SJW's are trying to change the way we play Baseball (culture clash in MLB)

[EL CHAPO]

Wow, I didn't expect the lefties to come out of the woodwork.

I respect and admire Latino culture, but that doesn't mean I want it to take over my culture. I don't want my favorite sport to get ruined by the showboating of the Latino players. That's all. What's with everybody bringing up the race card?

There are rules in everything. The Latino players knew what they were getting themselves into when they came to the states and if you’re going to come into our country and make our American dollars, you need to respect a game that has been here for over a hundred years with its customs and its rules. What is wrong with acknowledging that?

I think many of you guys aren't legit baseball fans. Real baseball fans are appalled by this.

 

[TheSlayer]

Wow, I didn't expect the lefties to come out of the woodwork.

I respect and admire Latino culture, but that doesn't mean I want it to take over my culture. I don't want my favorite sport to get ruined by the showboating of the Latino players. That's all. What's with everybody bringing up the race card?

There are rules in everything. The Latino players knew what they were getting themselves into when they came to the states and if you’re going to come into our country and make our American dollars, you need to respect a game that has been here for over a hundred years with its customs and its rules. What is wrong with acknowledging that?

I think many of you guys aren't legit baseball fans. Real baseball fans are appalled by this.

 

[teh_skeeze]

Chapo, you need to chill. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are leftists. Those sorts of attacks may work on the Chans, but you aren't going to discredit anyone with that here. You are the one that made the assertion that the increase in Latinos in baseball are the causation of the drop in ratings. Making a statement like that, you have to expect some heat.

Personally, I think the media is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. A bench clearing brawl happens roughly 13.5 times a year according to the study quoted. Considering that teams play 162 games a year. With 30 teams that means there are 2430 regular season games played. That means that a bench clearing brawl happens in one half of one percent of games. If you hadn't made this thread, I never would have thought about it. This is master bait (heh) from E!SPN.

Lations hate being disrespected just as much as the rest of us.

 

[TheSlayer]

I'll say before bowing out of this thread as it inevitably becomes a race thread, we should remember at the end of the day it's sports. It's just entertainment, it's not that serious. We are not talking about the NFL going all pink with their breast cancer support or the NBA making PSAs on 'Lean In'. That's real SJW crap, this is a non story as far as I am concerned.

All this drama over the "culture clash" will only get fans more interested and may even increase ratings. Sports fans love drama more than anything else.

There's a lot of SJW bullshit floating around in our culture but I am not seeing the connection here. As LOZ pointed out people had similar concerns all the way back in 1868.

 

[cascadecombo]

I don't even like baseball but if a player wants to cement their lead or celebrate a good play that's their choice.

And if a pitcher decides he's had enough and puts a 90+MPH fastball 2" behind the batter's head, that's his choice. It cuts both ways.

Unwritten rules are the players policing themselves. It makes it so someone doesn't get killed. There's playing the game hard and celebrating your success. Then there's rubbing your opponent's nose in it. It's called common respect. If you lack it, you will get put in your place.

From what I'm seeing in this thread. Those who have a problem with the way the game is played are fairweather fans at best. It's like virgins talking about the best way to fuck a chick.

You're comparing a guy celebrating to another guy trying to seriously [possibly fataly] injure someone because he celebrated too much.

As you said, the "unwritten rules" are the ones the players [and coaches] police themselves. This is not up to couch potatoe fans, this is up to the team [players, coaches, owners and anyone else] to explain and control their players.

Just like how college football doesn't allow [if I recall correctly] too much celebrating when the players score a touchdown [elaborate victory dances and such] the team establishment is responsible for that.

But then again, you're talking to someone who only takes part in the actual sport/event culture and has 0 interest in fandom. :tard:

 

[Saga]

It's true it's just sports, and I don't follow baseball at all, but from a broader point of view I find that statistic to be astonishing. 87% of brawls are started across ethnic groups...it says a great deal about the level of tension and conflict that multiculturalism can bring into an environment, something that many people with experience in diverse schools and workplaces can readily attest to. This is something to think about, and perhaps cite, whenever you talk to someone who's convinced that mass immigration is just a wonderful bit of harmless fun.

 

[Travesty]

If I were to rank sports in order of how much I enjoy them it would go:

1. Baseball
2. Soccer
3. Football
4. Hockey
>9000. Basketball

Are you under 5'10" and were you extremely skinny at the time you played these sports?

This would explain this ranking.

 

[teh_skeeze]

Under 5'10", no. Extremely skinny, yes. Not so skinny anymore.

To be honest, I only played soccer because they needed bodies and I had some interest. It wasn't until I got into Football Manager that I fell in love with the game. I used to play street hockey and basketball all the time. I never had any interest in playing organized basketball, and my school didn't offer hockey. I have loved baseball from birth. If I had to choose between baseball and pussy, I'd probably go with baseball.

