So it begins - US military lowering standards for women

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Screwston

 
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This is kind of interesting. A transcript from a PBS documentary or show, not sure. I wish I could find the full episode. It's not on youtube or vimeo.

Women Warriors in the Military
SUMMARY
Are women in the military more vulnerable in combat situations? Betty Ann Bowser reports on the role of women in the Iraq War and in previous conflicts.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june03/women_4-17.html



Here's a letter I found from a retired Air Force girrrl to the CEO of PBS because of that documentary.
To focus practically the whole issue on physical strength, outdated stories, blatant distortions of fact - and use no data on the accomplishments and achievements of miltary women was truly disgusting.

Not one mention of the Rand Study that concludes that, when a woman is correctly. trained, she can be as tough as any man.
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/ltrpbs.html
 

Hannibal

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The report by the US Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine at Natick, MA was led by senior analyst Everett Harman. "You don't need testosterone to get strong," Harman concluded.

Not one mention of the Ministry of Defence in Great Britain conducting the same kind of study. The Sunday Times of London reported that "by using new methods of physical training, women can be built up to the same levels of physical fitness as men of the same size and build." The British article also notes that "contrary to the view of many traditionalists, the operational performance of groups improve greatly if both sexes are involved."

Lol at "you don't need testosterone to get strong".

Maybe that's why the fastest women in the world are beaten by 14 year old boys.

If these new methods of physical training are so effective (and new?), maybe they should tell me what exactly they do.

What this article fails to recognize is that it takes training for these women to be just as strong as detrained men. What do these women bring to the military that a man couldn't? Nothing, that's what. Maybe we should put children in the military, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that they can get strong, too.
 

Volk

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And this is how my both my countries armies, Spetznaz and Colombian Anti-Guerrilla squadron, become the best in the world, along with the Israeli. Sorry America, it's been unfortunate. We thank you for the training.
 

Hotwheels

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So let me get this straight....

You thank us for the training that makes you better than us?

Spetnaz and Sheyatet are pretty good.

Not trained by the US.

The only thing good in Columbia is the tail....
 

Walderschmidt

 
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Hotwheels said:
So let me get this straight....

You thank us for the training that makes you better than us?

Spetnaz and Sheyatet are pretty good.

Not trained by the US.

The only thing good in Columbia is the tail....

I think he was thanking the US for putting women in the military. The "training" those two armies would have received is fighting the US, officially or by proxy, without any women in combat play.

Now both those armies (Spetznaz and Sheyatet) are prepared to fight an all male, well prepared US army. What they will get is the PMS brigade.

Wald
 

Teedub

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Hotwheels said:
Teedub said:
Yeah the woman KOing men in the movies thing always raises a smile from me.

I refuse to watch movies with a "heroine" as they are too far from reality to be even mildly believable.

I would agree, however Terminator 2 is my favourite movie of all time...and Sarah Connor is believable as a heroine. Its fucking rare though and most men would still easily defeat her in a physical confrontation.

Bloody hell, I feel like a geek arguing over which superhero's power would defeat anothers!
 

Blaster

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Hannibal said:
What this article fails to recognize is that it takes training for these women to be just as strong as detrained men.

Not just that, but detrained men "of the same size and build." How many women and men share the same size and build? To say it the other way around, the assertion is that women can compete with men who are built like women. (And even that may not be true but if it is... it's saying essentially nothing meaningful)

What do these women bring to the military that a man couldn't? Nothing, that's what. Maybe we should put children in the military, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that they can get strong, too.

It's not a zero-sum game. You can't assume that for every female volunteer there was a male available who could have brought just as much and more. There is plenty of evidence of children in combat throughout history and they were there for the same reason.
 

Aliblahba

 
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I like to think of it as America lowering its standard and still kick anyone's ass. How is foreign militaries gonna feel getting beat down by a bunch of bitches?
 

Hades

 
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I used to play a lot of rugby before too much schoolwork got in the way, and it always cracked me up to watch women's rugby, especially after a men's rugby game. It was like watching regular rugby in slow motion. The girls would make "tackles" that were basically two-handed touch, a girl would feel somebody grab her leg and she'd drop to avoid getting injured. Even so, there were probably twice as many knee and back injuries on the girl's team compared to the dudes. No matter what we tried, the girls just wouldn't go into the gym as often as the dudes either, and once they'd go, they'd never squat or deadlift or overhead press, just play around on the Bosu balls and do crunches.

We once had a guy latch onto a girl's team because they were short a player and he ran circles around both girl's teams. He wasn't anywhere near our best guy either, probably our third-fastest back, just a skinny bastard who never made any tackles to my knowledge, and he's just blitz right through their best forwards and score without ever being close to tackled. He gave one of the girls a minor concussion with a stiff arm. The dudes and I would drink beer on the sidelines and yell hilarious shit like "Go easy on them, Mark, they've never been with a man!" That was also the first time I'd seen one guy go up against four girls in a rolling maul and just annihilate them without much assistance. We asked him later how it was, he said it was like tackling and/or getting tackled by clouds.

We all knew that if you threw in a men's lock (my position) or flanker into the women's rugby game that there'd be like twenty injuries on the enemy team and no defense they put up outside of getting kicked in the nads would slow us down much. Speaking of which, one of the girls tried because they were getting mad at being rolled.

That's why I can't take women in the military seriously. I'm a pretty average forward on the men's rugby team, and if I can destroy dudes during practice who run trains on entire women's rugby teams, the whole "women can be just as tough as men" argument just seems like bullshit to me. Maybe in Hollywood, but not in real life.
 

shimatta

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you only need to do 3 pull ups to become a marine?? I thought these guys were the best in the world.

yeah, I had to read that one a couple of times. Three is all you need? Are they recruiting for the marines or for rent-a-cop at the parking lot?
 
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