Social Impacts & Russophobia as a Result of the Russian-Ukrainian War

[infowarrior1]

Just finished reading @armas_aallontie's thread; he clearly hates Russia. Also, he's obviously a "globalist" supporter.

I follow the Finnish account:
twitter.com/SamaBlepp

But he shares the views of the typical Finnish view of Russia which is still negative. Both the Right and Left Wing of Finland seem unified in that regard.

In addition the Finns seem to conceive of their rivalry with Russia in more Racial Terms. They don't care too much about ideology when it comes to them.

But in a similar way to how many White Americans relate to African Americans.

 

[2 Right Hands]

I follow the Finnish account:
twitter.com/SamaBlepp

But he shares the views of the typical Finnish view of Russia which is still negative. Both the Right and Left Wing of Finland seem unified in that regard.

In addition the Finns seem to conceive of their rivalry with Russia in more Racial Terms. They don't care too much about ideology when it comes to them.

But in a similar way to how many White Americans relate to African Americans.

This should be the key to understanding why people fight for their countries. Some have this idealistic view that Ukrainians should just drop their guns and let Russians come in because, after all, Russia is this shining beacon of anti-globohomo and they will liberate poor Ukies from LGBT+. Like there is no nuance there whatsoever.
What about the notion of nationalism that most of us here are so in favour of? An average Ukrainian, Finn or Pole doesn't care about ideology that much - or maybe - they care a lot more about defending their homeland when it gets invaded. When they pick up their guns to shoot the enemy, they don't calculate in their heads who is more pro-homo agenda. It's their country. And if their country is broken (like Ukraine is) they should be the ones that fix it and not some external liberator. Especially if the liberation is achieved by means of bombs and bullets.

There is also a huge historical factor that many seem to ignore. Certain events from the past become mythos forming or cementing nations. Finns defeated Russians in the Winter War, Poles beat them in the Polish-Soviet War and both became something more than just military victories. Ukrainians have their own national mythos (which negatively involve both Russians and Poles). All three nations have also been under Russian boot in the past. And while Russia might have gone through different forms of governments over the last two centuries the fact is that whether they waived White or Red banner it's still an empire whose geopolitical goals remained the same. Those aren't memories that easily get erased from people's minds.

I am not saying "Russia bad!", I am simply saying "Russia big!". Empires gonna empire, it's been like this throughout the history. Putin isn't fighting the West because they are globo-homo, he's fighting them because they're trying to dominate and erase Russia in its current form.

I like what one of Polish politicians, accused of being pro-Russia, said: "Oh, my love for Russia grows exponentially the further they are from our borders".

 

[Mountaineer]

Only warmongers are implying that Russia could be after Poland. No such plan exists. Not if we keep to ourselves but the Poles are so blinded by Russophobia that they will make it a self-fulfilling prophesy. They will be used as cannon fodder by the west without even knowing it and by their wish. Instead of treating Russia like a rotten egg Poland will monkey-rage and make the egg spill all over. They have not learned a thing.

 

[2 Right Hands]

Only warmongers are implying that Russia could be after Poland. No such plan exists. Not if we keep to ourselves but the Poles are so blinded by Russophobia that they will make it a self-fulfilling prophesy. They will be used as cannon fodder by the west without even knowing it. Instead of treating Russia like a rotten egg Poland will monkey-rage and make the egg spill all over. They have not learned a thing.

Yes, this is ridiculous and, as always, some Polish politicians are more fervent in their anti-Russian rhetoric than NATO/West leaders. Just so they can get a pat on the back like the good lap-dogs they are. All our elites have done for the last 30 years was to antagonise Russia and Belarus for no good reason and kiss Ukraine's ass when they've been often openly hostile towards us.

The old saying is still well and alive: "some Poles hate Russia more than they love Poland".

 

[bucky]

Yes, this is ridiculous and, as always, some Polish politicians are more fervent in their anti-Russian rhetoric than NATO/West leaders. Just so they can get a pat on the back like the good lap-dogs they are. All our elites have done for the last 30 years was to antagonise Russia and Belarus for no good reason and kiss Ukraine's ass when they've been often openly hostile towards us.

The old saying is still well and alive: "some Poles hate Russia more than they love Poland".

