Single women in their 30s/40s are starting to realize they will die alone

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Simply put, she’s not wife material. Wife material woman submits to her husband and takes care of the household and children. Why would anybody bother with these kind of essentially masculine women I really don’t know. Sorry darling, you’re just not wife material. Next!
It's the sad truth but that's what it is. Choices have long term consequences. Sadly many women in their 40s will be too late when they realized they missed the boat on doing what they were supposed to do.

The fact that the conversation about having a family is started at 39 shows the delusion these women are under and sadly in this case the family pressure appears to have come too late. One of the biggest lies society tells women is that they have time. No you don't, when you're 28 the alarm bells should be rinkling and at 33 the nuclear alarm should go off. They're just not prepared and will act like a tanker having to move direction in their 30s. I'm always shaking me head when I see 25 year old women beamingly state they're single like a pringle, not realizing their peak sexual market value has in fact already been passed and from now it's downhill. At 25 your credit in the casino will already have peaked and you'll start losing your stakes steadily until the woman is around 35-40 and her stakes reach the credit of 0. These women don't cash their chips, or they cash it way too late and end up with an unsatisfying relationship for the next 60 years of their lives, as they brutally and harshly find out that their life is longer than the 10 party years and that the party that appeared to be never ending actually is ending, and more rapidly than she anticipated.
 

MartyMcFly

Pelican
Other Christian
It's the sad truth but that's what it is. Choices have long term consequences. Sadly many women in their 40s will be too late when they realized they missed the boat on doing what they were supposed to do.

The fact that the conversation about having a family is started at 39 shows the delusion these women are under and sadly in this case the family pressure appears to have come too late. One of the biggest lies society tells women is that they have time. No you don't, when you're 28 the alarm bells should be rinkling and at 33 the nuclear alarm should go off. They're just not prepared and will act like a tanker having to move direction in their 30s. I'm always shaking me head when I see 25 year old women beamingly state they're single like a pringle, not realizing their peak sexual market value has in fact already been passed and from now it's downhill. At 25 your credit in the casino will already have peaked and you'll start losing your stakes steadily until the woman is around 35-40 and her stakes reach the credit of 0. These women don't cash their chips, or they cash it way too late and end up with an unsatisfying relationship for the next 60 years of their lives, as they brutally and harshly find out that their life is longer than the 10 party years and that the party that appeared to be never ending actually is ending, and more rapidly than she anticipated.
Part of what you say is true. However, if a woman stays slim and dresses well, she can still attract much younger men to play with. There are a lot of thirsty men out there in their 20's and 30's that even think a woman is still dateable at 60.


 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
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Part of what you say is true. However, if a woman stays slim and dresses well, she can still attract much younger men to play with. There are a lot of thirsty men out there in their 20's and 30's that even think a woman is still dateable at 60.


To play with, but not to retain. A woman wins when she can retain the relationship, a man ''wins'' when he gets the sex. A woman in her 40s will absolutely in secular society have an endless line of guys in whatever age range who want to spend the night with her, but it's highly unlikely they'll invest in having a serious relationship with her, especially the men that she wants, which are the ''high value'' materially successful guys with masculine traits and all of that. So that's basically the reason all of these women remain chronically single.
 

MartyMcFly

Pelican
Other Christian
To play with, but not to retain. A woman wins when she can retain the relationship, a man ''wins'' when he gets the sex. A woman in her 40s will absolutely in secular society have an endless line of guys in whatever age range who want to spend the night with her, but it's highly unlikely they'll invest in having a serious relationship with her, especially the men that she wants, which are the ''high value'' materially successful guys with masculine traits and all of that. So that's basically the reason all of these women remain chronically single.
However, the new modern woman has become more like a modern man in that she just wants to change 'partners' frequently and enjoy sex with a lot of different people. She doesn't really want a long-term relationship or kids and gets her validation by getting likes on Facebook. If the woman doesn't really care about having a long-term relationship with a man and is fine with her female friendships, she may simply go on Tinder when she feels the need for a man. Tinder can even make it so she can have the man come to her house if she thinks going to a bar or restaurant is too inconvenient. In a weird way for these wild women, men have now become like pizza except the men are free and will even bring gifts for the women like flowers, chocolate, good food, wine, etc...

Madonna may be the 'new normal' when it comes to the modern American woman. It would be easy for most women to pull off such a lifestyle if they wish. If the USA gets the whole world to copy these values and uses the right propaganda this will actually be quite sustainable for a long time thanks to modern technology. The propaganda is necessary to make sure men keep working hard to make the country run since most women dislike dirty work like plumbing and construction work.