You're comparing a guy celebrating to another guy trying to seriously [possibly fataly] injure someone because he celebrated too much.

As you said, the "unwritten rules" are the ones the players [and coaches] police themselves. This is not up to couch potatoe fans, this is up to the team [players, coaches, owners and anyone else] to explain and control their players.

Just like how college football doesn't allow [if I recall correctly] too much celebrating when the players score a touchdown [elaborate victory dances and such] the team establishment is responsible for that.

But then again, you're talking to someone who only takes part in the actual sport/event culture and has 0 interest in fandom. :tard:

Incorrect. What I said is if you are disrespectful to your opponent by showing him up. Somebody is going to get thrown at. That's the nature of the game. Nobody headhunts anymore because they will get suspended, and it puts their teammates at risk for retaliation.

Sammy Sosa would do a hop towards first base when he got a hold of one. I don't remember anyone ever throwing at him. The reason is because he is moving towards first base and he's wasn't making a show of it.

A couple of weeks ago, Yoenis Cespedes hit a late inning home run that sealed a win for my Metsies. As soon as he hit it, I told my girlfriend he's getting plunked. She asked why, and I told her that he looked at it too long. Sure enough, he got hit in his first plate appearance the next day. You can admire your shot without the pomp and circumstance.

You'll have to elaborate on your last statement since I'm not quite sure I understand what it means.

 

[Roosh]

I don't see how SJW's are trying to change baseball, as your title states.

And why is it disrespectful to steal 3rd with 2 outs?

 

[Bear Hands]

The only part I disagree with is intentional hits to the head. If you're going to send a message, hit them in the hip or the upper arm, and don't do it with a 100 mph fastball. I think they get a bit immature about what they retaliate to at times, but I'd rather not have the game be overly policed like the NFL. I cannot watch football anymore because of the ridiculous delays in action.

Sure it's a multicultural game because it's popular in non-white countries and it has been a meritocracy since baseball integrated. For every instance of interracial violence, there's several white guys who are best buds with blacks, or latinos, or sometimes Asians on their own teams. Men in small enough groups that go through a grind will form bonds in spite of their racial differences.

Bench clearing happened plenty in years past, before the influx of latinos. It's what happens when you get a bunch of men together with high testosterone who have been a bit insulated from the real world because of the world of professional sports. It's the same reason guys will piss and moan to umpires. Anyone talking race just wants to race bait at this point.

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I don't see how SJW's are trying to change baseball, as your title states.

And why is it disrespectful to steal 3rd with 2 outs?

It's usually just personal statistic padding that does not matter. Getting to 3rd does not significantly increase the chance of a scoring play with 2 outs because a decent runner can score on a single from 2nd base about as easily as from 3rd, and the pitcher usually does not watch the baserunners as much with 2 outs because a flyball, ground out, or strikeout will end the inning without allowing the runner to score.

 

[teh_skeeze]

And why is it disrespectful to steal 3rd with 2 outs?

It's not disrespectful. It's not even an unwritten rule. The saying goes "Don't make the first or third out at 3rd base". If you are going to try to take 3rd in those situations, you better make it.

The reason for that is if you are already on second, a hit brings you in. If there are no outs, the batter will either sacrifice or try to hit the ball to the right side of the infield to get you to 3rd. If there are 2 outs, getting to 3rd is meaningless and you risk running yourself out of a scoring opportunity.

 

[TornadoByProxy]

/\/\/\---"No true baseball fan" fallacy. Haha

 

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Maybe we should go back pre-1945 before the color barrier was broken, just think of the great players who we would have never had the chance to enjoy.

Not just the Juan Marichals' but the Willie Mayes'of the world. This reminds me of the reports I would read to discredit MLB integration. Imagine the ire he drew when Branche Rickey walked Jackie Robinson into the Dodgers facility for the first time.

I'd argue Americas favorite pastime was enhanced by the influx of athletic non white players. Never before had we seen the combination of speed and power of a Willie Mayes. First we eliminate the Latin player, then ________ players and on and on

Talk about a slippery slope

 

[Papaya]

Not really. Baseball still does pretty well with older viewers. They struggle with the 18-35 demographic. It's got more to do with the younger audiences not connecting to the game because it's considerably more boring compared to football, basketball and even hockey. It's also because the games can be longer than the other 3 leagues and smartphone obsessed millennials simply don't care as much for baseball.

In my opinion you're seeing connections between two things where there are none.

Baseball is a game of nuance and finesse. The Adderal generation doesn't do subtlety because well..

 

[General Stalin]

OP wishes baseball was like it was @ 2:23

 

[Steve_Jay]

Seems diversity isn't a strength in baseball. What is going on in the MLB is just a microcosm of how social capital has eroded in greater society. Clashing cultures in the same space breed hostility and misunderstanding, resulting in societal dysfunction and greater hatred between the groups.