A month ago I thought anyone who claimed Russia would move troops into any part of Ukraine but Donbas was either ignorant or crazy. I still highly doubt Russia plans on attacking or trying to occupy Poland, but I no longer think it's impossible. Same goes for western Ukraine. I used to think the odds of Russia attempting to occupy anything west of, say, Zhytomyr Oblast were pretty much zero. Now, I don't know. We're currently living in the most dangerous moment in human history and not much seems off the table at this point.

Someone here on RVF, I think maybe @get2choppaaa, recently posted the idea that Zelenskyy is allowing the war to drag on until the Russians manage to kill off Azoz, Right Sector, and the rest of the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and neo-Nazis, and that he will then accept Russia's base terms of recognizing Crimea as Russian, the DPR and LPR as independent, and formally promising to not join NATO. Then the Russians will withdraw from the rest of Ukraine and the war will end. This makes sense to me, because with the most fanatic Ukrainian nationalists gone, Zelenskyy will likely be able to use the SBU and possibly the military to suppress any further dissent and stay in power. The western MSM will, of course, turn a blind eye.

I hope this is correct because it seems like the most realistic outcome that doesn't lead to the war spilling outside the borders of Ukraine, and I think once that happens there's more than a 50% chance of it eventually going nuclear.

 

[Elipe]

And if their country is broken (like Ukraine is) they should be the ones that fix it and not some external liberator. Especially if the liberation is achieved by means of bombs and bullets.

The trouble is, if globohomo is to be overthrown, it most likely would not involve a majority of any population as an emergent movement. In fact, most revolutions that succeed usually succeed because of a small minority that sides with a foreign power. That's why the CIA loves their color revolutions. None of those color revolutions would have succeeded without the help of billions if not trillions of dollars of assets being funneled to a "resistance" movement.

And as for your comment on supporting the principle of nationalism: The nationalistic thing to do in Ukraine would be to overthrow Zelensky because he is not an ethnic Ukrainian. Nationalism means Ukraine should be ruled by Ukrainians. America by actual Americans. Poland by actual Polish. A shared blood to share skin in the game. Therefore, the nationalist position should be to hope that Russia liberates Ukraine from the globohomo world order and establishes a new government there that will be composed of ethnic Ukrainians and Russians with ethnic self-interest.

This kind of calculation gets more complicated because with globohomo, once you're under its boot, you're not getting out without help. Potentially, help of the sort that is only possible with God.

 

[Argus101]

World Athletics Council Bans "All Russian & Belarusian Athletes" From International Sporting Events | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

World Athletics Council President Sebastian Coe, quoted in the article above, is the same guy who participated as a runner from Great Britain
in the 1980 Moscow Summer Olympics even though the United States and 64 other countries, including Canada, West Germany,
China and Japan, boycotted the Games to protest against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Coe won a gold medal in the 1500 metres. (See
picture below of the race.) Many athletes from the U.S. and other countries are still bitter about missing their best chance to win medals in
the Olympics. Coe is a hypocrite!

 

[2 Right Hands]

The trouble is, if globohomo is to be overthrown, it most likely would not involve a majority of any population as an emergent movement. In fact, most revolutions that succeed usually succeed because of a small minority that sides with a foreign power. That's why the CIA loves their color revolutions. None of those color revolutions would have succeeded without the help of billions if not trillions of dollars of assets being funneled to a "resistance" movement.

And as for your comment on supporting the principle of nationalism: The nationalistic thing to do in Ukraine would be to overthrow Zelensky because he is not an ethnic Ukrainian. Nationalism means Ukraine should be ruled by Ukrainians. America by actual Americans. Poland by actual Polish. A shared blood to share skin in the game. Therefore, the nationalist position should be to hope that Russia liberates Ukraine from the globohomo world order and establishes a new government there that will be composed of ethnic Ukrainians and Russians with ethnic self-interest.

This kind of calculation gets more complicated because with globohomo, once you're under its boot, you're not getting out without help. Potentially, help of the sort that is only possible with God.

But you're again assuming that average Ukrainian Joe's top priority is to defend their country from globohomo. It's not. First of all, claiming that Russia invaded Ukraine so they can liberate them from globohomo is a huge simplification of the current situation. Secondly, I find it weird to put so much emphasis on Ukraine's supposed globohomo problem when they're not even close when it comes to being infiltrated by LGBT-agenda compared to USA, UK, Germany, France, etc. They are surely heading in the wrong direction but Ukrainians are still way more traditional than the Westerners.
So while agree that the nationalist position should be to strive for removal of globohomo I don't understand why they would want this to be done by Russian hand rather their own? Are you waiting for Russia to invade USA so you can get rid of your (((LGBT))) masters? And if Russians did invade, could you honestly say you would cheer the invaders or even join their side?