American society has really made men disposable. I remember reading that a woman once wanted her car cleaned after a snowy day. She was easily able to find a man to do this online for free even when she specified it was not a date.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
However, the new modern woman has become more like a modern man in that she just wants to change 'partners' frequently and enjoy sex with a lot of different people. She doesn't really want a long-term relationship or kids and gets her validation by getting likes on Facebook. If the woman doesn't really care about having a long-term relationship with a man and is fine with her female friendships, she may simply go on Tinder when she feels the need for a man. Tinder can even make it so she can have the man come to her house if she thinks going to a bar or restaurant is too inconvenient. In a weird way for these wild women, men have now become like pizza except the men are free and will even bring gifts for the women like flowers, chocolate, good food, wine, etc...

Madonna may be the 'new normal' when it comes to the modern American woman. It would be easy for most women to pull off such a lifestyle if they wish. If the USA gets the whole world to copy these values and uses the right propaganda this will actually be quite sustainable for a long time thanks to modern technology. The propaganda is necessary to make sure men keep working hard to make the country run since most women dislike dirty work like plumbing and construction work.

American society has really made men disposable. I remember reading that a woman once wanted her car cleaned after a snowy day. She was easily able to find a man to do this online for free even when she specified it was not a date.
Exactly, with the sad by effect that many of these women will not find statisfaction in this lifestyle long term, just like men won't find satisfaction when they go on the PUA path. Sure, in the short term it may be fun, in the long run you end empty handed. And then if a woman does want to settle down she wants a traditional man but not being a traditional woman. Women, especially modern day women, are very calculating about doing, saying and manipulating what's in their personal best interest and that of her (potential) children. Modern day men who are not prepared for this are taken to the cleaners every day, getting pounded by sharks while they're the mackerel. It's a sad state of affairs where men are finessed by women to the point they're used as disposible goods for their money and/or emotional attention, then to be discarded at a whim, and as being said in the end both genders will lose and end up empty handed, without relationship/family or in an unsatisfying relationship/family.
 
The thing about Madonna is that she is a world famous pop star. She can do things that the average 63 year old woman cannot do. No one believes a normal 27-28 year old guy would seriously date a 63 year old retired officer worker. And despite Mafonna's life long decadent lifestyle she is still a boomer (born in 1958) and she did have two biological children and adopted four other children. Her mothering instincts still kicked in.
 

MartyMcFly

Pelican
Other Christian
The thing about Madonna is that she is a world famous pop star. She can do things that the average 63 year old woman cannot do. No one believes a normal 27-28 year old guy would seriously date a 63 year old retired officer worker. And despite Mafonna's life long decadent lifestyle she is still a boomer (born in 1958) and she did have two biological children and adopted four other children. Her mothering instincts still kicked in.
The 63 year-old retired office worker might not get an attractive man who is 27. However, if she maintains herself (basically, don't get very obese), I think she could easily get a desperate man seeking feminine comfort especially if she moves to a mining or military town. I have heard that many men on Tinder swipe 'yes' for every women out of desperation. This means that the older woman might have 400 matches from men aged 18-35. Maybe when she replies, a few will ignore her. However, maybe 50 of these 400 men will accept her due to poor self-esteem out of not getting any other matches.

I guess Madonna did well in her career vs. the average woman and it is a good point that she has kids. I guess even if the retired office worker can find male 'friends', she will not be able to look on her career as an accountant or insurance saleswoman with pride. After the young man starts to ignore her text messages when he finds a young lady who is 'only' 50 to socialize with, she might feel some regret.
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I've found that many Russian women are very specifically turned on by older men, but I guess there are quite a lot of specifics of which type of older man, and there aren't many of them. It's also very common for women to marry soon after graduating, often to someone about their age. And in the rural parts it's still common for people to marry around 18-20.

Another aspect is that younger women are harder to bring to marriage. You really need to be aggressive with it, especially with Russians.

Whereas outside of The West, cool social status can be seen as a negative and women are more interested in basics like income, attractiveness, appearance, romance etc.
Are you from Russia? Can you say anything about dating in Russia?
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Nobody is thinking about consequences beyond the immediate. We have a culture of rejection of the wisdom of our elders because we are taught that they are the ones who ruined everything, so we just shut them away and double down on their mistakes instead of listening to their wisdom and what they have learned from their misdoings.
This is one of the reasons why I dislike Western society, because of rejection of the wisdom of the elders, which leads to stupidity.

It should be obvious to anyone that each generation stands on the shoulders of their ancestors, to learn their wisdom, to take their good examples, and avoid their bad examples. Because life is hard and wisdom enables you to avoid stepping on the rake. If I don't want to learn the lesson the hard way, I just read about it on the internet.

