Single women in their 30s/40s are starting to realize they will die alone

monsquid

Woodpecker
WSJ reports U.S. Marriage Rate Plunges to Lowest Level on Record



By Janet Adamy
April 29, 2020 12:01 am ET

WASHINGTON—The share of Americans getting married has fallen to its lowest level on record, according to government figures released Wednesday that reflect how economic insecurity and changing norms are eroding the institution.

The U.S. marriage rate fell 6% in 2018, with 6.5 new unions formed for every 1,000 people, according to a report by the National Center for Health Statistics. That was the lowest rate since the federal government began keeping data in 1867, said Sally Curtin, a statistician at the center and lead author of the report.

“Millennials are in peak marriage years, their 20s and 30s, and it’s still dropping,” Ms. Curtin said. “This is historic.”

The new report shows how marriage rates plunged near the start of the Great Depression in the 1930s, then rebounded sharply after World War II, hitting a high of 16.4 marriages per 1,000 people in 1946. The marriage rate began a near-steady decline in 1982 that lasted until 2009, then remained near flat before inching upward in 2014. Ms. Curtin said there was no clear reason for the sharp marriage decline in 2018.

Many Americans are opting to form households without tying the knot, and strained finances have been a top reason. In recent years, much of the marriage decline has come for middle earners and those with only a high-school education. Declining religious adherence and growing acceptance of unmarried cohabitation have also played a role.

Do you expect more or fewer people to decide to marry after coming through a pandemic, or no change? Join the conversation below.

Just over half of American adults were living with a spouse in 2019, down from about seven in 10 in 1970, census figures show. About 7% lived with a partner last year, up from less than 1% in 1970.

The fallout from Covid-19 is likely to further discourage marriage in the near term since financial insecurity, coupled with travel and social-gathering restrictions, are matrimonial deterrents. “A lot of it is the economy, and the extent to which Covid has a lasting effect on the economy, it might affect family formation,” Ms. Curtin said.
In Anaheim, Calif., county officials this month used a variety of social distancing strategies to issue licenses and marry couples during the coronavirus pandemic.

The outbreak could also create pent-up matrimonial demand that results in a burst of marriages once America rebounds socially and economically.

Marriage is correlated with positive health outcomes, longevity and economic security. A recent government report showed that age-adjusted death rates are lowest for those who were married when they died.

—Paul Overberg contributed to this article.
Looks like further decline of America is on track. Feminists are getting what they want. This will mean that the quantity of self-hating post wall thots will increase. If only I can harvest their misery for money.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
From the above Wall Street Journal article:

"Marriage is correlated with positive health outcomes, longevity and economic security. A recent government report showed that age-adjusted death rates are lowest for those who were married when they died."


...says the media that spends the other 99.9 percent of its time bashing marriage and everything traditional because Madison Avenue and muh consooming.
 

911

Crow
Days of Broken Arrows said:
From the above Wall Street Journal article:

"Marriage is correlated with positive health outcomes, longevity and economic security. A recent government report showed that age-adjusted death rates are lowest for those who were married when they died."


...says the media that spends the other 99.9 percent of its time bashing marriage and everything traditional because Madison Avenue and muh consooming.

It's not about "muh consuming", there is a cultural agenda above that which is driving this, you see it for example with the SPLC senior fellow who has posted up on his office wall a hand-written chart tracking the demographic decline of white people in the US:

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These people are more influential than Madison Ave. In fact the agenda of advertising agencies has been more driven by kalergist ideology than by profits, that much has been made very clear through campaign after campaign like the Gillette fiasco where major advertisers have aggressively promoted cultural marxist ideology at the expense of the bottom line.

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Lots of good posts. Clear theme emerges: women are far more susceptible to social engineering than men. The PowersThatBe “empowered” women so that marriage and family life would collapse as they chased after frivolities and status. Unfortunately, a lot of men will not find suitable wives as a result.

A post-family age correlates with the birth of the technocracy. Sad that so many delusional women think that will herald their “freedom.” Expect to see them doubling-down on lies. After a certain level, God allows sinners to be “given
over” to their delusions. This accounts for the phenomenon of intense hate expressed from certain women upon seeing a happy wife with lots of healthy children.

Now—more than ever—men need to avoid evil women. Learn the signs and avoid them.
 
squiggly said:
> Unfortunately, a lot of men will not find suitable wives as a result.

Those poor guys ?
It’s only a BlackPill if you buy into the dominant narratives (equality, sensitivity, etc...). So, while things are bad for men as a gender on the whole, they aren’t as bad for men in non-Woke communities. The key is to stay away from carousel-riding SJW. Put differently: you can’t fish for a wife in a pond of whores (clubs, bars, Tinder, etc...).