 

[DanielH]

I don't understand why they would want this to be done by Russian hand rather their own?

Ukraine is and was occupied. Last time they tried to revolt it was coopted by the West, nazis, and Soros money. They can't or won't solve the issue on their own. When people in Mariupol tried to stand up against the nazis, they were massacred. They're a small fish in a big pond and they're going to get thrown one way or another no matter what unless they hitch themselves to a stronger power. They - or their Jewish and international occupiers -chose GloHo over Russia. No country ever agrees to just a little bit of GloHo. It's all or nothing, it just takes a generation to fully implement.

 

[Elipe]

But you're again assuming that average Ukrainian Joe's top priority is to defend their country from globohomo.

No, I'm not. In fact, my post stated that I was not making that assumption. That's why I said that a proper revolution is rarely done with the majority. The average Ukrainian Joe is a member of that majority that will not lift a finger to improve the condition of their nation, but will simply act in reflex. To put it bluntly, the average Ukrainian Joe like every other average Joe in the world is just along for the ride. It's expecting too much from the average Joe to expect him to even want to put his hands on the steering wheel.

Which is why when it comes to liberation and revolution, someone else has to put his hands on the steering wheel. Average Ukrainian Joe will fall in line because again, his role is to merely be along for the ride.

So while agree that the nationalist position should be to strive for removal of globohomo I don't understand why they would want this to be done by Russian hand rather their own? Are you waiting for Russia to invade USA so you can get rid of your (((LGBT))) masters? And if Russians did invade, could you honestly say you would cheer the invaders or even join their side?

Those are awfully loaded questions that glow pretty hard. But I will give you this answer: I will do what is patriotic and right for America. My loyalty is not to Russia, but to God and the people of the American nation that stands under God.

 

[2 Right Hands]

Ukraine is and was occupied. Last time they tried to revolt it was coopted by the West, nazis, and Soros money. They can't or won't solve the issue on their own. When people in Mariupol tried to stand up against the nazis, they were massacred. They're a small fish in a big pond and they're going to get thrown one way or another no matter what unless they hitch themselves to a stronger power. They - or their Jewish and international occupiers -chose GloHo over Russia. No country ever agrees to just a little bit of GloHo. It's all or nothing, it just takes a generation to fully implement.

Oh, absolutely. They were never free or independent. But isn't Russia partially to blame for this too? Ukraine was de facto under Russian control for almost 20 years but they cared very little about Ukrainians and let their oligarchs impoverish the masses to such extend that setting up a revolution by the West was a lot easier that it should have been. So now, out of a sudden, they started to care so much that their need tanks and rockets to convince Ukrainians?
Yes, Russian rule is probably better for the Ukrainians than the Western globohomo's. But let's not pretend that Russia is their saviour or that it's so bizarre that average Ukrainian Yvan is not jumping in joy at the sight of Russian soldiers.

 

[2 Right Hands]

No, I'm not. In fact, my post stated that I was not making that assumption. That's why I said that a proper revolution is rarely done with the majority. The average Ukrainian Joe is a member of that majority that will not lift a finger to improve the condition of their nation, but will simply act in reflex. To put it bluntly, the average Ukrainian Joe like every other average Joe in the world is just along for the ride. It's expecting too much from the average Joe to expect him to even want to put his hands on the steering wheel.

Which is why when it comes to liberation and revolution, someone else has to put his hands on the steering wheel. Average Ukrainian Joe will fall in line because again, his role is to merely be along for the ride.


Those are awfully loaded questions that glow pretty hard. But I will give you this answer: I will do what is patriotic and right for America. My loyalty is not to Russia, but to God and the people of the American nation that stands under God.

And Ukrainian nationalists, who are part of the elite, bet on the wrong horse, clearly. Maybe they were too short-sighted and didn't realise they're accepting globohomo overlords or maybe they hated Russia so much that it clouded their judgement. Or probably both and some other reasons too. But I still understand why they fight just like you would fight for USA, no matter how globohomo'ed it is. And their loyalty is to Ukraine. That's all I am trying to say.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Ukraine is and was occupied. Last time they tried to revolt it was coopted by the West, nazis, and Soros money. They can't or won't solve the issue on their own. When people in Mariupol tried to stand up against the nazis, they were massacred. They're a small fish in a big pond and they're going to get thrown one way or another no matter what unless they hitch themselves to a stronger power. They - or their Jewish and international occupiers -chose GloHo over Russia. No country ever agrees to just a little bit of GloHo. It's all or nothing, it just takes a generation to fully implement.