When I was in my late teens I was fascinated with Stoic, Chinese, Buddhist philosophy, etc. I learned it all on YouTube. Why people who have access to the internet don't take interest in philosophy is one of the things which blows my mind. We live in one of the eras of free access to information. If previously you had to walk multiple days and nights just to see the wise man in the temple at the top of the mountain, today it takes literally seconds to open the YouTube video and listen to what the wise man has to say.
 

Kiwi

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
What was the blessing, that she didn't have to get up in the middle of the night for a few years so instead she could drink a few more glasses of wine? That her friends tried to be with men that were out of their league and it didn't work out? Some of this stuff is silly. When she's 50 and no one even looks at her anymore do you think she'll say, "But I was a TV news anchor". LOL

I think Hayley (the interviewer in the video) probably took JP's advice to heart, because she did end up getting pregnant but tragically ended up having a miscarriage at 7 months.
 

Cynllo

Woodpecker
Other Christian
The 63 year-old retired office worker might not get an attractive man who is 27.

Neither did Madona.

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I guess Madonna did well in her career

... channelling Satan.

@Stoyan - Are you from Russia? Can you say anything about dating in Russia?

There is a thread about it:


I am not Russian, but some quick observations.

- It's the norm women expect men to be dominant going on psychopathic
- Most young women don't have any or a strong marriage-drive, though many do marry their high-school/college sweet hearts
- They are much better at adjusting their expectations if they hit 30 unmarried
- Women are much easier to show any kind of interest; they will consider more men to be candidates, whereas Western women are not that interested
- It would not be hard to find a wife if you are happy with ~30
- I find a considerable portion of women to be very obviously untrustworthy...
- They can know how to turn on a very disgusting type of accentuated, sexualised interest, which is fake
- Being a Westerner can boost your chances, but more so with the wrong type of women
- Some women will be visibly impressed with you, just as a Westerner, particularly if you can speak Russian
- Low-attention and thotish tendencies are quite high
- There is a large cultural gap, which will be very difficult to navigate, particularly if you cannot live up to her expectation of being dominant
- As a general rule, domination (not really is a good way) is the main thing they find attractive
- Your physical appearance is less important
- High modern and often Westernised, particularly in big cities
- Secular dating is much easier, even if you are a native; it's America in the 80s
- High divorce and abortion rates

Generally speaking, I think any girl from anywhere should be more reserved. Girls that show obvious attention have bad character. So you'd have to dig to find those of better. Therefore you are more likely to be able to dig up feminine women. Good women are more likely to have come to that status with age. Most of the women who go to church are older.

I like reserved, graceful women, who are not going to be that easy to get to know. I'd say there are more of them in Western countries, where I don't think they can exist in mainstream culture. And obviously the better their English, the more likely they are to be corrupted. Europeans in -stan countries are much nicer, as the overall culture is more healthy - at least in terms of femininity and male-female relations.

Why people who have access to the internet don't take interest in philosophy is one of the things which blows my mind.

Most people are not particularly conscious. They are not able to decipher the world via any interpretations. And many of the people engaged with philosophy are repeaters analysing the world through "the lense" of someone who wasn't just a repeater. People suck up their behaviour and culture from their surroundings.

The only way a philosophy can become part of most people's lives is via it becoming implied in the culture.
 
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Blade Runner

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I've seen a lot of video's like this coming out lately. And while in some cases it may be not genuine, in many cases I believe it is. Many women truly are waking up and understanding they've been lied to, albeit they're usual already in their 30s when they find it out.


Yeah, the catch to this is that it's mostly bloviation because by the time they "realize" this (who knows how serious they are), it's too little too late. If I see this, I don't want generic and selfish stuff - listen to her - she says "I" so many times. What would be required, Ms Man, is that you submit to a man. But you didn't want to do that, now did you? And now it's too late. If you really, actually care, tell other women that they shouldn't take that path. Women never do this. That's why I largely don't believe them when they even hint at certain topics. It's about them, not about helping others.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

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Yeah, the catch to this is that it's mostly bloviation because by the time they "realize" this (who knows how serious they are), it's too little too late. If I see this, I don't want generic and selfish stuff - listen to her - she says "I" so many times. What would be required, Ms Man, is that you submit to a man. But you didn't want to do that, now did you? And now it's too late. If you really, actually care, tell other women that they shouldn't take that path. Women never do this. That's why I largely don't believe them when they even hint at certain topics. It's about them, not about helping others.
Right, but to play devil's advocate, how many men are worth submitting too? And how many of them are faithful? The foundation of the sexual dating market has been obliterated and to be fair I even get it that women get work and go to uni and all that stuff, as what else would they do, there's not many dudes who are true masculine men waiting for her at 18 to get into a faithful, life lasting marriage where both ''can't escape'' and are set for life. It's just not reality, unless some very religious parts of society. So modern day women do have a lot of insecurity that they have to deal with, which means they must take the masculine role in general besides their feminine, for when they live alone and some conflict arises, or there's some problem, she has to get into her masculine to actually get stuff done, whereas normally the man would do that. Now, this derails obviously when career becomes her main goal and priority in itself, then this basic masculine traits get inflated to a level where she becomes the man she wants to marry, which diminishes her overall attractiveness completely (a masculine man doesn't want to be with a man in a woman's body).