Do not make an idol (your highest value) of women. Both extremes are dangerous: either deriving value through who & how many you bed, or pedestalizing them like needy & weak men.
 
What if you live in a liberal city in a western country? Do decent women go to orthodox or catholic churches? I've been celibate for a year (it's been very good for my soul) so it's not like I'm being a pussy hound. Maybe I'll have to move to EE even. I'm not 30 yet so I have time.
 
forestdweller said:
What if you live in a liberal city in a western country? Do decent women go to orthodox or catholic churches? I've been celibate for a year (it's been very good for my soul) so it's not like I'm being a pussy hound. Maybe I'll have to move to EE even. I'm not 30 yet so I have time.
Good question. Men are the hunters, so target traditional women in traditional female activities: cooking, cleaning and caring (for old and young). So, that’s nurses, teachers, health workers, cooks, etc... While my wife went to college, I would be wary of any women who prioritizes career. I certainly would not marry a “professional” woman.

BTW, there is a cost associated with selecting those kind of women—no career means less money for you both. And, you might need to compromise a bit on looks (from say, 7s to 5s). Women who “just wanna have fun” usually know how to beautify themselves better (push-up bras, makeup, etc...) than more traditional girls.

An Alpha can always pick from the top shelf, but most of us are probably Deltas. So, most of us should aim at 5-7s. While controversial, I would prioritize a submissive 5 over a rebellious 7. Beauty is important, but fleeting. NoFab and noPorn can help in seeing the beauty in more women (easy for men—like women—to get caught in their delusion bubbles).
A good wife is a wonderful helper and regular sex will give you wife-goggles.

Here’s the good news: there are fewer and fewer masculine men around (causation: from diet issues to media programming). With forums like this and some work on your part, you can really enhance your attractiveness & learn to filter. There are still lots of “good girls” on the girl tree to pick. The key is to not choose the poison fruits (more available now than ever).
 

monsquid

Woodpecker
Magnus Stout said:
forestdweller said:
What if you live in a liberal city in a western country? Do decent women go to orthodox or catholic churches? I've been celibate for a year (it's been very good for my soul) so it's not like I'm being a pussy hound. Maybe I'll have to move to EE even. I'm not 30 yet so I have time.
Good question. Men are the hunters, so target traditional women in traditional female activities: cooking, cleaning and caring (for old and young). So, that’s nurses, teachers, health workers, cooks, etc... While my wife went to college, I would be wary of any women who prioritizes career. I certainly would not marry a “professional” woman.

BTW, there is a cost associated with selecting those kind of women—no career means less money for you both. And, you might need to compromise a bit on looks (from say, 7s to 5s). Women who “just wanna have fun” usually know how to beautify themselves better (push-up bras, makeup, etc...) than more traditional girls.

An Alpha can always pick from the top shelf, but most of us are probably Deltas. So, most of us should aim at 5-7s. While controversial, I would prioritize a submissive 5 over a rebellious 7. Beauty is important, but fleeting. NoFab and noPorn can help in seeing the beauty in more women (easy for men—like women—to get caught in their delusion bubbles).
A good wife is a wonderful helper and regular sex will give you wife-goggles.

Here’s the good news: there are fewer and fewer masculine men around (causation: from diet issues to media programming). With forums like this and some work on your part, you can really enhance your attractiveness & learn to filter. There are still lots of “good girls” on the girl tree to pick. The key is to not choose the poison fruits (more available now than ever).
Rational and optimistic advice. Thank you. I think seeing women more for what they have to offer as a caregiver, supporter, and mother is healthy.
 
Magnus Stout said:
squiggly said:
> Unfortunately, a lot of men will not find suitable wives as a result.

Those poor guys ?
It’s only a BlackPill if you buy into the dominant narratives (equality, sensitivity, etc...). So, while things are bad for men as a gender on the whole, they aren’t as bad for men in non-Woke communities. The key is to stay away from carousel-riding SJW. Put differently: you can’t fish for a wife in a pond of whores (clubs, bars, Tinder, etc...).

