confident" around strangers, especially men who may want to have sex with her.
 

Openears

Chicken
Knowing women with low notch counts, it's not hard to list what they share.

- Desire for traditional family
- Healthy relationship with family
- No major emotional trauma during formative years
- Christian faith was important to at least one parent of each woman, and I expect during childhood/adolescence it partially defined their moral perspectives.
- Each has achieved significant goals by leveraging work ethic and intelligence, showing a genuine desire for meaningful achievement. (medical careers)
- All seem to be social, but never sought social superiority. In other words, they still spend too much time on social media, but don't focus on earning validation. They weren't the popular girls in high school, but had plenty of friends.
- No self-destructive habits or behaviors
- All seem to be kind and nurturing
- They dress feminine, sometimes sexy but always with class.
- All have long term employers, never jumped around between jobs, are well liked are work, and work hard.
- Actions form a pattern working to bring them closer to having a a traditional family, such as good money management
- All agreeable, but will speak up when it counts


Probably could continue, but that will be it for now. Don't get me wrong they, are not perfect. I will say though, good women are out there. Best of luck to you all.
 
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