It breaks my heart to see people dying in full conviction they're protecting something worthy, whereas they're protecting the agenda that was designed to destroy them in the first place.

 

[Argus101]

Are the Founding Fathers of the United States hypocrites for soliciting the military aid of the French monarchy so they could overthrow
monarchial rule from Great Britain and set up their own Republican government that abolished all titles of nobility? Sometimes you have to
take your friends where you can get them.

 

[infowarrior1]

It breaks my heart to see people dying in full conviction they're protecting something worthy, whereas they're protecting the agenda that was designed to destroy them in the first place.

How many people dying in the world wars had full conviction that they were doing it for their countries but in reality died for Globohomo. The Kingdom of God it seems is the only true God ordained way to oppose this.

Wheat and Tare growing up together until harvest time.

 

[TheOnceAndFutureKing]

But you're again assuming that average Ukrainian Joe's top priority is to defend their country from globohomo. It's not. First of all, claiming that Russia invaded Ukraine so they can liberate them from globohomo is a huge simplification of the current situation. Secondly, I find it weird to put so much emphasis on Ukraine's supposed globohomo problem when they're not even close when it comes to being infiltrated by LGBT-agenda compared to USA, UK, Germany, France, etc. They are surely heading in the wrong direction but Ukrainians are still way more traditional than the Westerners.
So while agree that the nationalist position should be to strive for removal of globohomo I don't understand why they would want this to be done by Russian hand rather their own? Are you waiting for Russia to invade USA so you can get rid of your (((LGBT))) masters? And if Russians did invade, could you honestly say you would cheer the invaders or even join their side?

as a Canadian with a leader who criminalized "islamophobia" as well as "transphobia" along with enacting martial law against a recent worker's strike, I would welcome a Russian invasion.

 

[Going strong]

But I still understand why they fight just like you would fight for USA, no matter how globohomo'ed it is.

It all depends on the level of degeneracy/Globohomo of your original country.

If your original/native country starts to remove statues of great men, to rename streets for woke reasons, set up Eurovision contests and organize Gay Prides, and jail Truckers or Yellow Vests, then you'd be a fool to fight for such a crumbling country. Because, you actually don't have this country anymore, it belongs to the woke crowd and Gay government, you've been cancelled.

Would you give your life for billionaire-weirdo Zelensky and his gay kosher piano? For the atheist Western European leaders of whom 60% are gay and/or childless? For Sleepy Joe and illiterate Kamala? You should not, because all these Globalist people despise you and are actively cancelling all of us. You owe them zero drop of your blood, fight not for them.

 

[infowarrior1]

It all depends on the level of degeneracy/Globohomo of your original country.

If your original/native country starts to remove statues of great men, to rename streets for woke reasons, set up Eurovision contests and organize Gay Prides, and jail Truckers or Yellow Vests, then you'd be a fool to fight for such a crumbling country. Because, you actually don't have this country anymore, it belongs to the woke crowd and Gay government, you've been cancelled.

Would you give your life for billionaire-weirdo Zelensky and his gay kosher piano? For the atheist Western European leaders of whom 60% are gay and/or childless? For Sleepy Joe and illiterate Kamala? You should not, because all these Globalist people despise you and are actively cancelling all of us. You owe them zero drop of your blood, fight not for them.

That's the mistake that those who don't realize ideology is indication of spiritual forces acting through the Nations. When people get too stuck on simply ethnicity like the Finns and many Ukrainians do.

I think the only ultimate Nationalism is that of Christ as King and his Kingdom. Seek first the Kingdom and everything else will be added to them. And also do it God's way. Not our way.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

How many people dying in the world wars had full conviction that they were doing it for their countries but in reality died for Globohomo. The Kingdom of God it seems is the only true God ordained way to oppose this.

Wheat and Tare growing up together until harvest time.

This is what I come to the conclusion also. There's truly no worldly cause worth investing in heavily, whether it's your country, or something else, eventually the world is going where it is meant to go by God. We can only fix ourselves and beam that towards our surroundings, so that the light can cross further into the hearts of other people.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]