Do not make an idol (your highest value) of women. Both extremes are dangerous: either deriving value through who & how many you bed, or pedestalizing them like needy & weak men.
Just because things aren't as bad for men in non-woke communities doesn't take away from the fact that there are very few women suitable for a wholesome relationship and marriage. Too many people here fantasize about the past and traditional women and what marriage used to be. Yes you will always have outliers but this past model just does not fit into our current model in the West as a whole. Sure you can stay away from cock-carousel riding SJW types. Sure you can avoid Tinder, bars, clubs and what have you. The fact still remains that even if you avoid these types there are loads of unsuitable women everywhere you look. I don't think men realize that once they dig a little bit, just how deep the programming goes.


forestdweller said:
What if you live in a liberal city in a western country? Do decent women go to orthodox or catholic churches? I've been celibate for a year (it's been very good for my soul) so it's not like I'm being a pussy hound. Maybe I'll have to move to EE even. I'm not 30 yet so I have time.
I live in a very white, very blue-collar town where a good majority of people are regular Catholic Church goers, including myself. There's plenty of crappy women there as well. Yea they might be better than your average non-religious type, but the fact remains that there's plenty of regular church going women I see who I wouldn't entertain. EE is not some magic pill either. Are women generally more traditional there? Yes. Are they generally more feminine? Yes. Do they have more culture and moral foundation than some basic American girl? Yes. Problem is you will ALWAYS be an outsider to them. Are you wiling to learn the language somewhat? Are you willing to learn the customs? The history? If you aren't, don't even bother. My brother's wife's family is from Poland and he got in good with them BUT, it's because we're very Catholic like them, he's picked up a decent amount of Polish, he's good looking and charismatic, and he's done his homework on the country and has become somewhat of an "adopted Pollack". Most American guys who jet off to foreign countries, none of this applies to them. They wind up getting nothing, or they wind up with a heavily Western-minded woman who just happens to be born in another country and might have an exotic name. If that's the case, what's the point? Mind as well have just stuck with an American. Your Orthodox Churches are usually relegated to ethnic communities (Greek, Serbian, Ukrainian, Romanian) and you will most likely never get in good there because you are NOT one of them. Again, you will always be an outsider unless you check a lot of boxes and "adopt" said culture somewhat. Even so, those types rarely marry outside of their own and those communities are very insular. Your average American is NOT marrying some first generation Greek Orthodox girl who's family is in the diner business.


Magnus Stout said:
forestdweller said:
What if you live in a liberal city in a western country? Do decent women go to orthodox or catholic churches? I've been celibate for a year (it's been very good for my soul) so it's not like I'm being a pussy hound. Maybe I'll have to move to EE even. I'm not 30 yet so I have time.
Good question. Men are the hunters, so target traditional women in traditional female activities: cooking, cleaning and caring (for old and young). So, that’s nurses, teachers, health workers, cooks, etc... While my wife went to college, I would be wary of any women who prioritizes career. I certainly would not marry a “professional” woman.

BTW, there is a cost associated with selecting those kind of women—no career means less money for you both. And, you might need to compromise a bit on looks (from say, 7s to 5s). Women who “just wanna have fun” usually know how to beautify themselves better (push-up bras, makeup, etc...) than more traditional girls.

An Alpha can always pick from the top shelf, but most of us are probably Deltas. So, most of us should aim at 5-7s. While controversial, I would prioritize a submissive 5 over a rebellious 7. Beauty is important, but fleeting. NoFab and noPorn can help in seeing the beauty in more women (easy for men—like women—to get caught in their delusion bubbles).
A good wife is a wonderful helper and regular sex will give you wife-goggles.

Here’s the good news: there are fewer and fewer masculine men around (causation: from diet issues to media programming). With forums like this and some work on your part, you can really enhance your attractiveness & learn to filter. There are still lots of “good girls” on the girl tree to pick. The key is to not choose the poison fruits (more available now than ever).
Nurses? Almost always sluts. Teachers? Same deal. I have experience with both. Proceed with caution is all I'm going to say. Most American women by default will be career women. Just the way it is set up here. Most women here are career women. 5 to 7 range girls I'd argue are even bigger bags of filth than very attractive women. I mentioned it in another post, but I'd make a decent argument for girls in the upper aesthetic echelon holding out for the "officer and gentleman" type a lot of the time. The average to above average looking girl has to overcompensate a lot because she's not top tier. They also tend to get more attention and offers because more men think they have a shot with this type of woman.

I hate to sound so negative and doom and gloom, but this is just reality. Only a major economic crash, or war with a lot of casualties will then things MAYBE start to shift. Your only other hope is catching lightning in a bottle. Good Luck.
 
JoeSomebody said:
I hate to sound so negative and doom and gloom, but this is just reality. Only a major economic crash, or war with a lot of casualties will then things MAYBE start to shift. Your only other hope is catching lightning in a bottle. Good Luck.
The essence of my suggestion is to target feminine women who are not rebellious. If you want to believe that there are *no* good girls in the girl tree (some 3+ billion humans), then go ahead. This guarantess you will remain alone.