Never mind, I am sure this is all just a fault of White people and the MLB needs to go into multicultural mode and be more reflective of our demographics in the year whatever it is.

 

[cascadecombo]

Incorrect. What I said is if you are disrespectful to your opponent by showing him up. Somebody is going to get thrown at. That's the nature of the game. Nobody headhunts anymore because they will get suspended, and it puts their teammates at risk for retaliation.

Sammy Sosa would do a hop towards first base when he got a hold of one. I don't remember anyone ever throwing at him. The reason is because he is moving towards first base and he's wasn't making a show of it.

A couple of weeks ago, Yoenis Cespedes hit a late inning home run that sealed a win for my Metsies. As soon as he hit it, I told my girlfriend he's getting plunked. She asked why, and I told her that he looked at it too long. Sure enough, he got hit in his first plate appearance the next day. You can admire your shot without the pomp and circumstance.

You'll have to elaborate on your last statement since I'm not quite sure I understand what it means.

Let me wrap my head around that. The guy hits a game winning home run, and stops to enjoy the site of it leaving the park, and other players become enraged because he takes some time to admire his handiwork. The next day, the losing team took out their anger on the guy in the form of hitting him with a 90mph fastball. The lack of sportsmanship still sounds as if it is coming from the losing team, truly being "sore losers"

For the last statement. I don't watch sports, I find it very boring and a waste of time. I do however, take part in sports. I make a point to try to compete as much as possible, and to maintain myself to a level where I can compete [ or at least train with and provide value to the pro athletes ] with skilled individuals.

Which is actually why I make a point to comment, I find it ridiculous when others tell athletes how to act. The coach needs to be on top of them for such things. My coach back in high school would have us doing at least a hundred burpees for every time a guy celebrated too much after winning. That number was multiplied for every additional player who did so as well. Don't bitch about "SJW's" which I don't see any around, bitch about the team failing to train it's players. Was the point I was making.

 

[Kamikaze]

Given OP's name and profile pic and the content in this thread, I've never been more curious as to the appearance of a dude on this forum. Aside from Tuthmosis. I would figure he's hispanic or latino but, but then seems to hate hispanic culture destroying 'his culture' in baseball. Look at his post history, and the race stuff:game stuff ratio is like 15:1. If I had to put my money on it, he's probably a self-loathing white latino. Come on man, embrace your heritage... strut your stuff, look at your home runs, admire your work. Don't be so white bread.

As a hispanic dude myself, from PR, we are more or less aware of these unwritten rules. There've been very few Puerto Rican players who can be considered cocky at all, off the top of my head the only ones I can think of are Roberto Alomar and Igor González. Everyone else is a veritable class act, especially Roberto Clemente, Iván Rodríguez, and now emerging star Carlos Correa. Dude sprints around the bases after his home runs and only celebrates in the dugout with his teammates.



But I like the bravado of the Cuban players, like Yoenis, Yasiel Puig, and even José Fernández above. Come on, the guy hit his first homer, as a pitcher, takes a little long looking at the home run and causes a bench clearing brawl? Get that stick out of your ass. Baseball has its culture but sports in general have a different culture, too. Showing up your opponent and talking trash is something that professional athletes, as adults, should be able to handle. I also find it interesting how this trait is glorified in basketball, what with the reverence we talk about the trash-talking abilities of Larry Bird, MJ, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton. But looking at a home run too long is demonized in baseball, especially when it's a brown guy doing it. Some dudes are a little too in love with the idea of enforcing antiquated, sterile, unwritten, unclear, and at times downright stupid rules.

I'll just leave this here.

Stop being such uptight pussies and beat them next time.

 

[NO_LIMIT_CRACKA]

I also find it interesting how this trait is glorified in basketball, what with the reverence we talk about the trash-talking abilities of Larry Bird, MJ, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton. But looking at a home run too long is demonized in baseball, especially when it's a brown guy doing it. Some dudes are a little too in love with the idea of enforcing antiquated, sterile, unwritten, unclear, and at times downright stupid rules.

Yes, it's amazing, it's almost like different sports appear to completely different demographics, truly a stunning revelation. Basketball naturally appeals to Basketball Americans who like to do a little crip walk shuffle to celebrate, and that's also the audience it attracts. Baseball was a white sport, and like most of those they adhered to unwritten rules of conduct on behaving in a restrained and humble manner and not being overly in your face with their celebrations. That's how it started, that's what the fans used to expect. Now you got an influx of a foreign Latino culture which either doesn't know the rules or simply doesn't care about them and wants to do little mariachi intermissions after homeruns. Is it really not clear why the players are pissed off about their sport becoming a circus?

 

[Kickb]

Ha, I had no idea of these rules. Those players can fuck off. If I hit a homerun then Im going to watch it.