So long story short, we are both running the wrong race that society and in effet the devil lied to us to run, and when we finish that race we see that we didn't get the prize we wanted, as that race was a completely different one. And sure, women bear responsibility too but it's just not in their nature to take responsibility, for they're big children where in any time in the past the men would take that accountability on their shoulders. A woman will always go for what's best for her and her children, that's just hypergamy and that's encouraged on steroids now whereas it was monitored with rules and boundaries in the past. Women love opportunistically (what does the man have) and men love idealistically (I love my woman for who she is). It's a different approach and by removing the boundaries in the sexual marketplace women are taken to the cleaners as much as we do, maybe more, so we should have mercy and empathy.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

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And the unhappiest profile?:

  • Female
  • 42 years old
  • Unmarried (and no children)
  • Household income under $100,000
  • In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

In The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness published by the American Economic Journal, researchers Betsy Stevenson and Justin Wolfers found that although women's life circumstances have improved greatly over the past few decades by most objective measures, their happiness has declined—both in absolute terms and relative to men's.

And another:

The second discovery is, this: though women begin their lives more fulfilled than men, as they age, they gradually become less happy. Men, in contrast, get happier as they get older. (These findings are drawn from the work of Professors Richard Easterlin and Anke Plagnol, who took the same U.S. General Social Survey data and sliced it in a different way. You can find their working paper here).

Here's their graph:
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Erin Pizzey, founder of the charity Refuge, added: 'The hard-won freedom of choice has imprisoned women. I just see an exhausted generation trying to do it all.'

 
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Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
- Being a Westerner can boost your chances, but more so with the wrong type of women
- Some women will be visibly impressed with you, just as a Westerner, particularly if you can speak Russian
- There is a large cultural gap, which will be very difficult to navigate, particularly if you cannot live up to her expectation of being dominant

I have lived my whole life in the West, so I could be considered by some as a Westerner, but I identify with the pre-revolutionary culture of my Russian ancestors, and reject the culture of the West wholesale. For about 10 years now, since my teens, I have been studying the Russian language and culture, to the point that I have discovered some truly arcane parts of it. So the culture of the Russian Empire is very near and dear to me. But obviously to say that a lot has changed in Russia over 100 years, would be to say nothing. I don't know how this has impacted dating though.

People suck up their behaviour and culture from their surroundings.

I would say yes and no. My parents were more Westernized than me, because they only had their memories of how Russia was like before the Civil War to fall back onto. I grew up having access to the internet though, so I learned my culture using all this huge wealth of information at my fingertips. You could say that I was surrounded by the Western culture all around, but as a cultural rebel, I had access to this portal into a parallel universe, where I could be someone else other than a Western person. There is really no excuse for anyone to be a normie consumer when you have access to the internet, when you can see many different cultures which are alternatives to the Western culture, when you can read "red pill" literature which tells you all the wrong things with the Western culture. Maybe your statement could have been true in the pre-internet age, but now a person can choose to be a prepper, conspiracy theorist, ancient Japanese, ancient Indian, ancient Russian, Christian, Muslim, New Age, paranormal researcher, Steampunk, etc ... because the materials about these cultures are freely available on the internet. Some authors have written that the internet has an exclusively negative effect on people, but I would say that no one is forcing you to watch degenerate content on the internet. You can watch what you want to watch. It is a conscious decision.

You may have known one distinctive feature of the various cosplayers and internet quasi cultists, is that they tend to be unhappy when their spouse does not share, or at least approves their culture. And I'm the only person I know of who chose Orthodox Tsarism instead of Punk, Goth, Anime, SJW, MAGA or any one of those subcultures which only claim to rebel against the Western culture, but at heart they are fully normies and consumers. Unlike them, I have a completely different worldview, philosophy, and values system. Unfortunately I'm isolated from any Old Believers or White immigrants societies here, and I feel like I'm from a whole another planet.

Most people are not particularly conscious. They are not able to decipher the world via any interpretations.

But I mean that it's not so hard to just look up wisdom quotes and motivational quotes on the internet and eventually gain more knowledge in several years than an ancient scholar could hope in several lifetimes. Even you can just read stories on the internet of how people made mistakes or did bad things, and then analyze the story, thus gaining the experience without the usually accompanying bruise. So there is no excuse not to become wise using the internet.
 
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