The best strategy to find quality people is to become one yourself while ruthlessly cutting out toxic people, users, and manipulators. Find your mission (or a leader you can follow to assist their mission). Remember: the essence of a higher status man is a “can do” attitude.

For all our challenges as men, we also know more about the nature of women than ever before. Knowledge is power. And, as men we have far more time to find a mate than women do. Fellas, it’s not hopeless. Hard, yes; hopeless, not yet.
 

kel

Kingfisher
You're very likely to have to train women. Feminism has made them miserable, they're open to a change, but it's daunting abandoning the dogma they were raised on and don't know how to handle it. You have to be willing to train them and deal with the ups and downs involved.

I see a bunch of women*, and I assign them all tasks. One's been getting into sewing, so she hems my pants and repairs rips I get, one's wanting to cook more so I give her challenges to cook for me, one's.... kind of a disaster and I'm figuring out how to break it off with her since she's obviously a dead end. Etc. I tell them all what to wear and when, I take the lead on our "dates", I punish them when they need it and I shower them with affection when they earn it to reinforce that behavior. I'm not saying it's easy, and I'm not naive enough to believe that all of these women will end up being honorable wives and mothers, but I really think this is the only choice for me and for most men. We have to take the broken women looking for a road to a more fulfilling life and guide them down it.

* Not bragging, not promoting casual sex, this is topically relevant.
 
Magnus Stout said:
JoeSomebody said:
I hate to sound so negative and doom and gloom, but this is just reality. Only a major economic crash, or war with a lot of casualties will then things MAYBE start to shift. Your only other hope is catching lightning in a bottle. Good Luck.
The essence of my suggestion is to target feminine women who are not rebellious. If you want to believe that there are *no* good girls in the girl tree (some 3+ billion humans), then go ahead. This guarantess you will remain alone.

The best strategy to find quality people is to become one yourself while ruthlessly cutting out toxic people, users, and manipulators. Find your mission (or a leader you can follow to assist their mission). Remember: the essence of a higher status man is a “can do” attitude.

For all our challenges as men, we also know more about the nature of women than ever before. Knowledge is power. And, as men we have far more time to find a mate than women do. Fellas, it’s not hopeless. Hard, yes; hopeless, not yet.
Cutting out useless people, getting rid of people who add no value to my life, and not even entertaining them to begin with, has been something I've been doing probably since my teens and has only accelerated over time. Been there, did that. My read on people is very good and most folks I do not give the time of day to. I've been called cold, mean, dickhead, harsh, amongst many other terms by both men and women alike. There are feminine, non-rebellious out there, they are in the minority, but they exist. There are some obstacles though....

We do have far more time to find a mate as a man, but the reality is that you have to get them young(er) and train them like Kel said. Even if you are a 40 year old man firing on all cylinders, who the hell wants a 30 old woman with a shitload of emotional baggage, bad habits, and an abortion or two, who is basically UNMOLDABLE??? The ugly truth is that you will have more from this pool to choose from from, than the younger, better-looking and more moldable pool.

I'm 34 and my gf is 23. I met her when she was 21. She had only been in the U.S. less than 3 years when I met her and if a few things break right, I will probably marry her. Thing is my situation is NOT the norm for most guys in America. But here's a few reasons why it's worked so far:

-she's MOLDABLE. Largely due to her age and the fact that the narrative in America, isn't pushed in her country. Her parents are also together and have been married for almost 25 years.
-speaking of country, while she didn't grow up poor, she's from a 3rd world country that is very patriarchal and age gaps aren't a big deal. Ours is 11 years.
- speaking of age gap, most people never guess my actual age and I usually get 5 to 8 years younger. I'm also in tip-top shape and still do athletics.
-I call all the shots. I lead, she follows. Also due to her cultural background, this is normal for her. There's no butting of heads. She EXPECTS me to be this way.

I'm not here to brag about myself or my woman. I realize that either of us is replaceable. What I'm doing is illustrating that just because MY setup is a certain way, does NOT mean that this is the norm in America. In many respects, I got a bit lucky.

The reality of it is that most of the trainable/moldable younger women in America are going to be OFF LIMITS once you get to be a certain age. There's always going to be outliers, but as you know, exceptions don't make the rule. Prior to my gf, I was spinning plates and the majority of the girls were 5 to 10 years younger than me. Despite this, most still WEREN'T MOLDABLE to the point of making good long term partners. Also, the more moldable one's tended to be early 20s. A 10 year age gap is not so much a problem for the girl, but the stigmas that come with it from the friends, parents, and society at large in this country, are a problem. Women adhere to consensus largely. If consensus says you are too old, than you are too old. Yea sure, when I was 32, having a 22 year old play toy wasn't hard. But for long term commitment, even if that girl is moldable and would make a good partner, there's still plenty of societal obstacles that will be a massive cock block to you more often than not.

You can ask any single male or female over 30 if dating gets harder as you get older and they'd tell you that it absolutely does. If you are under 30, you got a good chance. Over 30, it can be a bit rough.
 

TheBowery

Robin
Gold Member
Marriage and birth rates continue to plummet, especially in the liberal bubble. I was recently at a college reunion and was struck by how few people were married with children well into their 30s. It's a dysgenic Ponzi scheme that requires the power to open the borders and indoctrinate children to sustain itself. Hopefully borders and colleges remain closed for a while so that Gen Z can avoid the degeneracy that have turned Millennials into a lost spinster/incel generation.
 

911

Crow
One important point that I keep trying to push through in those blackpilled threads about the state of women today is that your goal is not to change that state, which is a product of social engineering applied over several generations as you have next to zero control over that, but to find and mold ONE woman as your lifetime partner, which you can definitely do.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
TheBowery said:
Marriage and birth rates continue to plummet, especially in the liberal bubble. I was recently at a college reunion and was struck by how few people were married with children well into their 30s. It's a dysgenic Ponzi scheme that requires the power to open the borders and indoctrinate children to sustain itself. Hopefully borders and colleges remain closed for a while so that Gen Z can avoid the degeneracy that have turned Millennials into a lost spinster/incel generation.
Hoodwinking us into spending all the wealth of our twenties going to the club, having avocado burgers, and leasing hatchbacks, was a short-term boon to the economy - but we're sure as heck paying for it now, aren't we? They mortgaged our future for an immediate relief from economic stress. Turns out we should have been investing that energy in raising the next generation - instead we all have multiple degrees and certifications, a matching set of Ikea furniture, and a life full of non-events, but in the process we've cut ourselves off from the rhythm of life.
 
JoeSomebody said:
We do have far more time to find a mate as a man, but the reality is that you have to get them young(er) and train them like Kel said. Even if you are a 40 year old man firing on all cylinders, who the hell wants a 30 old woman with a shitload of emotional baggage, bad habits, and an abortion or two, who is basically UNMOLDABLE??? The ugly truth is that you will have more from this pool to choose from from, than the younger, better-looking and more moldable pool.
Yes.

The reality of it is that most of the trainable/moldable younger women in America are going to be OFF LIMITS once you get to be a certain age. There's always going to be outliers, but as you know, exceptions don't make the rule. Prior to my gf, I was spinning plates and the majority of the girls were 5 to 10 years younger than me. Despite this, most still WEREN'T MOLDABLE to the point of making good long term partners. Also, the more moldable one's tended to be early 20s. A 10 year age gap is not so much a problem for the girl, but the stigmas that come with it from the friends, parents, and society at large in this country, are a problem. Women adhere to consensus largely. If consensus says you are too old, than you are too old. Yea sure, when I was 32, having a 22 year old play toy wasn't hard. But for long term commitment, even if that girl is moldable and would make a good partner, there's still plenty of societal obstacles that will be a massive cock block to you more often than not.
I think this is the largest issue I have with the USA (and sadly I'm older, not that I'm worried about that).

Joe is hard core, I agree with the gist certainly, but I'm ok with also agreeing with Magnus in that I'm an optimist that tries to balance that black pill. I can also confirm that the in the orthodox circles he knows what he is talking about, in general. I could easily fit into those (being orthodox) but the age gap and social conformity or expectation is a hurdle too far for most. So, I have my eyes on overseas where I can actually pull off the "fitting in" role far more easily in that I'm truly not an average joe from America. It would be harder for most, but still not easy for anybody.
 
I have a hard time feeling sorry for women that will die alone. One might say they've been sold a bunch of crap by feminists, so, are they really to blame? Well, that does matter, but, these women still decided on their own to follow this path in life even if they were brainwashed into doing so. Also, as they decided to go down this path these people were, simply put, just a bunch of conceited assh*les.
 

kel

Kingfisher
There's no need to feel (that) sorry for them anyways, society is built to help them cope. They will spend the second four decades of their lives being spoonfed you-go-girl dogma and SSRIs and wealth transfers from families. Besides a dark period of lucidity when they're alone with their thoughts here or there they will mostly be sheltered from having to think about or feel the consequences of their decisions. You and I and everyone else here will be non-consensual sugar daddies and friendzoners by proxy.
 
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